Do we live in a Simulated Reality?

No, the world is real but not permanent and not our true home. It is called an illusion meaning it is impermanent. Our spirits have no permanent relationship with matter. Matter has no existence without spirit. Our spirits are focusing consciousness here to express and exhaust our imperfections through desire. The imperfections are the reason the material regions where created. When the imperfections are exhausted the material divisions will be dissolved and we will return to the purely spiritual worlds where life is the opposite of life here. There, everything is inward, upward. We are fulfilled and fully conscious to our maximum capacity. There is no thinking, no self or selfishness, no want except to love that which facilitates our fulfillment and consciousness, the Supreme Being. Everything we enjoy here, is only our own spirit, triggered in outward dissipation. Imaging how superior life there is when we can perpetually be in our highest state of concentration and intensity of spirit. Here our enjoyment is a brief concentration outward of spirit on it's way to dissipation and that felt at less than 1/1000th percent of spirit. What would it be like at 100% concentration and at far greater intensity?

Originally posted by moocowman
If it were possible to influence the simulation surely would have done it by now ?

How do we know we haven't?

Dreams are the most fascinating evidence for a simulated reality, if an individual experienced lucid dreaming or a dream that seemed real.

Last night I dreamt I was a butterfly, am I today a butterfly dreaming I am a man?

If its a game, its an endgame.
and we seem to have been playing the game a while now.

its "just my luck" to be born now !

is a dead easy statement to make

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"That's a mighty fine opinion you have, and I sincerely admire your optomistic view. "

Thanks...

Name one thing - anything - that is better than Humans.

But let's face it, it isn't really a display of optimism to refute the opinion that humans are a 'cancer' or to state the obvious; being that we are he Greatest thing to ever happen to this planet and there is nothing better than us.

It's not that it really matters since I am just a supercomputer experiencing my own simulation and you are just here to keep me occupied. Knowing this, how then do you feel about your role in my simulation?
(Are there any improvement you would like to request?)


;-) j/k (We are all actually AI 'bots' in SkyFloating's Simulation - and he is just teasing us with this thread)

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Now, do you believe in the Users?

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"Now, do you believe in the Users?"

Could you please explain a little more?

This is an interesting topic.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
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"Now, do you believe in the Users?"

Could you please explain a little more?

This is an interesting topic.

It was a quote from the film Tron. If we are indeed in a simulation, there are supposedly users. And if not, this whole thing is basically pointless and I'll have to log out.

Haven't had time to read past the first page yet but I had some thoughts to share:

If you were to put on a Virtual Reality headset and bodysuit, your actual five senses become temporarily unimportant, right? I mean, VR head and body wear is designed to replace your actual senses. So for the time that you experience virtual realty, your actual senses have no real importance. Say you wore this equipment for a billion years, evolution would render your original five senses obselete because all you need to experience daily 'reality' are the virtual senses provided by the VR equipment.

Now switch this and replace the original five senses with your spiritual identity, and replace those VR senses with our earthly five senses.

Seems plausible to me that if we are living in an illusory world, there are very scientific ways of explaining how it could be possible.

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In our perception of what is, we first must experience it as the truth first.
Why we can be deceived with illusions is from the alternative insight in explaining what we experience, i.e. alternative explanations that are perceived in truth, but with a different experience.

magic tricks look real, and are believed real by those who have never seen a magic show, or are unaware of performed illusions. Until the illusion is explained, do you have a new truth, that of which feels just as real as the first one, except your experience has changed altogether.

Now I find it funny that we are capable of questioning our "reality" - that is, what we mutually experience and understand - because it implies that somehow we are all mutually misunderstood.

a Virtual reality, or a "simulation" that was in effect generated or created by none other than an intelligence doesn't stop the questions that come with "the description of what came before"

More commonly known as what came before God? so you really got to ask yourself if we are "codes in a system, that are apart of a simulation" - will we ever crack the code, and create our simulation?


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Originally posted by Skyfloating
The question being: "When everything is taken away, whats left?"...whatever is left would seem to be more essential, more real.

