What is with all the "Christianity-Debunking" attempt threads?

Originally posted by Christ!

Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Originally posted by Christ!
So let me ask you, by what authority did John the baptist speak?
Where is John "the baptist" in the old testament?

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. — Malachi 3:1

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse- Malachi 4:5-6

John the Baptists birth can be interpreted as being foretold in both the Old and New Testament.

Jesus makes reference to the Elijah prophecy....

“Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 “From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force. 13 “For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 “And if you are willing to accept it,John himself is Elijah who was to come. 15 “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Peace
[edit on 2-3-2009 by HIFIGUY]

These words are put in Jesus mouth.
Can the Kingdom of God suffer violence? No!
Can it be taken by force by violent men? Absolutely not!
"From John...until now"?
What does that even mean?
It's meaningless.
More evidence the scribe of this text - not Jesus - is a sensational novelist.
If you are willing to believe it, "Dave" is the reincarnation of Elijah, John, and oh...Isaiah too.
Dave shadows the downtown streets of the city i currently dwell in.
Don't try to tell Dave he is not Isaiah, Elijah, or John the Baptise.
Most likely he is.
This scribe has an agenda.

Christ!

I have a question for you.

Is Jesus the Kingdom of God? Or did the Kingdom of God dwell inside Jesus? Or neither?

Originally posted by B.A.C.
Is Jesus the Kingdom of God? Or did the Kingdom of God dwell inside Jesus? Or neither?

Good question.

Let me use an analogy.

Captain Kirk is William Shatner.
William Shatner is not Captain Kirk.

Ok?

Now...

Jesus is the Kingdom of God.
The Kingdom of God is not Jesus.

Jesus is the Truth.
The Truth is not Jesus.

When Jesus said, "The Kingdom of God is within you", he meant that you *are* the Kingdom of God.
Jesus is completely redefining who you think you are.
The Kingdom of God is not inside a body.
The Kingdom of God is inside You...capital "Y".
The body is not "you".
The "person" or personality that surrounds the body is not you.
What was born of your mom is not you.
What reincarnates is not you.

You - capital "Y" - are within the Father, and the Father is within you.
Can you even fathom what this means?
You contain the entirety of God.
The entirety of God contains you.
God is not contained at all.
God is infinite, omnicient, unlimited...on and on...

To better grasp this, try to accept that the whole world is within your mind.
Meaning, both the Kingdom of God and the whole world are within "You"
One is real, the other is not.
One was given you, the other you gave yourself.
One never changes, the other always changes.
One eternal, the other temporary.
One is your Self, the other is a self-concept.
There is One Self, there are many self-concepts.

The following terms all mean the same thing:

Kingdom of God
Son of God
Reality
Everything
Truth
Christ

In the Kingdom of God, there is no heirarchy.
There is perfect equality.
All are the same.
All are King of Kings.
All are Lord of Lords.
What you ask for, you recieve.
What you want, you get.
What you want can never be taken from you.
None tell anyone what to do or think.
The world is something you are doing [thinking] with your power.
You are still lord, whether you believe it or not.
The Kingdom of God is not a reward for belief.
The Kingdom of God is a fact, whether you believe it or not.
You are a fact, whether you believe it or not.
You have used power to not believe it.
The power of your belief/unbelief has yeilded a kind of effect, what we call "the world"
The world is unbelief in yourSelf.
To return to yourself, believe in yourSelf.
This is what it means to "believe in Christ and be saved".
The world is something you thought you wanted.
It cannot be taken away from you, so long as you believe it...believe in it.
You are the lord, with all power in heaven and earth.
Believe it or not.
Truly, you really only want the same thing that God wants.
In truth, your will and the will of God are the same.
The world is the concept of another will.
It's just a concept.
But you give it power with your belief, your curiosity, your wishes.

Note well:
In the Kingdom of God, having and being are the same.
If you have the Kingdom, you are the Kingdom.
If you have God, you are God.
If you have truth, you are the Truth.
If you have life, you are "the Life".

You *are* the Will of God.
You *are* the Law of God.
You *are* Love.
You *are* Perfect.

