What is with all the "Christianity-Debunking" attempt threads?

Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Secondly...Like Jeremiah, It seems to me, that Jesus Christ was born not of the will of man or woman. Jeremiah was predestined as was Jesus Christ.

"Jeremiah 1:5

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

Jeremiah didn't know Jack, let alone Jesus.
Jeremiah served the gOd of Israel.
The gOd of Israel is the god-of-this-world.
The god of this world is the "prince of this world".
The prince of this world is man's maker.
Man's maker "forms" man.
Man's maker is the author of wombs and human birth.

Jesus served GoD.
Jesus served the Son of God.
Jesus served for the salvation of the Son of God.
Jesus tells us how the world begins and ends.
It begins with an attack on the truth.
It ends with the revival of the truth.
It begins with *sleep*.
It ends with *awake*.
It begins with death.
It ends with Life.

If Jeremiah knew Jack about Jesus, he would have lived, and not died.

Christ!

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Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Originally posted by Christ!
Somewhere along the line, you have judged Christ to be human, and so, you are human.

Your assumption is merely an assumption. Not fortified or informed by fact or Truth. It is merely speculation.

The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want...

Peace
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The world begins with an attack on truth.
The world is a defense against the truth.
There is no truth in the world.
There is no "proof" for truth in the world.
The world "proves" the truth is dead.

The world does not "inform" me of this.
"The Truth" informs me of this.
The "Holy Spirit" informs me of this.
Jesus informs me of this.

Your genesis is not of the world any more than my genesis is of the world.
Our true genesis is of *Our Father*.
Our home is the Kingdom of GoD.
We have been given all power.
We have used power to make "heaven and earth".
Thus, we have used power to make a lie.
But who is decieved?
None but ourselves!
I have crucified you and you have crucified me...in many many ways.

The gOd of "heaven and earth" is but a toy we play with.
The toy attacks us.
It's "fun"...unconscious fantasy.
When we are "weary" of "fun", we will return home.
Returning home, we come to Christ!

Christ!

Originally posted by Christ!

Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by Christ!

 

Wow, I think the misstep here is yours. You've over complicated the scripture and have turned it into some sort of New Age belief or something.

The gospel is simple, Jesus died for our sins, so we can be redeemed and found without sin in the eyes of GOD. He rose again, defeated SIN and DEATH, so those who believe in him, will have everlasting life.

Any more or less isn't necessary. The more you speak of the scripture in the way you believe only confuses and turns people away from Christ.

God Bless

Its simple:
The truth died that lies may live.
The truth was "slain before the foundation of the world".
The truth was "sacrificed" that "the world" may thrive and survive.
So, the world is a "lie" from "in the beginning".
Everything in the world is a lie.
Everything that happens in the world is a lie.
"The truth" came into the world that lies may "die" and truth may "live".

The way you interpret scripture preserves the lies that sacrifice the truth.
If you are a "person", or, if you are a "son of man", you are a liar, self-decieved from the beginning of the world.
That's all you need to know.

Christ!



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I don't interpret scripture, scripture interprets scripture.

Ge:40:8: And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

OK prove yourself with scripture then. For every thing you say I want you to prove yourself with scripture.

Eph:5:13: But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

If you can't simply and straightforwardly prove what you are saying with scripture, then it's false doctrine.

Or are you claiming that only you know the truth?

Please enlighten us...

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Originally posted by B.A.C.
I don't interpret scripture, scripture interprets scripture.

Ge:40:8: And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

You contradict yourself here.
Joseph said, "do not interpretations belong to God?"
But you say, "scripture interprets scripture".
So, you are caught in logic loop...circular reasoning.
Perhaps you believe that scripture is God?
Now you are really caught in a trap of your own making.

Christ!



