What is with all the "Christianity-Debunking" attempt threads?

Originally posted by HIFIGUY
I dont judge as it is not my place.

To say that anyone is not Christ...that is officially a judgment.
You have decided, against the truth, what is to be "the truth" instead.
This is essentially how the world begins.
And it is just such a beginning which "condemns" Christ to be all that the world is.
The world is "Christ crucified".
The world is a tomb for a "dead" Christ.
The world begins with judgment and is maintained by it.
The world is one giant judge fest.
Judgement is not an attribute of GoD.
So, the end of the world is "the last judgement".
When judgement ceases, the world will end.
*Our Father* will make the very last "judgement", and the only one he has ever made.
And the "judgement" will be:
'You are my beloved Son, and I give you everything".
This is essentially how the Son came to be in his "first coming".
The "last judgement" is like the first, but is called the "second coming".
The second coming is not a recreation, but a return from the dead, so-to-speak.
The world symbolizes the self-destruction of the Son of God.
So when the Son rises from his own self-destruction, it is as if he were created again.
And rising from the "dead", he hears the same thing his Father said in his initial creation.
After the last judgement, there will be no more judgement.
Judgement is not an attribute of the Kingdom of God.
When you say I am not Christ, you simply reenact the kind of judgement that gives rise to a world in which Christ is condemned and crucified and left for dead.
Somewhere along the line, you have judged Christ to be human, and so, you are human.
To be a human is to keep Christ is a kind of prison house.
When you "judge" with the "Good Shepherd", you judge humans to be Christ instead.
These are the only kinds of judgements that matter...those of the "Good Shepherd".
The judgements of the Good Shepherd bring us all to the "last judgement".
In fact, when we let the Good Shepherd judge for us, we have at last relenquished the decision-making process that has led us astray.
The Good Shepherd has "judged" the "prince of this world".
We must agree with that judgment if we are to be saved.
I call the prince of this world "gOd", because it wants to be worshipped as the maker of the world...and usurps the place of GoD.
Christ!

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Originally posted by Christ!
To say that anyone is not Christ...that is officially a judgment.

yes...by Jesus Christ himself....

And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.

Seondly...

Originally posted by Christ!
Somewhere along the line, you have judged Christ to be human, and so, you are human.

First off, you dont know me any more then I know myself. My journey is my own, as is that of all people.

Secondly...Like Jeremiah, It seems to me, that Jesus Christ was born not of the will of man or woman. Jeremiah was predestined as was Jesus Christ.

"Jeremiah 1:5

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

Your assumption is merely an assumption. Not fortified or informed by fact or Truth. It is merely speculation.

The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want...

Peace


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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
So...in another thread, you state that no law was ever broken.....

Originally posted by Christ!
No one has ever broken the law of gOd, the one you call "G.d." Is G.d the maker of the world? Every man has fulfilled the law of this gOd. For the law of this gOd is to act insanely, that all might appear to be guilty.

The Law of Good is to act insanely? No one has ever broken a law?
Lawlessness?

Here is a brief review of the semantic system I am utilizing.
I refer to the maker of the world as "gOd".
This is the gOd of the "big O", which is the gOd of "nature".
However, what is called "nature" I call *unnatural*.
The earth, for example, is unnatural.
Only the Kingdom of GoD is natural.
The world is utterly unnatural...posing as the natural.
The world competes with the Kingdom of GoD for the title "truth", "reality" and "natural".

So I differentiate between "gOd" and GoD...*Our Father*.
gOd is not Our Father.
We are the father of gOd.
gOd is something we made.
GoD is who created us eternally like Him.
The gOd-of-this-world is the same as the "prince of this world".
The "prince of this world" has been "judged" to be NOT GOD!
In fact, the prince of this world is judged *nonexistent*.
This judgement also goes for its effects...the entire world that calls itself "the universe", or "the cosmos".
The Kingdom of God and "the universe" are opposite and incompatible.
One is Reality itself, the other is an illusion...a mental trick.