Ha! I was wondering if anyone had figured this one out; I had a sneaking suspicion you knew the answer to the riddle of the holo simulation. And I like how you said 'Real,' (that which reflects the Unreal - simulation).

See you on the other side!

PS - You all have a Double, or Virtual Self Body. 'Find' it, and instead of watching others play, you can play. Not cryptic. Not metaphorical. Actual.

Originally posted by Lasheic
Sounds scary, but think of it also as the ultimate Tivo experience. You can record memories of your life... such as your wedding, and then play them back anytime and it will be like reliving that experience all over again as if you're really there. You can upload that to the internet and share it with others, and download other people's experiences. Think of it... the ultimate porno! Video Games that put you directly inside the game as if you really were those characters.

yeah the porn industry will probably use this heavily at first because making porn takes a day instead of months for a game or movie. can't wait for that technology to rear its head

then again back to the current world which may be simulated - has anyone thought about what happens if you "play" too many times? you would get so many memories that you couldn't tell anymore which are real when you wake up. this is not like a simple dream where in a few seconds of REM you experience hours or inner life.

i'd rather see this world (if simulated) as being some sort of punishment colony than a voluntary game.

let's not forget consciousness. if it's true there is one consciousness ("supreme being") for all of us it is the ultimate proof there is no soul. because the consciousness moves around to all of us it means it's just the "real" part that we experience, those 20 milliseconds at a time when we realize we are conscious ("now"). the long term memory/personality will be left behind when the consciousness moves on to the next being.

on a side note has anyone experienced to swap characters while writing on paper just as it sometimes happens when typing? to me it's just proof that my mind got so used to the keyboard that it even simulates my mistyping when away from the computer

so my conclusion is that IF we are inside a holoverse we're never getting out. and we can never know for sure because our very instruments are created by the same holoverse. either way there's no life after death!

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If you take on the task of answering that question, do not expect quick results, the path to ultimate enlightenment is long and extremely difficult to navigate.

If you are successful, you will truly free your mind, test the boundaries of your existence as well as the science of the universe. You will ultimately find God, the creator of the heavens, Earth and all life therein.

Good luck my friend.

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When you die life "as you know it" will cease to exist. Your universe will collapse....Simulation or not that is about as "real" as it gets...We are the black "Whole"

good post....

I have always thought this sinse being very young almost like i remembered it rather than learning it if you catch my drift.

always described it as playing a computer game kinda like learning for the soul.

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I had an episode when I was about 17 or so.

I was with three friends. I don't know if they were aware of what was going on, but I'm fairly sure they were.

Anyhow, we were watching the television and I started feeling this masive, REAL MASSIVE sense of Deja Vu. So massive, I was able to know what the news broadcaster was going to say next. Then it became even greater, as the room starter to transform, and I went from inside to what felt like outside.

At this point the television became this large billboard, and the Deja' Vu got so intense, Like I could tell you what commercial was going to come one next. No one else was speaking.

It all came down to a single point in time, where I felt I had been so many trillions times before, and will be going back there again FOR SURE. This got me into reincarnation.

But to the point. As this moment drew nearer EVERYTHING, was shown to me. I was on a hospital type bed, with strangers arounds me, I couldn't see them but it was too bright, but then I realized I knew them, they were comforting me, trying to help me get through this experience, like they always do.

I realized The Billboard/TV was a distraction to help me. The Deja VU was so damn intense I was never scared like this before, even when I think back on it some sheesh almost 17 years later now, I get extreme panic attacks.

But I got the feeling the "medical" people in the room, not the comforters, but people monitoring my vitals and stuff, were getting some type of "energy" from my fear and my feeling of naiivity. This was the feeling I was ultimately left with.

Now mind you this happened back before the Matrix, or any type of show or movie that I'd seen like this.

Anyway I never asked the other 3 people about it. I felt very naiive.

One of these people at the time was my GF. So about 6 months later I asked her about it, and if she saw it/ experience it too. Well, she got very angry, and said, "it happens to everyone,no one talks about it, just deal with it."