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Originally posted by B.A.C.
OK prove yourself with scripture then. For every thing you say I want you to prove yourself with scripture.
Eph:5:13: But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
If you can't simply and straightforwardly prove what you are saying with scripture, then it's false doctrine.
Or are you claiming that only you know the truth?
Please enlighten us...
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The scriptures are an argument.
The argument is set up to favor gOd...not *Our Father*...nor his Son.
If you intend to confine my arguments to your arguments, then I cannot enlighten you.
You have set yourself up to win your own argument.
My arguments are "written upon your heart", so-to-speak.
You "hear" them *because* they are in your "heart".
Do not harden your heart.
My arguments were stated by Jesus before there ever was such a thing as anything called the "New Testament".
Before Jesus stated these arguments, there was no "New Testament".
The "New Testament" grew out of interpretations of Jesus arguments.
Those interpretations come from one of two teachers.
I speak for the Teacher of GoD.
They speak for the teacher "gOd".
Speaking for gOd, they interpret "privately" [ie. fantasy, wishful thinking].
Speaking for GoD, I interpret publicly...for all...universal truth.
Their interpretation saves themselves for their self-concepts.
My interpretation saves the Son of God from his self-concepts.
They are not willing to "lay down their lives", so-to-speak.
Jesus laid down "Jesus", and lived as the Son of God.
And in this way, he showed the greatest love of all.

Christ!





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Originally posted by B.A.C.
OK prove yourself with scripture then. For every thing you say I want you to prove yourself with scripture.

Eph:5:13: But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

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Put forth any scripture and ask for interpretation.
I will bring it to the light.
The light will show whether it is approved or "reproved".

Christ!




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Originally posted by Christ!

Originally posted by B.A.C.
I don't interpret scripture, scripture interprets scripture.

Ge:40:8: And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

You contradict yourself here.
Joseph said, "do not interpretations belong to God?"
But you say, "scripture interprets scripture".
So, you are caught in logic loop...circular reasoning.
Perhaps you believe that scripture is God?
Now you are really caught in a trap of your own making.

Christ!



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The only way to interpret the Word of God (Scripture), is to use the Word of God (Scripture). Sounds plain, simple, and logical to me. No circular reasoning there. Using your own mind to interpret it is what leads to fallacies, false teachers/prophets and false doctrine.

Originally posted by B.A.C.
The only way to interpret the Word of God (Scripture), is to use the Word of God (Scripture). Sounds plain, simple, and logical to me. No circular reasoning there. Using your own mind to interpret it is what leads to fallacies, false teachers/prophets and false doctrine.

Well, you just used your own mind to set up a logic loop.
The Word of God is not pages in a book!
If you listen to the Word of God, and write down what you hear, *then* you have words of the Word of God in a book.
How then is the book greater than the Teacher of the Word?

Christ!



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Originally posted by Christ!

Originally posted by B.A.C.
OK prove yourself with scripture then. For every thing you say I want you to prove yourself with scripture.

Eph:5:13: But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

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Put forth any scripture and ask for interpretation.
I will bring it to the light.
The light will show whether it is approved or "reproved".

Christ!




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You're missing the whole point. I already reprove myself with scripture. The second I would let someone else explain or reprove it for me, I am fallen into folly. Why would I trust you to reprove or approve scripture? I'll let the Word of God handle that, thank you.

What I meant was you keep posting all these interpretations without proving it with the Word of God. Show us in Scripture where your points are proven.

God bless

Originally posted by B.A.C.
You're missing the whole point. I already reprove myself with scripture. The second I would let someone else explain or reprove it for me, I am fallen into folly. Why would I trust you to reprove or approve scripture? I'll let the Word of God handle that, thank you.

God bless

Brother, I am the Word of God.

Christ!

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Originally posted by B.A.C.
What I meant was you keep posting all these interpretations without proving it with the Word of God. Show us in Scripture where your points are proven.
God bless

What you call "scripture", is the echo of the voice of two teachers.
I am the Teacher.
"gOd" is the other teacher.
If you mix my words with the words of gOd, you will get gOd.
If you mix sheep and goats, what do you get?
If you mix wheat and tares, what do you get?
If you mix truth and lies together, what do you get?
gOd quotes truth to float lies.
That's what you get.
Truth killed for lies.

I can quote the truth.
No sooner I quote the truth, you and your gOd will come along and put it into "context".
Well, the context of the truth is lies.
So, if you put the truth into the context of lies, what do you get?
Truth...in prison.

Well, I have come to set the prisoners free.

Here's how it works...
gOd speaks first.
I interpret what gOd says.
gOd raises questions.
I give the answers.
So, I am "the Answer".