The law of gOd is the law of separation.
The world is built upon this law...upon a foundation of "sand".
The Law of GoD is the Law of One.
The Kingdom of God is built on this Law...upon a foundation of "rock".

The law of separation "breaks" the Law of One.
So, gOd is "the lawless one".
The law of separation initiates chaos.
Laws built upon the law of separation are simply chaos control.
Chaos control laws do not save.
Chaos control laws frustrate.

But, can a "mental trick" really "break" the Law of GoD?
gOd would like to "think" so.
gOd would like us to "think" so.
gOd cannot break GoD...period.

Likewise, none within the realm of gOd have ever broken the law of separation.
They are separated!
Obviously, the separated have "kept" the "law of separation"!
The question remains, have the separated broken the laws of chaos control?
These are the laws of nations, tribes, families and individuals.
gOd would like you to believe that these laws are broken all the time.
I would like you to believe that these laws have never been broken.
I can explain why. It may take some time. As briefly as possible:
Actions within the realm of the separated are all prescripted.
This is to say that, all within the realm of gOd are slaves to gOd.
gOd is guiding the actions of all within its realm.
gOd makes you think that you are "free", making "choices".
Not true.
You are following *scripts*, otherwise known as "scripture".
In other words, you are a programed robot from the time you agree to side with gOd against GoD..."in the beginning".
When you sided with gOd, you submitted to be attacked...crucified.
Laws of chaos all work in the favor of gOd, to preserve its domain, and to preserve guilt within it.
It's domain is founded upon guilt, and needs it to maintain.
So, gOd needs "lawbreakers", that guilt may perpetuate as a belief system.
So, gOd sets up law systems that are all but keepable.
So much the better to "convict" the "guilty".
But remember, everything that happens after you sided with gOd is a set-up to take you down.
The victims and the victimizers are all actors, slaves to their scripts.
They change roles, and change again.
They have volunteered for these roles by agreement.
I call this agreement the "old testament".
It is a secret agreement to give as asked *covertly*.
The agreement is not out in the open.
The agreement is buried deep in the subconsious "collective mind".
The actors are punishing each other, all through time.
They punish each other for being "guilty".
If they knew the truth about guilt, they would no longer punish each other.

The "new testament" is a time to tell the truth about guilt.
The "new testament" is a time to "break" the "old testament".
The old agreement is replaced with a new agreement to give and ask for only love and truth.
No more secrets.
All secrets are brought to the light in the "new testament".

Christ!





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Originally posted by Christ!
If they knew the truth about guilt, they would no longer punish each other.

Look...plain and simple. If I piss on my brothers shoe, Ive done wrong. Its not written in the commandments that I should not piss on my brothers shoes.
Whether I apologize or feel guilty be it from religion or otherwise, should I not wish that to be done to me, then wrong is wrong, and right is right.
Guilt is a reactionary benchmark by which we are delivered a line of trespass until greater understanding is deliverd. Pissing on one another shoes, should both agree it is right...does that make it right? Within every man, woman and child is the answer.

But lets say I enjoy having my shoe pissed on, does that mean it is right?

History is riddled with behavior where the people have agreed that a practice is right and it has proven to be an abomination. IE S$G and the NAZIS.

Somtimes, there comes a time, when the love of God is the love of all of us, but it takes understanding, to relaize that God does not love everything we do.

Everything that was created was Good, but not all that was done with Good was Good.

Two men discover Iron in fire after burning some soil. One man creates a plow while the other man a sword. One mans used the plow to produce for the people while the other man kills a community.

Good people know what good is, and not everything done while thinking good is good. Jim Jones, and Koresh, and a host of other wrongs. WWI and WWII, the attrocicites of the NAZIS and the current situation in the middle east.

Every man is a Christ?...Good Lord..save us please and give us understanding. If thats the case, then even Saddam was a Christ? Hitler too?

This notion of no guilt, relieves the wrong doer of understanding that their actions are not beneficial. It is not to live in guilt, but an understanding that a lesser good is being undertaken.