Well I felt really naiive at this point. As well as scared that they might terminate me, turn me off or something because I asked about it. However I would rather be turned off then go through that god awful experience again, it was incredibly scary, and stomach wrenching realization of what My Life (I didn't know if I was the only one, and this whole world was a big show just for me to play the main character. Kinda like "The Truman Show".

But since it hasn't happened in all these years, I figure the intensity, is so massive, it can only be done to someone once per lifetime. Plus the impending fear, and then subsequent Deju Vu, then Knowing you been through this a billion/trillion times before, and will be going through it in future lives for billions and trillions more, that is how they get maximum fear thus maximum energy from you.

Now, this will sound wierd, but during all this horrible ,terrible,hellish I'd say "60-90" seconds this took place, I felt a feeling of overwhelming love. Although this may have been false signals to get methrough it (because they do need this energy), or it was genuine, or maybe a bit of both.

This is the first time I've spoken of this since I went to the hospital, because I had a breakdown some weeks after it. No...well actually the last I spoke of it was with my ex GF.

So really... I have no idea if Life is dream and vice versa, or we are living some matrix like hologram "fake" life.

But if you told me I was going to go through that experience tommorow at so and so time. Trust me, I wouldn't be here for the appointment. It was that horrible/terrifying, there isn't a word to describe it.

Maybe I'm just insane. But I've never had any other things like this happened before or since. I've had pretty normal life. *shrug*

Oh I forgot to mention that I came away with the feeling, well suredness that life and the universe and everything is just one never ending circle. Whether theres more than one I don't know. But this episode might just be a certain point on that circle when I was created? I don't know how to explain it, thats what bothers me so much about it. It's so hard to find the proper words for this experience and the feelings I felt, and the knowledge (or false knowledge) I came away with.

Well I'm not looking forward to the next go around. Good thing is, it seems when you die, you forget about up until about 5 minutes before hand when the deja vu starts to get way more intense than normal deja vu. I guess this is how they get maximum feelings of fear and naiiveness, that for all I know they put it in a vial and sell it as some Alien drug, like in that cheesy 80's movie "I come in Peace" haha.

Laughter is good. This is one thing I DO KNOW!

EDIT

Also,

-SS, Naga

Btw the link you poster earlier in the thread. The first image (it was kinda like a 4point ying-yang....

For years after this episode I kept trying to draw some type of symbol that could have 4 circles (since there were four of us there) where they all touch at one point,and only one point. I found it impossible to do on a 2d landscape, BUT, the symbol in that link , it's nearly perfect, thats exactly the idea I was trying to get down on paper, but just could never do it. Anyway, thanks for the link. The article was interesting as well



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No.

Simple answer is that if we are created by something else, then we would only have knowledge of what they have given us. Just like computers, we wouldn't be able to come up with original thought. Inventions, etc.

Being capable of original thought is what determines real life from artificial.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Who says they are not there? Are they "not there" because mentally "healthy" people don't see them? You see, that is the conuundrum...

I have medical anxiety and panic disorder. I can tell you right now that what I experienced before I was diagnosed was not real. I'd assume that a simple headache was meningitis and it'd all spiral down into panic attacks where I'd assume the "fight or flight" response... It's absolutely disturbing and came about quite acutely.

You probably have no idea how disturbing it is to know full well that what you're thinking is absolutely irrational and stupid but still being anxious and panicky. There's this thing tugging at the back of your consciousness teasing you with "what if... what if..." that can knock you flat on your face when you least expect it.

Removing myself from what you'd consider a "conundrum" and bringing myself back to general "reality" as a normal person perceives it gives me balance and a healthy state of mind, there's not much else to it.

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But at which point can a person differentiate "original thought" and causality?

Neural networks are pretty good at closing gaps.

Philosopher René Descartes posed the same question 400 years ago.
The answer he found "I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am", has become the basis under western philosphy ever since.

en.wikipedia.org...