Christ!







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Originally posted by Christ!

Originally posted by B.A.C.
The only way to interpret the Word of God (Scripture), is to use the Word of God (Scripture). Sounds plain, simple, and logical to me. No circular reasoning there. Using your own mind to interpret it is what leads to fallacies, false teachers/prophets and false doctrine.

Well, you just used your own mind to set up a logic loop.
The Word of God is not pages in a book!
If you listen to the Word of God, and write down what you hear, *then* you have words of the Word of God in a book.
How then is the book greater than the Teacher of the Word?

Christ!



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Oh, so you're claiming to be a prophet who receives the Word of God directly? The Word of God is indeed written in a book.

I'll use the New Testament, since I know you think the OT is a different God:

M't:2:5: And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
M't:4:7: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
M't:26:24: The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
M'r:1:2: As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
M'r:9:12: And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
M'r:9:13: But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.
M'r:14:21: The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Lu:2:23: (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord

Lu:3:4: As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Joh:6:45: It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Ac:1:20: For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
Ac:7:42: Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
1Co:9:9: For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
Heb:10:7: Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Every line here says "It is written", now prove yourself with what is written.

Or claim to receive the Word of God directly and I'll pray for your soul, as I'll then consider you a False Prophet.

Even Still, may God bless you.

Originally posted by B.A.C.
What I meant was you keep posting all these interpretations without proving it with the Word of God. Show us in Scripture where your points are proven.

God bless

Revelation 13:8
"All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world."

Interpretation:

The "Lamb" is the "Truth".
The truth is slain by the creation of the world.
Plain and simple.
Innocence is the domain of the truth.
Guilt is the domain of the "beast".
The beast makes guilt "the truth".
The beast *is* guilt.
The creation of the world rides on the back of the beast.
The creation of the world "proves" guilt is "the truth".
All the inhabitants of the world worship guilt.
To the world, guilt is "the truth"..."reality".
The inhabitants of the world need guilt.
Otherwise, there would be no more world.
As I said, the world rides on the back of guilt.
Take guilt away, and the world goes with it.
So, there is enmity between the inhabitants of the world...and the truth.
If the truth came to the world, the world would attempt to kill it.
It cannot succeed.
The writing is one the wall.
The truth will rise, and take the world down with it.

Christ!

Originally posted by B.A.C.
Oh, so you're claiming to be a prophet who receives the Word of God directly? The Word of God is indeed written in a book.

Yes, my words are indeed written in places in the context of certain books.
My words can be found in most books in the world.
However, when put in the context of lies, you cannot tell the difference between the sheep and the goats, so-to-speak.

The words of God are indeed written in the "New Testament".
I didn't say they weren't.
But you are trying to tell us that the book is now the Word of God, and the Word of God is...what...dead?

Christ!

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Originally posted by Christ!

Originally posted by B.A.C.
What I meant was you keep posting all these interpretations without proving it with the Word of God. Show us in Scripture where your points are proven.

God bless

Revelation 13:8
"All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world."

Interpretation:

The "Lamb" is the "Truth".
The truth is slain by the creation of the world.
Plain and simple.
Innocence is the domain of the truth.
Guilt is the domain of the "beast".
The beast makes guilt "the truth".
The beast *is* guilt.
The creation of the world rides on the back of the beast.
The creation of the world "proves" guilt is "the truth".
All the inhabitants of the world worship guilt.
To the world, guilt is "the truth"..."reality".
The inhabitants of the world need guilt.
Otherwise, there would be no more world.
As I said, the world rides on the back of guilt.
Take guilt away, and the world goes with it.
So, there is enmity between the inhabitants of the world...and the truth.
If the truth came to the world, the world would attempt to kill it.
It cannot succeed.
The writing is one the wall.
The truth will rise, and take the world down with it.

Christ!

Wow that's clear and concise.

Try this instead:

Re:13:8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Yes the "Lamb" is Jesus Christ, if you don't believe and have faith in Jesus Christ, your name isn't in the book of life, and you will end up worshiping the "beast".

Sounds alot more simpler when you take it like it's written doesn't it.

Originally posted by B.A.C.
Every line here says "It is written", now prove yourself with what is written.