Did not Jesus say...he that is without sin, cast the first stone?
And did not those men depart the room?

How then can one say that mankind was not intending to transgress...

Peace


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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Why is it that you do not reference scripture? Even Jesus did so in fulfillment of the scriptures.

As I mentioned in the previous post, all actions in the world are prescripted.
All of the actions prescripted by "gOd" "foretell" of the crucifixion of the Son of God.
That is, the only thing going on in the world is the crucifixion of Christ.
Simultaneously, however, the Holy Spirit is working to raise Christ from the "dead".
The world ends when Christ is fully risen.
So,
The world is "Christ crucified"..."dead"...and it is all "prescripted" in "scripture".
But the "bible" is not where the morbid "scripture" is written.
The "scripture" is written in the collective mind of the crucified ones.
The crucified ones are the separated ones.
The separated one are all those which populate the world of the separated...a world in which everyone and everything *appear* to be separated one from another.
This sets up a kind of "cross" upon which everyone is "nailed" at some time or another...as long as time lasts.
The Hebrew bible describes the crucifixion of the Son of God.
All of the events and circumstances logged in Hebrew history is just so many ways in which the Son of God is crucified by his "father"...gOd.
The Hebrew scriptures do not predict the crucifixion of any individual.
The Hebrew scriptures predict hard times for ones, some, and all.
All of these predictions, no matter whom they are refering to, are "prophecy" about "Christ crucified".
Therefore, anyone who is actually crucified is fulfilling "the scripture"...of gOd.
Anyone who passes from death to life fullfills the promises of GoD articulated through the Holy Spirit...the Voice for GoD in a world that knows GoD not.
The promises of GoD are all the promises of "redemption".
But "redemption" to the Holy Spirit is not the same as redemption to gOd.
The redemption of gOd is for an earthly ruler to rule over the sheeple.
The redemption of GoD is for returning the "prodigal son" back home...to the Kingdom of God.

I quote Hebrew and Greek scripture.
This is not a blanket endorsement of those scriptures.
I do not quote specific author, chapter and verse.
I quote merely what Jesus said and/or meant by what he said.
I consider these scriptures to be a mixed bag of "wheat and tares".
Nails were shoved in Jesus hands, and,
Words are shoved into Jesus mouth.
I select the wheat, and let the tares burn.
To quote chapter and verse would make those scriptural authors an authority over me.
Rather, I am Lord of scriptures.
Scriptures are not Lord over me.
Likewise, scriptures were not Lord of, or Lord over Jesus.
He edited, added and translated.
Whenever he translated, he usually came up with something entirely not within the current understanding of the day.
When Jesus said, " I came not to destroy the scriptures but to 'fulfill' them"...he meant, that he came to destroy them by translating them.
That is, Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil.
The scriptures are largely the work of the devil.
When the devil's work is *translated* it is "overcome".
Jesus shows us the way to overcome the works of the devil.
It is done by seeing everything the devil made the way the Holy Spirit sees it.
So, it is the Holy Spirit which is the great translator of everything the devil - "gOd" - made.
To translate is to think about in a way that reflects the truth.
When you think about the world truthfully, the world will "pass away".
One could argue that this "destroys" the world.
But it is a gentle passing...more like fading away.
There is another world to be "seen" beyond this one.
That world is "at hand" [I just quoted Jesus].

You see, its not what scriptures say.
Its what they mean.
If they are meaningless, meaning must be given them.
If meaning can't be given them, then they must be "burned" as meaningless.
I burn a lot of scripture in my mind.
I burn many of the statements NT scribes have scribbled.
However,
I also "test everything, and hold onto the good".
So, I hold onto what is "good" about the NT scribes understanding of what Jesus was all about.
The NT scribes understanding is based on a lot of "hearsay".
I "hear" what is true about what they heard and understood.
I disregard statements they make that show that they did not understand.
Either that, or I retranslate them back to their original meanings.

