STOP the socialisms!

reply to post by Divinorumus


On the surface this sounds like the right idea! I don't know exactly how this would all work out, but, on the Topic of Socalism...

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International
Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International
Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now
operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers.
With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the
receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the
United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an
established SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST order under a new governor for America. This
act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office
of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International
Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part:
"The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing
the United States."

www.apfn.net...

Now...let's see how this is interpreted...



[edit on 2/15/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Originally posted by intrepid
I put it to you. GO WITH THE GREED. Let us know how that works out.

I did, I have, and it's working out just fine. Greed allowed me to retire 13 years ago at 39 years old. If others did the same, they could say the same.

Seriously, it's not the end of the world when someone looses their job, regardless how long they worked for another. It's not the end of the world if someone looses their job and can't find another, as they can simply start working for themselves (unless they are the type of person they would not hire, ha). I don't understand why so many fail to see this option.

Everybody has more reasons now to welcome

The Venus Project !

Originally posted by David9176
We're screwed. There is no way around it. We are toast. Getting more jobs but devaluing the dollar is horrible for everyone.

IDK. You may be looking at this from just an American perspective. Traditionally we Canadians benefited from a lower dollar. Even last year when the Canuck Buck was worth more than the Sawbuck, it hurt our manufacturing sector. A lower dollar isn't the worst thing.

You might make money against the Yuan. That currency is coming up. No denying that. It's time to innovate. Recreate. Start selling THEM stuff. What though?

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Well that's the thing...if you are for government intervention on this issue you are really for China's intervention as they are the ones who are really funding this...if not...then it's printed and that's bad for everyone.

When one of the leaders of China (don't remember the name) is saying, "Yeah, we will buy your treasuries even though we know you are going to devalue the dollar." He then basically said they are forced to do it and they hate us for it.

I understand where you are coming from but the reality is different. Two different ideologies of the public will in turn implode the country is what i'm perceiving from your post.

After this thing is signed, the stock market is going to tank. It may not be immediately but it's going to happen because people are scared of what spending like this will do to the value of the dollar which is our REAL life blood, not jobs as you've stated in other posts...imo.

We're screwed. There is no way around it. We are toast. Getting more jobs but devaluing the dollar is horrible for everyone.

The old saying, "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" will become the truth for this country.

It's sad man. It's a damn travesty and I hope to hell that i'm wrong.

HELL man, I don't know what the solution should be...

Like I said before, ECON 101

if supply is down - fix demand

if demand is down - fix supply

its a very simple equation obviously - SO how do you increase the supply of money

if it is STUPID to INVEST?

OR

IF it is stupid to go to the BROKE ASS GOV?

IF you consider - last year, in nine months we lost 1.5 million jobs

Now, we have lost the same amount in three months...

That indicates a 300% increase - I think...

Anyhow if that rate continues to speed up at that rate.

well, lets just say that is not good...

I believe time is of the essence, considering the speeding up of this thing.

IS the best solution GOV? I doubt it....

BUT, what other solutions are available, that can stop the bleeding of jobs now?

reply to post by mental modulator


Socialism is not your problem, the state and the corporations working together, that's fascism.

Originally posted by pai mei
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Socialism is not your problem, the state and the corporations working together, that's fascism.

Ya well this whole thing is a problem...

Who will save us?

reply to post by mental modulator

BUT, what other solutions are available, that can stop the bleeding of jobs now?

I don't think there is a real solution. We are going down regardless. I just feel that the more that the government tries to stop it only makes it worse. This country has gone through recessions (changed from depressions, made a typo)before and it has came out of them without doing much. We already know that spending can't be the answer when we've already overloaded on it the last 8 years with tax cuts, pork, and earmarks which is exactly what the "stimulus package" is.

The only way to stop the bleeding is to stop causing the bleeding. Let the system fix what was wrong.

We were bloated up too big as an economy. It HAS to come back down. We lived really high for awhile and the ship has to right itself. It was all due to overspending by government and some of the public which ballooned up.