In your "creation" *Our Father* gave you everything.
So, you *are* everything.
*Our Father* is everything.
So, our Father gave you Himself.
So, you are in the Father, and, the Father is in you.
The Father is perfect, so...so are you!


Christ!









[edit on 3-3-2009 by Christ!]

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Chrsit,

Just as a side note...and its not like my thoughts really matter anyways...but when I read your posts, I just wish you could display your thoughts with simplicity. Truth isnt that confusing, it shouldnt be like a puzzle...it should ring like harmony in a song.

I respect what you say, and I do read your posts (unlike some I just skip over)....but I wish your message was just more simple. Your name is simple, its clear and concise...I believe there is a more clear message within you waiting to burst forth.

Truth and wisdom doesnt have to be so complex. I really hope you dont take this at all the wrong way....and my opinion of the matter really has no merit. I have a feeling though, the complex message flies right over the heads of many. Sometimes while I try to 'decipher' your posts, my head feels like its crunching in on itself.

I only say this, because I think you have great things to say.

With much respect, my best to you and yours
LV

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Christ!

 

Chrsit,

Just as a side note...and its not like my thoughts really matter anyways...but when I read your posts, I just wish you could display your thoughts with simplicity. Truth isnt that confusing, it shouldnt be like a puzzle...it should ring like harmony in a song.

I respect what you say, and I do read your posts (unlike some I just skip over)....but I wish your message was just more simple. Your name is simple, its clear and concise...I believe there is a more clear message within you waiting to burst forth.

Truth and wisdom doesnt have to be so complex. I really hope you dont take this at all the wrong way....and my opinion of the matter really has no merit. I have a feeling though, the complex message flies right over the heads of many. Sometimes while I try to 'decipher' your posts, my head feels like its crunching in on itself.

I only say this, because I think you have great things to say.

With much respect, my best to you and yours
LV

Point well taken.

Two factors:

God is simple, but the world we have made of ourselves is complex.
The world is very confusing from it's very "foundation".
It rests on a lie.
It rests on meaninglessness.
It is insane.
Sanity comes to "speak" to the insane.
The insane hear only "words".
So, salvation comes as the "Word of God".
Can the insane readily grasp it?
When you can "hear" the Word of God directly, instead of through "words", you are beginning to shake off your insanity.
It may take years and years and years.
The process is slowed considerably when the insane "judge" sanity by their own standards.
Between the Kingdom of God and the world, there is sanity or insanity.
Each is insane to the other.
How can any communication be established between them?
This is the task of the Holy Spirit, to restore "communion" [true communication].
At the core of the issue is a "communication breakdown".
That is how *Our Father* addresses the "problem".
For this, the Holy Spirit was created and "given"
The Holy Spirit solves the problem, and brings the "prodigal son" home.
The Holy Spirit is "the Teacher"...the "Master"...the "Comforter..."the Prince of Peace"..."the Truth"..."the Life"..."the Savior".

Salvations task is to sort all this out, and return your mind to it's natural, pristine state of being...in peace...through peace.
If you are in the world, your mind has been compromised.
All of your thinking processes are *opposite* the way God thinks.
Believe it or not, words are not meant to communicate with.
Words are designed to break communication.
Words are two steps removed from Reality.
The body is one step removed from reality, and the words that come out of it are another step removed.

I am working to restore communication between an illusiory self and your own Self.
So be patient.
I am not deliberately complex.
I attempt to be thorough.
The illusory self is very demanding.
It is compex...and its complexity sometimes demands a complex answer before it will stand down.
If it does not makes sense to it, it forces its own "sense" on the Word of God.
The task of the Word of God is to talk the illusory self into standing down.
Rather, it is the task of convincing you to put down the illusory self.
The illusory self is like a shot-gun pointed at your own head.
It is insane.
Trying to talk you out of suicide.
Trying to talk you into Life.
But cannot force a will upon you.
You are lord, in your insanity, and also in your sanity.
Thy will be done.
There are no commands in God.
There is a Guide, not a commander.
There is a Good Shepherd, not a slavedriver.
You are the leader of your own salvation.
You lead by asking for Guidance.
You must return home willingly.
Believe me, there is a correlation between your understanding and your willingness.
The illusory self understands nothing, and thinks it "knows".
It knows nothing.
So...beware.
Beware of what is in your mind.
Beware what seeks to control your every thought.