You cannot edit, add to, or translate the Kingdom of God.
If you do, you end up with "the world".
The bible is a product of the world.
It is not a product of Heaven.
It needs to be exposed for what it is, and not made out to be something it is not.
The "word of GoD" is independent of Hebrew and Greek texts.
The word of God comes from the Holy Spirit.
Think not that all the words in these texts are of the Holy Spirit's.
The thing to remember about these texts is that...
...somewhere between the many "old" words and the many "new" word, "the Word" was crucified.
The words of "the Truth" bleed through the "red letter" editions.
Read what bleeds through, and discard what re-crucifies the truth.

Christ!



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quite inspiring...

anyway, i have noticed all the christian debunking too. i mean i agree. all religions are twisted in this modern interpretations. christianity in my opinion is as false as taoism.

yet i am a believer in YHVH and EVEN the messiah. why? i disagree with the interpretation, but have nothing against toaism and christianity and can prove to you that they agree.

so the debunking is weeding out those who have false doctrine, yet on the negative side they are also causing young converts to fall from faith... the con definately overdoes the pro

sure, we all need some serious reformations, expecially in religion (which needs to catch up to the modern world). BUT that needs to be done within the religion and not by unbelievers.

just like science needs to be reformed by a scientist. politics need to be reformed by a politician. WELL religion needs to be reformed by a religious person.

Take it from a true Greek Orthodox Christian - do not believe a word they say!

Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Mark 10:18
And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone

Not even Jesus taught this.

To call anyone "good" is to make a "judgement" among illusions.
A "person" is an illusion.
A "person" is not true.
So, you can't rightly say that a person is either "bad" or "good".
A person is simply not true!

When Jesus said, "I am the truth", he was talking about what *is* true about him.
What is true about Jesus is also what is true about "us".
Jesus, truthfully, is "Spirit".
The Spirit is all that is true about Jesus.
The "person" is not true, nor the truth.
The Spirit is "the truth".
Jesus is really Spirit.
Spirit is not really Jesus.

In saying "why do you call me good?", Jesus is teaching not to "judge".
Again, to judge between two untrue things as if one were better than the other...this is meaningless and misleading.

GoD is good.
But then,
Only GoD is true.
So there is no comparison with any kind of opposition.
Only GoD exists.
And this is "good".
All else is a fantastic illusion.
There is no such thing as "good and evil".
The idea that there could be good "and" evil is what leads to the making of this world.
This world is built on the idea that there can be an opposite to GoD.
The world is the expression of "GoD and not GoD".
GoD is the "good".
Not GoD is the "evil".
See?
The result is a completely meaningless oxymoron in which to opposites are combined and made to somehow "reconcile".
But this is the basis of "magic", and so, the world is a form of sorcery.
Sorcery is essentially a imaginative mind-game.
Nothing within the mind-game is actually "good".
Nothing within the mind-game is actually "evil".
Everything within the mind-game is NOT TRUE!

Christ!

Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Corinthians says this...

14:33
for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

GoD is not the author of confusion.
gOd is the author of confusion.
gOd is the author of most of the scriptural texts considered "sacred".
They are extremely confusing.
The Holy Spirit is not confusing.
If the texts were authored wholly by the Holy Spirit, they would not be so confusing.
Instead, they are a mixed bag.
The NT texts are a psychic mine-field.
Step carefully.
Your next step may blow your brains out and take you years to recover.

Christ!

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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
and in another place...

2 Thess 2:3
"Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God,"

[edit on 28-2-2009 by HIFIGUY]