This is another example of the problem which applies to the housing crisis.

People were allowed to buy homes they knew they couldn't possibly afford to keep. This caused a bubble.

We are making the same mistake with our government. We are giving them the reigns to do something we know they cannot afford to do. What do you think the end result will be?

I'm not looking at jobs, i'm looking beyond jobs. Say we get the supposedly "4 million jobs" this may create. Then what? Where will we be after inflation? What other spending bills are in the works? How many others jobs will have been lost in this time?

Our debt will be higher than ever and the dollar will be worth far less if not worthless. Then what?

We are committing suicide with all the spending.

What if nothing is done? What if the government said..ok..we have to stop or at least offset the spending with cuts elsewhere?

Then we hope for recovery. Will it work? hell i don't know but I'd like to think we would be better off with out destroying our currency.




[edit on 15-2-2009 by David9176]

Now something to keep a Eye on is the G-7 meeting going on right now & a G-20 meeting coming up...

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
Now something to keep a Eye on is the G-7 meeting going on right now & a G-20 meeting coming up...

GREAT... well on another tangent - keeping the "BAILOUTS" to each individual company
COULD be a plus... Of corse letting the WORLD decide the corse of action is WELL "WORLDISM"... or NWO i suppose

Then again the whole thing might be a ploy that intentionally fails...

I'm glad I'm not to content to begin with, then I won't be as upset (on my upside).

reply to post by David9176


WELL all these social systems - SS - unemployment insurance - FDIC and the like were constructed in response to the depression.

There is a difference in this case - as opposed to THE GREAT DEPRESSION

In that case there was PRIVATE consolidation and market manipulation by a few individuals.

There was plenty of CAPITAL, but the MOST pwoerful players INTENTIONALLY with held capital, in order to SWOOP in and buy on pennies on the dollar later on.



WWII was the main event that lifted the world out of the funk.

In this case there is dysfunction at both the top and the bottom.

THIS is much more tricky IMO.

PEOPLE lose jobs

BILLS don't get paid

BILLS don't get paid

PEOPLE lose jobs

NORMALLY MONEY take a long time to flow downwards to the bottom

Where it is ultimatly spent by the "normal" folks to PAY BILLS of all sorts.

THE paying of those bills, means a very quick recapitalisation by the top.

IN this case the capital at the top slowly exits or is sat upon...

I am interested, what would an indy like yourself keep and leave, in regards to GOV spending?










[edit on 15-2-2009 by mental modulator]

Originally posted by mental modulator

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
Now something to keep a Eye on is the G-7 meeting going on right now & a G-20 meeting coming up...

GREAT... well on another tangent - keeping the "BAILOUTS" to each individual company
COULD be a plus... Of corse letting the WORLD decide the corse of action is WELL "WORLDISM"

... or NWO i suppose

Then again the whole thing might be a ploy that intentionally fails...

I'm glad I'm not to content to begin with, then I won't be as upset (on my upside).

So which one are you in the Avatar?

reply to post by mental modulator

PEOPLE lose jobs BILLS don't get paid BILLS don't get paid PEOPLE lose jobs

I understand this. It's a downward spiral. But it has stopped before without much government intervention. This country has gone through countless recessions. It's natural to how our economy works. One could make the argument that many of the things done during the great depression prolonged it.

NORMALLY MONEY take a long time to flow downwards to the bottom

Where do you think all of the debt is going to go that's at the top right now? Yep, the same place...the bottom.

I am interested, what would an indy like yourself keep and leave, in regards to GOV spending?

Unemployment funding is a necessity. People can't be left to starve. They have to have some type of income. Also, it shouldn't be taxed. I have no idea why it's taxed, it's one of the most ridiculous things I have seen. I sat on unemployment for 2 months after losing a job to outsourcing and couldn't believe I had to pay taxes on it. Isn't that WHY I pay taxes?