Secondly,
I am a teacher being taught by the Teacher.
This means I am being baptized.
As I get more clear, I will be more clear.
Nevertheless, clarity in my ability to convey a simple message does not guarantee it will be understandable to you...at this time.
Perhaps the message will be seeded, and sprout later.
Try to take it in.
Try to understand.
Be willing to know the truth.

Christ!





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You say this world rest on a 'lie'. Elaborate, simply, please.

Is a lie another word to describe illusion>? In your thinking, just trying, slowly, to see where you are coming from.

I agree, our bodies are a step down, as well as using language, words, is also a step down...from true communication to Thee. But also, in the same light, ironically, our bodies are the instruments that Thee comes to and uses, for this communication. So again, we see, dark and light, serving a two fold purpose. IMPO. A step down, eventually leads to , a leap forward.

Thanks for taking my thoughts...as point well taken.

LV

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Christ!

 

You say this world rest on a 'lie'. Elaborate, simply, please.

Is a lie another word to describe illusion>? In your thinking, just trying, slowly, to see where you are coming from.

I agree, our bodies are a step down, as well as using language, words, is also a step down...from true communication to Thee. But also, in the same light, ironically, our bodies are the instruments that Thee comes to and uses, for this communication. So again, we see, dark and light, serving a two fold purpose. IMPO. A step down, eventually leads to , a leap forward.

Thanks for taking my thoughts...as point well taken.

LV

Excellent observations.

The Holy Spirit takes everything we made, and *converts* it to serve the truth...for salvation.
Here is a short-list of things we made to hurt ourselves.

Judgement
Consciousness.
Perception.
Belief.
Faith.
Bodies.
Words.
Specialness [unique, different].

These are all like "swords".
The Holy Spirit takes all these swords and converts them into "plowshares" to till the fallow ground of our lie-hardened hearts.

A body converted is transformed from a means [tool] of deception to a means for truth.
Words converted become, the "word of God"...or, words of the "Spirit of truth".
An unholy spirit, converted, becomes a holy spirit.
Willfulness converted becomes willingness.
Faith, converted, is transformed from a means to insanity to a means to restore sanity.
Faith in lies leads to insanity.
Faith in truth leads to sanity.

In all ways, the Holy Spirit *reverses* our path, leading us back the way we came.
We come, at last, to the singular *decision* which commenced us upon a useless journey away from home.
Coming to this decision once again, we will *choose again* between truth and lies.
Choosing truth, we will be restored to our inheritance...our "Kingdom"...our Self.

Yes, lies and illusions and imagination are all the same.
These have made the world.
What is the foundational lie upon which the world is built?
It is built on the idea that separation is the truth.
Separation is a concept which includes the concepts of differences, and special status.
Indeed, it is for special status that we are driven to commence a curiosity driven journey.
Specialness is what betrays us and crucifies us and damns us.
So, specialness is what we are saved from.
Specialness is an insanity.
So, salvation saves of from insanity.

As i said, in the Kinddom of God, equality and sameness are natural.
All are equal, all are the same.
So all are "One".'
Specialness requires first that the concept of separation be "the truth".
The separated may now be "different", and therefore "special"..."unique".
Since separation is not the truth, we have simply declared that it is the truth...by fiat of decree.
Separation has thus become a law..."the law".
The world is built on this so-called "law".
It is a lie.
We have said, "so mote it be".
Judgement, therefore, is a tool of magic.
This is what "judgement" is all about...originally...in the "original [genesis] sin".
Judgement is simply stating what is untrue to be true.
So, judgement is akin to wishful thinking...imagination...illusions...*spells*...hypnosis...trance...delusion...hallucination.
Essentially, judgment is a lie.
It is like a drug.
It is the number one drug of choice...making and maintaining the world.
It get's us "high"...delusional.
So, this is the kind of judgment that Jesus says to "judge not".
The world begins with a "judgement".
When what is not true is declared to be true, it "condemns" the Son of God to oblivion.
The world is oblivion.