This scripture is an example of how one misstep can blow your brains out if you read without discretion.
This scripture is written as if it were something that is going to happen in the future.
But actually, "the apostacy" has already happened.
The apostacy is in reference to the genesis of this world.
The genesis of this world is a kind of apostacy against the Kingdom of God.
The genesis of this world is "a house divided against itself".
The "man of lawlessness" is the "lawless one" of which I spoke earlier.
The "lawless one" is the "prince of this word".
The "prince of this world" goes by the name "gOd".
"gOd" is the author of the "law of separation".
The law of separation "breaks" the Law of GoD.
Or so we think.
The law of separation breeds chaos.
All other laws are chaos control laws.
"gOd" is the "son of destruction".
It is a "son" because it is made by the Son of God.
Rather, it is imagined in the mind of the Son of God.
So, it is an "image".
An image is a "graven image"...an idol.
This idol is set up and honored within the mind of the Son of God.
As it is worshipped, it destroys the mind of the Son of God.
This is what it means when Jesus said, "destroy this temple and I will raise it up again".
He was talking about the mind of the Son of God, within which are idols/images which would destroy it.
Man is an idol and also an engine of destruction within the mind of the Son of God.
Man's maker is the idol of all idols.
It is an "abomination of desolation".
It is called "gOd".
And it is given power to make man in its "image".
Its realm is all of imagination.
What can be imagined is the realm of the "son of destruction".
The "son of destruction" is also another name for the "prodigal son".
The "prodigal son" and "gOd" and the "prince of this world" are all the same concept.

I am exposing "gOd" to the "light".
In this way, I am fulfilling this scripture which says that the end will not come until the "man of lawlessness is revealed".
Well, I am "revealing" the "man of lawlessness".
I am exposing the gOd-of-this-world as that "man".
Only as the "prince of this world" is exposed can its world be brought to an end.
For you must be "Lord" over this "prince".
Otherwise, you will be its subject and slave.
This is what Jesus meant when he said, "I have overcome the world".
You who made the "prince of the world" must overcome it...with the help of the "Savior".

The gOd of this world exalts himself above *Our Father*, and takes a seat in the very temple of GoD...in the mind of the Son of God.
And as it "works", it works to the destruction of the Son's mind, and so his "temple".
As it works, it drives the Son out of his mind, driving him mad with guilt.

Jesus came and told the truth about guilt.
Guilt is a "lie"..."from the beginning".
And gOd is a "liar from the beginning".
The texts which begins with "in the beginning gOd..." is the beginning of a big lie.
The truth is "without beginning and without end".
The gOd of this world makes guilt "the truth"...from the very beginning of its world.
But the truth is, guilt is a lie.
Thus, the truth "takes away the sins of the world".
The truth takes away the whole world!
The truth boldly declares, *the world does not exist*!
The truth has thus "judged" the "prince of this world".
The truth would "destroy the works of the devil".
Thus, the truth would gently "destroy" the works of the "prince of this world".
Its works include time, distance, form, stars, galaxies, planets, oxygen, water, earth, fire, motion, deception, conspiracy, secrets, heirarchy, levels, inequality, special status, "powers", "dominions", "principalities", change, words, symbols, images, concepts, separation, differences, fear, guilt, confusion, death, sickness, pain and suffering.
These "works" would "destroy" the Kingdom of God.
They are essentially works of magic, made "real" by "faith".
When they are "revealed" and *exposed* they will "pass away".
They will "pass away" from the mind of the Son of God.
This is the true meaning of "baptism", and why it is compared to a great flood as in "the days of Noah".
When the works of the "devil" are washed away, the Son of God will be seen standing where he always was, is and ever shall be.


Christ!






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Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Originally posted by Christ!
To say that anyone is not Christ...that is officially a judgment.

yes...by Jesus Christ himself....

And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.

See that no one misleads you saying that any individual is Christ.
When I say, "I am Christ", I do not exclude anyone alive.
When others say, "I am Christ", they usually mean they are Christ to the exclusion of others.
This is the kind of Christ which decieves.
You are promoting just such a Christ everytime you try to say that Jesus is the Christ, to the exclusion of all others.

The Christ is here to be seen in any and all "others".
You must "overlook" the appearances standing in front of your human eyes.
Human eyes are designed only to see what is false.
To see what is true, you must "forgive"...which is to overlook what is false.
To forgive, you must let the truth be true.
When you "judge", you do not forgive because you do not let the truth be true.
The truth is, the "person" is a "mask" over the "face of Christ".
The mask is the false, and the "face of Christ" is "the Truth".
If you "see" the face of Christ, you "see" the "Father".
That is, you see a reflection of the Father in his Son.
Because,
The Son is like his Father in every way.