Social Security? I don't know what the hell we should do with this. It has to change but it's such a mess i wouldn't even know where to begin. For now it has to stay but it's going to fail eventually. It will be known as the greatest ponzi scheme of all time when it fails.

I'd pull ALL troops home from everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I'd pull back the entire "American Empire". This is absolutely necessary in terms of cutting costs. It would certainly piss off many people though in other countries, but then again, most hate us anyway. We shouldn't be the world police. I'd put troops on the Mexican border as soon they will be needed.

I'd keep funding for defense, but cut off funding for nukes. Having "one" nuke is enough of a threat to anyone. We don't need thousands.

Agencies like the Board of Education...GONE. Out the window. Our education system sucks anyway. I'm almost more akin to home schooling than anything. Education changes the opinions of the public and in turn guides the world.

I'd cut just about everything that i didn't feel was vital. Would I make tax cuts? Eventually i would scrap the entire income tax. It couldn't be done right away, but i would do it eventually. Imagine all of the money that would be put back into people's pockets. I know people complain about business having all the money at the top but why is the government having it any better?

Let people do what they want with their money. Government policies have leeched the money from the people and gotten us to where we are today, whether it be by taxes, or inflation.

I'd do whatever we could to live within our means, not beyond it.

This will never happen with the path we are on.

Originally posted by Hx3_1963

Originally posted by mental modulator

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
Now something to keep a Eye on is the G-7 meeting going on right now & a G-20 meeting coming up...

GREAT... well on another tangent - keeping the "BAILOUTS" to each individual company
COULD be a plus... Of corse letting the WORLD decide the corse of action is WELL "WORLDISM"

... or NWO i suppose

Then again the whole thing might be a ploy that intentionally fails...

I'm glad I'm not to content to begin with, then I won't be as upset (on my upside).

So which one are you in the Avatar?

Many

x

many

[edit on 15-2-2009 by mental modulator]

Lol, and I just got done watching Wall Street...

Socialism is not what we have here. This is corporatism. Which is neither socialism nor capitalism at all.

Originally posted by aNdReSk

Originally posted by mental modulator
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

 

YOU sound like your giving up on AMERICA!

You want to halt the socialism?


INVEST in PRIVATE HEALTHCARE!

Yeah invest in private health care so you wont be left out of the hospital if you can't afford to pay the bill.

Dude do you support the current American health system?

or maybe you are a plastic surgeon.

Let's say for some reason you can't afford to maintain paying for your health insurance and you have a real health problem, do you wanna be left behind? just because you cant pay for it?

Seriously, if you like the current health system, u should use it to pay a visit to a doctor, you might need Psychiatric Care

HEY if you can't afford healthcare its not my fault JACK, your just preaching socialist crack!

GET a job, get two if you can't afford it!

and if your sick go to doctor...

( jump to line 1 )

REPEAT for fifty years.....

Originally posted by SpencerJ
Lol, and I just got done watching Wall Street...

Socialism is not what we have here. This is corporatism. Which is neither socialism nor capitalism at all.

OH YA?

Prove it!

, HEY and pull my thumb while your at it



( have fun with it )

[edit on 15-2-2009 by mental modulator]

MM you have inspired me to do my share to stop socialism dead in it's tracks.

I'm going to crack open my kids piggy banks and invest in naked shorts at Victorias Secret. I really don't understand how you can be naked while wearing shorts but it sounds like a trendsetter to me and I'm gonna RIDE THAT WAVE BABY. I may even wear my naked shorts!

reply to post by sadisticwoman


First off, how old are you? You must be young because you have no idea how the world works. You want to stop people from not only making as much money as they can, but also from buying things with their money?

Do you want all people to live in communes and take care of each other like hippies? Wont happen,ever.

So if I make more than you, I should suffer, the more money I make, the more I donate to charity of my own free will.

Originally posted by intrepidYou might make money against the Yuan. That currency is coming up. No denying that. It's time to innovate. Recreate. Start selling THEM stuff. What though?

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