Now, as I said, the Holy Spirit converts all we made into a tool for return.
Now, it is the judgement of the Holy Spirit that we must rely on to be saved from our own judgements.
It is the judgement of the Holy Spirit...the Word of God...by which we are able to tell the difference between "sheep and goats"..."wheat and tares".
And by the true judgements of God, we are saved from our confusion...from a dark labyrinth of our own making.
The Holy Spirits judgements bring us, gradually, to our "last judgement".
When we make our "last judgement"...time ends.
For time begins with judgement.
Let us then let the Holy Spirit decide for us on all matters.
As we are "led" in this way, we become "one" with the Holy Spirit.
As we become "one" with the Holy Spirit, we will begin to speak for the Spirit, as the Spirit...in first person.
Jesus spoke in first person as the Spirit...because he had merged with Spirit.
Jesus no longer considered himself to be a man.
The "old man" had "died" to "sin"...to specialness...to insanity...to the world...to personhood...to limitations...to death.
Jesus "died" long before the legendary *crucifixion*.
The crucifixion was a teaching lesson.
It teaches how the world began...by the "condemnation" of the Son of God by "judgement".
Judgement gave "life" to a "lie".
As we let the lie die, we Live...in truth.
This is the greatest love of all...to lay down a lie for the truth.

Forgiveness, conversely, is the reverse of judgment.
Forgiveness, simply put, is letting the truth be true.
Innocence is the truth.
Guilt is a lie.
This is the basis of true forgiveness.
Forgive the whole world, for the whole world is a lie.
Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
This means, give the world the truth, and you will be given the truth.
Give the world everything, and you will be given everything.
Give everything to everyone, and you truly forgive.

What is everything?
Christ!

Christ!





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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Seriously...20%? Id like to get ahold of your " everything that Jesus said " calculator.

Yes...*less* than 20%. Would you believe 5%?
Thomas Jefferson had the right idea.
He made his own condensed version.
I am not necessarily endorsing his version.
I'm saying that mine would be very condensed.
I would include the parable of the prodigal son...without the 'jealous brother' ending.
The 'jealous brother' was added on.
The gospels are embellished novels.

Christ!



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Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Show me his ignorant words...

“Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 “From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force. 13 “For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 “And if you are willing to accept it,John himself is Elijah who was to come. 15 “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse- Malachi 4:5-6

These are not Jesus' ignorant words.
These are the scribes ignorant words...making a mockery of Jesus...making a mockery of God, so-to-speak.
They "imitate" to turn his words upside down.

The concept of greater or lesser in the Kingdom.
Ignorant.
The concept that the Kingdom of God is vulnerable.
Ignorant.
The concept of taking the Kingdom by force.
Ignorant.
The concept that there are men in the Kingdom.
Ignorant.
The concept that John "the baptist" is not also Christ.
Ignorant.
The concept that the great day of the Lord is "dreadful".
Ignorant.
Is resurrection dreadful?
The concept that *Our Father* would "smite" anything.
Ignorant.
The concept that *Our Father* would "curse".
Ignorant mockery.


The agenda is clear.
They are trying to connect Jesus to Hebrew mythology...all the way back to the "genesis" of "Adam and Eve".
They give Jesus a mythological geneology, making him the "son of man", making him the son of "Adam"...and thereby making him the son of "man's maker".
If they can succeed in making Jesus the son of man's maker, they succeed in subverting his message.
This is not a "success" of the scribes.
This is a success of the "god of this world", the "prince of this world"...man's maker.
Man's maker is consciousness shaped by *ego*.


Christ!






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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
Is a lie another word to describe illusion>?

GoD is.
Only GoD is.
There is no other.
There is no opposite.

So,
If there are any "lies", they must be self-deceptions.
Here is a short list of synonyms to help you understand what is a lie.