Jesus never excluded anyone from his Self.
Jesus never said to anyone "you are not Christ", or, "you are not the Son of God".
On the contrary, he was always working to include "others".
It is only the NT scribes which exclude "others" and minimize the statements of Jesus which otherwise would clearly spell out the *atonement*.

What can be more clear than "the Kingdom of God is within you"?
Is it not clear that "you" are not a body or even a *person*?

Christ!

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reply to post by Christ!


Wow, I think the misstep here is yours. You've over complicated the scripture and have turned it into some sort of New Age belief or something.

The gospel is simple, Jesus died for our sins, so we can be redeemed and found without sin in the eyes of GOD. He rose again, defeated SIN and DEATH, so those who believe in him, will have everlasting life.

Any more or less isn't necessary. The more you speak of the scripture in the way you believe only confuses and turns people away from Christ.

God Bless

Originally posted by Christ!
GoD is not the author of confusion.
gOd is the author of confusion.
gOd is the author of most of the scriptural texts considered "sacred".
They are extremely confusing.
The Holy Spirit is not confusing.
If the texts were authored wholly by the Holy Spirit, they would not be so confusing.
Instead, they are a mixed bag.
The NT texts are a psychic mine-field.
Step carefully.
Your next step may blow your brains out and take you years to recover.

Ive blown my brains out..in fact holding the very hand that did it..and lived.
Ive seen the people who walk on water
and the man with the Golden face.
The hedge with the people who have outstretched wings
and the Christ Crucified.
Ive seen the world in his hand,
and the place Ive worked as a servant
where many worlds lay as easter eggs, in a grassy field.
The Garden with the two trees, and the house with magnificent rooms.
The two boats, and the one with the life preserver...

The day of the two clouds in the sky,
and the other day of the loud din in which the sky went dim.
Ive seen a man not hurt by fire that went right through him,
and he that is the Universe.

Does it really matter...?

Youll find me...skipping stones on the water on a beautiful summer day with my sling. When my brother needs help, Ill judge the moment and water each tree according to its need.

Love one another brother. After all, isnt that what were called to do?

/wink...

Peace

Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by Christ!

 

Wow, I think the misstep here is yours. You've over complicated the scripture and have turned it into some sort of New Age belief or something.

The gospel is simple, Jesus died for our sins, so we can be redeemed and found without sin in the eyes of GOD. He rose again, defeated SIN and DEATH, so those who believe in him, will have everlasting life.

Any more or less isn't necessary. The more you speak of the scripture in the way you believe only confuses and turns people away from Christ.

God Bless

Its simple:
The truth died that lies may live.
The truth was "slain before the foundation of the world".
The truth was "sacrificed" that "the world" may thrive and survive.
So, the world is a "lie" from "in the beginning".
Everything in the world is a lie.
Everything that happens in the world is a lie.
"The truth" came into the world that lies may "die" and truth may "live".

The way you interpret scripture preserves the lies that sacrifice the truth.
If you are a "person", or, if you are a "son of man", you are a liar, self-decieved from the beginning of the world.
That's all you need to know.

Christ!



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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Love one another brother. After all, isnt that what were called to do?

/wink...

Peace

I love the light.
Others love the darkness.
Confusion is darkness.
YOu are confused as to what is your "brother".
What is born of the flesh is not your brother.
Only what is born of the spirit is your brother.
Your brother is eternal, as are you.
What you and your brother have made of yourselves is what you have made of what GoD gave you.
YOu have made your brother into death.
You have condemned your brother to appear as flesh and locked him within it.
If you loved your brother, you would set him free.
If you loved him, you would love him as your Self.
What is your Self?
You Self is Christ.
Christ is lovable.
What is death?
How do you love it?

Christ!

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Originally posted by Christ!
If you are a "person", or, if you are a "son of man", you are a liar, self-decieved from the beginning of the world.
That's all you need to know.