You bear false witness against me.
They shoved nails in Jesus hands, and words in his mouth.
You shove words in my mouth, saying, "it is written".
Have you not yet learned that everything that "is written" is not always the truth?
All you've done is shown how the interpreters of Jesus worshipped what "is written".

Christ?





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Originally posted by B.A.C.
Try this instead:

Re:13:8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Yes the "Lamb" is Jesus Christ, if you don't believe and have faith in Jesus Christ, your name isn't in the book of life, and you will end up worshiping the "beast".

Sounds alot more simpler when you take it like it's written doesn't it.

Same difference.
The "Lamb" is the "Truth".
The truth is "slain from the foundation of the world".
The foundation of the world is guilt.
The world rides on the back of guilt.
Guilt is the beast.
So, the inhabitants of the world worships the beast.
None of the inhabitants of the world are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Only the Lamb is written in the Lamb's book of life.
Only the Lamb lives!
That is why Jesus says, "lay down your life, that you may take it up again".

Plain and simple.

Christ!

Originally posted by Christ!

Originally posted by B.A.C.
Oh, so you're claiming to be a prophet who receives the Word of God directly? The Word of God is indeed written in a book.

Yes, my words are indeed written in places in the context of certain books.
My words can be found in most books in the world.
However, when put in the context of lies, you cannot tell the difference between the sheep and the goats, so-to-speak.

The words of God are indeed written in the "New Testament".
I didn't say they weren't.
But you are trying to tell us that the book is now the Word of God, and the Word of God is...what...dead?

Christ!

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God forbid, the Word lives, not only in the Book, some may be internally inspired by the Word. Only problem with that is it isn't provable, unless you back it up with Scripture. You see the Word never disagrees with itself, it is righteous and pure. Therefore it must also be provable.

Lu:21:8: And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Also, you did say "The Word is not pages in a book".

God Bless

Originally posted by Christ!

Originally posted by B.A.C.
Try this instead:

Re:13:8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Yes the "Lamb" is Jesus Christ, if you don't believe and have faith in Jesus Christ, your name isn't in the book of life, and you will end up worshiping the "beast".

Sounds alot more simpler when you take it like it's written doesn't it.

Same difference.
The "Lamb" is the "Truth".
The truth is "slain from the foundation of the world".
The foundation of the world is guilt.
The world rides on the back of guilt.
Guilt is the beast.
So, the inhabitants of the world worships the beast.
None of the inhabitants of the world are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Only the Lamb is written in the Lamb's book of life.
Only the Lamb lives!
That is why Jesus says, "lay down your life, that you may take it up again".

Plain and simple.

Christ!

No, it isn't the same difference. If you were truly inspired you would be able to let that passage explain itself, like I did. In the process those reading may come to salvation.

Over-complicating and adding to it turns people away, and is folly.

Re:22:18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Re:22:19: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

See how I can prove everything I'm saying with Scripture? That's what I mean..

God Bless

Originally posted by B.A.C.
Yes the "Lamb" is Jesus Christ, if you don't believe and have faith in Jesus Christ, your name isn't in the book of life, and you will end up worshiping the "beast".

Sounds alot more simpler when you take it like it's written doesn't it.

Jesus said, "I am the truth".
You are saying that the truth is Jesus.
No.
Jesus is "the truth".
Big difference.
If you believe in the truth, you will be "saved".
If you believe in Jesus, what exactly are you believing in?
You don't even know.
You make up what you want to believe in.

The original sin is "unbelief in Christ".
Unbelief in Christ is "before the foundation of the world".
Those who do not believe in Christ are "condemned already". [see John 3:18].
Christ is the truth which is "slain" by unbelief.
What replaces Christ is belief in sin and guilt.
The world is the effect of a belief in sin and guilt.
So, it is a place of condemnation...*already*.

Jesus preached to "those in hell".
Meaning, you are condemned already due to unelief in Christ.
Christ pre-existed "the world".
Christ post-exists "the world".
Christ is the "alpha and omega".
Jesus told us the story of the alpha and the omega of the world...how it begins and ends.
The parable of the "prodigal son" is the story of how the world begins and ends.
The "cross" is how it begins.
The "resurrection" is how it ends.

Christ!

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