Lie
Self-deception.
Illusion
Fantasy.
Imagination
Judgement...that the untrue is true.
Hallucination.
Delusion.
Trance.
Hypnosis.
Spell.
Trick.
Misdirection.
Misinformation.
Disinformation.
Propaganda.
Secret.
Conspiracy.
Confusion.
Smoke and mirrors.
Darkness.
Mask.
Masquerade.
Actors acting.
A stage of "props".
Puzzle.
Enigma.
Oxymoron.
Riddle.
Story.
Saying.
Hypothesis.
Concept.
Myth.
Superstition.
Fable.
Tales.
Hoax.
Joke.
Duality...opposites together.
Faith...in what is not true.
Belief...in notions, ideas, concepts not truth.


All of these yield what we call "life", or what I call *liFe*...a lie with a big "F" in it.
So, "liFe" is...*lies for feelings".
Lies for feelings are made by the gOd of the big "O".
The world lists all of these types of lies, within your mind.
Together, they comprise "sin"...seriously insane notions about Truth/Reality/Christ.
Together they make a *distraction*.
The world is essentially a *distraction from the truth*.
The world distracts you the same way a stage magician distracts you.
When a magician does it, it's called "misdirection".
He would have you focus on his right hand, while his left hand decieves you.
In the world, you don't know what your own left hand is doing to decieve you.
In the world, your left hand is your subconscious mind.
In the world, your "conscious" mind is not really aware of much.
What is called "consciousness" is what I call *super-con*.
Super-con enables you to "see" whatever you want to see.
And as you "see" it, it is "real" and "true" to you.
Einstein started to catch on to this a little bit.
He said, "Man's experience...is an optical delusion of consciousness".
Consciousness enables fantasy and imagination.
But all fantasy and imagination is against the truth...so it yields delusion.
Truth precedes consciousness...being an attribute of the Kingdom of God.
The Kingdom *knows*.
Consciousness is a substitute for the *knowledge* of the Kingdom.
Consiousness enables doubt, uncertainty...ignorance.
In consciousness, an "observer" "sees" what he wants.
I call this *perception*.
Perception let's you "see" persons.
Persons are deceptions.
Persons are fantasies about Christ.
The sight of persons adulterates the meaning of Christ.
Christ is Love.
Persons render Love meaningless.
So, sight of persons is a kind of "adultery".
Love is unlimited.
A body would limit love.
A limit on love makes it meaningless.
A limit on love imposes a limit on "You".
The world is an illusion of love for a price.
Believe it or not, we have an option to see bodies or Christ.
There is no "body of Christ".
That is a deception, misdirection...distraction.
There is one Christ.
It is not a body.
Christ may be likened to a body, inasmuch as a body is one unit working together.
But this is just a parable.
The world is one mind, working together, to decieve itself.
Bodies are masks for masquerading.

A *spell* is a lie cast as truth.
A spell is like a trance, maintained by fantasy.
Truth dispels illusions of fantasy.
Those in trance recognize but words as "communication".
So, de-hypnosis begins with words.
Truth is "good news".
Illusions are "bad news".
The good news dispels the bad news.
So,
Here is a better definition of the true "gospel".
Good news of truth which dispels bad news cast by a spell upon your mind.
Essentially, I'm talking about a de-hypnosis process.
De-hypnosis is essentially what baptism is all about.
In baptism, one must completely immerse one's mind in the truth.
Otherwise, one's mind will remain utterly pickled by lies.

Christ!










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To preech or teach a foreign doctrine peppered with items of truth while adding to it the pickling of ones own mind seems to be an earmark of your own.

To attack a divine historical record and make all of the Authors of the Bible be part of some Hebrew Mythological conspiracy is your own stumbling block. It is a gentle guide, over the passage of time, which illustrates Gods interaction and revelation to us. Not all will see, and not all will believe.

As with all mankind, we hold unique experiences. I hold within me that which no man has seen, or heard. Like yourself, revelation is to each man his own. Like a crystal observed that sparkles amongst a group of people, each person seeing a different color or aspect as they view it. Yet it is the one light that shines within it that shines throughout.