I get up in the morning. I put my pants on one leg at a time.
I log into this forum to see a person who calls themself Christ! calling Christianity a lie.
And calling other men liars.

I wonder what Jesus would say to this...

Peace





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Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by Christ!

 

Wow, I think the misstep here is yours. You've over complicated the scripture and have turned it into some sort of New Age belief or something.

I am not for a "new age" because I am not for time.
I am for the end of time.
I am for the end of the world.
I hasten its ending.
A "new age" is more of the same.
The world is all about cycles and change.
It is about "good times" and "bad times".
I am for no times.
I am for eternity.

Christ!

Originally posted by HIFIGUY

I wonder what Jesus would say to this...

Peace
[edit on 1-3-2009 by HIFIGUY]

What makes you think this isn't what Jesus would say?
Didn't he all but say it to the Pharisees already?
Traditionally, they upheld the gOd of "genesis" as GoD.
Christianity is the neo-Pharisee.
It's time to expose it for what it is...Christi-anti.
It is not representative of what Jesus taught or thought.
Its traditions render his words meaningless, and without power.
You don't really understand its evolution.
It makes Jesus to be the "son" of the gOd-of-this-world, which is the "prince of this world".
In so doing, it mangles the truth beyond recognition.

Christ!




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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Christ!...who do you say you are. Are you claiming your are God?

Peace
[edit on 28-2-2009 by HIFIGUY]

I'm saying the truth about me is equal to GoD.
I'm saying that I am responsible for making the "gOd" of "this world".
I'm saying that through gOd, I "made" "all things seen and unseen".
I'm saying that my power is unlimited.
I'm confessing to a kind of abuse of power, in making "the universe".
However, I am free to use my power as I see fit.
"The universe" is not something that is "made".
"The universe" is something that is *believed*.
To believe in what is false is not grounds for guilt.
It is the power of my belief that powers the universe.
My belief powers a hypothetical construct...a hologram...a fictional story.
I am not guilty for believing in the story of "the universe".
There was never a time when I truly "lost" my power.
I have "condemned" mySelf as an expression of freedom.
Thus, as Christ, I have volunteered for crucifixion.
My crucifixion is not the will of *Our Father*.
My true will is one with my Father's will.
My Father's will is that I be happy.
Nothing in the universe can make me happy.
I am not happy with less than what my Father gave me.
So,
I am not happy with less than everything...the totality of everything real.
I am not happy with less than the Kingdom of GoD...Reality.
I am not happy with less than equality with GoD...the true GoD...*Our Father*.

Nothing about the "person" is true.
The "person" is not GoD.
The "person" is anti-christ, so-to-speak.
Christ is not both "GoD and man".
That is wishful thinking...self-deception.
GoD is God.
I am that.
Man is nothing...does not exist.
I am not the "son of man".
I am the "Son of God".
All experiences of the "son of man" are my experiences.
They are experiences.
They are not the truth.
Neither do they change the truth.
I am the Truth.
I am Life itself.

Christ!





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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
First off, you dont know me any more then I know myself. My journey is my own, as is that of all people.

There is only one journey.
It is the journey of the "prodigal son" away from home, and back home again.
Away from home, the journey appears as "my journey", and, "your journey".
But all experiences of "the journey" are mine.
The "journey" is merely a wandering of mind.
It is a mind wandering away from Realty.
Reality is Self.
So, the journey is a wandering away from reality, into insanity, and back to sanity.
It was a useless journey.
It need never have been taken.
It had no purpose but to satisfy curiosity.
It had no purpose but to express freedom.
That is all it was, a useless expression of freedom.
It does not make us guilty.
It just confuses the hell into us.

The "prodigal son" leaves as one.
He wanders as many.
He returns as one.
This is the meaning of the "atonement".

The journey is "finished"
Time is *over*...ended already.
Time is a vast illusion.
It waits upon your decision to return home.
It waits for you to accept the atonement for yourself.
No one can accept it for you.
Jesus accepted it for himself.
He asks you accept it for yourself as well.

Christ!




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