To come against The Word of God stating that it is all a lie, is like a man who owned a house and his yard was full of dandelions that were about to go to seed. He took a rake out into his yard and beat them down, yet in doing so, the seeds spread even more. Was the spreading of seeds a bad thing? Surely not to the dandelion. But to the man who attempted to remove them with a rake, the desired outcome was not to his liking.

What version of Christ do I know? A just eternal who has infinite wisdom. Who speaks clearly and concisely, and is the Love of God. Of the kindest and most loving nature.

The Truth is the Truth is the Truth.
The Truth terminates hate,
and restores the Truth.

Peace


[edit on 4-3-2009 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by HIFIGUY
To attack a divine historical record and make all of the Authors of the Bible be part of some Hebrew Mythological conspiracy is your own stumbling block. It is a gentle guide, over the passage of time, which illustrates Gods interaction and revelation to us. Not all will see, and not all will believe.

In addition to the list of lie synonyms in my previous, I'll add:

Assumption
Proposal
Presumption
Pre-supposition
Prejudice

All of these describe your attitude toward the bible, calling it the Word of God.
The Word of God is not words written in a book.
If you "hear" the Word of God and write them in a book, then you will have words of God, or, words of truth, or words of the Spirit of Truth.
To take a collection of books and presuppose that these are the Word of God because they talk about God...this is presumption. On what basis do you presume to endorse a document which conflicts with itself and advocates what is ungodly as true, real, necessary, just or enlightening?

And as you beat the world up with the bible, trying to expunge the weeds, you spread more weeds over the earth.

Rather, I go to the root of the problem.
I've described the root of the problem as the Word of God would have it described.
You make assumptions about what I've said according to your prejudices.
Everyone has the truth.
But since the beginning of time, no one wants to listen to the truth who want to engage in fantasy ideals.
So, just because the truth is in you does not mean you can assume what comes out of your mouth is the truth and nothing but the truth.
Your words require interpretation.
Likewise, the scribes of the old and new collection of books alledgedly about the truth.

You grant the devil power to wreck GoD's creation and decieve it and trouble it and hound it.
You grant that when the Son of God announced the truth to the world, he was crucified.
And yet, you somehow insulate pages in a book, or the minds of select scribes whom you believe in, from the vandalizing effects of 'the devil' upon the truth.

Presumptuos indeed.
So it has been since the beginning.
So it shall be for a little while longer.
To each his own "truth" till he is weary of the effect of lies.
Perhaps a million years more of time.
Perhaps a billion.
Matters not.
Truth will prevail against a mockery of lies.

The Word of God is the source of all true words in any book.
Most books are a mixed up bag of true and false.
A book that is mixed, if taken as a whole, is false.
To that extent, the bible is false.
It quotes the truth merely to carry a lie.
It is of interest to the extent that it echoes the truth, as Jesus expounded on it...and pointed toward it.
It contains pointers.
I am pointing readers in the direction of the pointers.
Rarely can a reader read it and understand what it is pointing to without help.
In fact, a reader is lost without the Word of God to interpret the symbols and signs.
The interpretation become "holy"...not the book.

Christ!






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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
To attack a divine historical record and make all of the Authors of the Bible be part of some Hebrew Mythological conspiracy is your own stumbling block.

To come against The Word of God stating that it is all a lie, is like a man who owned a house and his yard was full of dandelions that were about to go to seed.

You are attacking the Word of God with your words about the Word of God...as if it were confined to the con-text of your prefered book of spells.
And as i had already warned, it is like a psychic mine-field that can blow your wisdom out and take years to recover.

Your quotes from Malachi and mythology about John and Elijah are laden with character assasination, promoting ignorant, ungodly concepts against what Jesus shared of the Word of God...which I have listed. It is also laden with conflicts. If we take the testimony of other scribes, John denies he is Elijah. So where does that leave you? Unconcerned? Laughing? Crying?

I am coming for the Word of God, to restore sanity to the mind of the "prodigal son" beginning first with words...words which point to the truth. If one listens and learns, he will experience truth directly. There are no books beyond that. Books eminate from that, if one who has experienced the truth wishes to speak.

I recommend printing out these text messages that come to you in the name of Christ.
Put them in a three-ringed binder.
Number every sentence.
Live and breath the words daily.
Eat and drink them.
Hook them up like a drip intravenous solution.
Put them in a small box and tie the box to your forehead.
Record them onto an mP3 player and put them on repeat throughout the day.
Stick close.
And you will begin to be baptized...washed clear of lies.
When baptism is finished, there is but the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
There is nothing else.
There are no men in the "holy trinity".
Which of these is you?
What are you really like?

Christ!







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Originally posted by HIFIGUY

What version of Christ do I know? A just eternal who has infinite wisdom. Who speaks clearly and concisely, and is the Love of God. Of the kindest and most loving nature.

Then surely you must not know the gOd of the bible.
You will be for or against this Christ.
You cannot serve two masters, so-to-speak.
A bowman cannot pull two bows.
A rider cannot ride two horses.
A spring cannot deliver both sweet and bitter water.
GoD does not bless and curse.
You must choose.
To combine them is a choice.
You can do it...but by magic.


Christ!




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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
To preech or teach a foreign doctrine peppered with items of truth while adding to it the pickling of ones own mind seems to be an earmark of your own.

This is a trademark of the bible.
It makes men and makes them real.
This is as foreign as it gets.
This is the hallmark of Hebrew mythology.
It is humanistic, so-to-speak.
It is magical.
Its epic battle scenes make humans "true".
It matters not whether men battle each other, or trolls, dwarves, elves, or centaurs.
It's all on par with Lewis' "Narnia".
Battle makes magical characters "real".

The prodigal son goes to a foreign land.
There, he reads foreign books, and imagines.
The stories cast a spell over his mind.
They are "true" because they are "history".
In this way, he remembers time, and forgets the eternal.
His home long forgotten...long denied.


Christ!





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Originally posted by Kandinsky
People are allowed an opinion. Characterizing them as 'debunkers' undermines both parties. Religion doesn't define the existence of everybody. It represents a point of view. Anything more than that is just contention. Like it or not, people will develop their own ideas based on whatever they choose to believe. Religion is based on Faith and will always be subject to questions it can't answer.

Enjoy your Faith and ignore any awkward questions

To debunk implies bunk in the first instance.


Are you implying that Christianity is full of bunk?

Wow this threads gone a bit weird.

Isn't the bottom line that,due to a complete lack of evidence of any kind,religious beleif is just 'opinion' .

As 'opinion' it should be afforded no special privilege of any kind and
people should be free to question,examine and (if needs be) criticise it.

Until someone actualy presents unequivocable evidence to give one of the thousands of organised religions dominion over all others, then rational freethinking enquiry and dispassionate critical analysis should not only be expected -it should be applauded.

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reply to post by Christ!


Another question: Is the God with a big O as you call it Satan?

Also, I checked out them books you gave me links to, and I'd much rather place my faith in the Bible, rather than people who have become millionaires off of filthy lucre by coming up with their own interpretations.

I was already familiar with the gospel of thomas. Interesting but doesn't convince me of anything.

I do agree with a lot of what you say, and strangely the stuff I agree with I can find in scripture.





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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
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Why'd you clip all that? You had some good points.

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Originally posted by karl 12
Wow this threads gone a bit weird.

Isn't the bottom line that,due to a complete lack of evidence of any kind,religious beleif is just 'opinion' .

As 'opinion' it should be afforded no special privilege of any kind and
people should be free to question,examine and (if needs be) criticise it.

Until someone actualy presents unequivocable evidence to give one of the thousands of organised religions dominion over all others, then rational freethinking enquiry and dispassionate critical analysis should not only be expected -it should be applauded.

To a believer it isn't just opinion, they get proof in their everyday lives constantly. I'd try to explain this, but it's pretty much impossible to explain to an unbeliever.

There will never be conclusive evidence (except for believers), it's all about faith.

Religion has NOTHING to do with my faith, I don't agree with organized religion.