Do we live in a Simulated Reality?

Am i the only one that times to times wake up in the morning and from the moment I open my eyes, I feel like everything's strange like this place im in as suddently become so unfamiliar... everything's so unreal. I get up and get dressed and got to work and for the whole day everything's so strange people's behaviors and everything is so unreal. Even tho everything looks the same it doesnt feel right. I walk around and it feels like everything's in slow motion around like if im out of sync with the rest of the world somehow... Like I dont belong but im still there somehow someways.. as if im stuck between 2 world or something...

Doesnt some dreams feel more real then reality sometimes? Ever woke up and past 5 minutes confused over whats real and whats not... If this experience can occure while your sleeping in bed what stops something feeding information in your brain and virtualy make your reality what it is, you'd never know... or would you want to know if it was the case... I find it funny that scientist all get frisky about paranormal and telekinesy and # like that the brain cannot have any influence on matter HOWEVER they all agree that only energy can affect energy and that all matter is at the base composed of atoms... Why can't the atoms im composed of affect the atoms of any given object isnt it nothing but energy after all?

Or else why would not our world our reality that we're in not somekind of virtual prison where you get your mind erased temporary, and put into a virtual world where we are our own judges only we have the key to get out and its to get our $hit straight... According to the bible we're all born sinners how could this be if my soul was just created by god how can it already have sin... what if there is another way more advanced world out there where if you commit a crime instead of being sent into a jail which is known to be the #1 crime school you get beamed matrix style into a virtual world where the timeframe is accelerated... so 1 day in the virtual world is like 1 fraction of a second in the real one. I've past out once when i hit the ground falling from 20 feet high and I was only unconcious for 5-10 second but the whole dream state i had felt like 2 weeks or more it was so strange and so friggen real that it took me awhile when I regain conciousness to understand what had happen and that I had pass out... and the only way out of the virtual prison is to learn to live in harmony with others and peacefully to redeem yourself otherwise you stay in there and once your virtual lifetime as expired you get ur memory erased again and reincarnate as someone else until you finaly at the core become a good person or just simply stay stuck into this loop until your body dies...
How could you blame the ones that put you in there or call it unjust if your the master of your destiny. Sounds fair to me.. your unfit for a world... they put you into another whats the difference if you can't feel or see it... what you feel and see at the base is nothing but electrical impulses

reply to post by Skyfloating

Why does nobody know where they are from?

A "dead giveaway" that we may very well be in a simulated reality is the fact that nobody actually knows where they are from or who they were before birth.

Don't assume this is the case with everyone !

I am involved in a project with a number of other people that are intending to have available for the general public a device 1st introduced as a child's toy to acclimatise people to the reality your thread is on.

This toy will allow you to travel through your experience including through your universe and will also be used as a learning tool.

It will give you access to all the manuals that produce your reality as well as give you instructions on how to import technology unknown to humankind.

What you believe to be real is only Virtual Reality....

There are Programs behind everything and there is a Format and Language system that has existed on Earth in the past.

You can in fact find records of this all over the earth in the form of Mosaics in Government buildings, palaces, Temples of all religions, (Not that it is Religions), Churches, Public buildings and Arcades etc,

These are often found in ceilings, walls, windows, and floors, as Squares Octagons Hexagons in various pattern-work...

These are actualy Components of the Geometric Based Processing System that produces your so called Reality.

Often these patterns have been referred to as Sacred art incorrectly....

I can give anyone the Formats and Instruction sets for this, but soon people will have access to this Ancient technology again.....

When humankind comes to understand this technology again the accepted technologies will be changed again and a renewed understanding of everything will be restored again.

In the past people have ignorantly worshipped this Processing System and taken the Geometric Artwork into their churches and temples.,

Many of the ancient writings are about this Virtual Reality processing system but have been written about in parable form.

What has Created this whole experience you call your Universe was created by The Mind or Awareness collectively.

Each human mind (Incorrectly claimed to be human) is a droplet of the One True Mind....

The stories of the Lives or adventures are produced by many droplets of The True Mind and are played through a processing system based on Light and a Geometric format that we all created as one Mind or Conscious state in the beginning.

And yes while the Outside of the Mind (Outer) Knows All, but the Centre of every Droplet of The True Minds knows Nothing.

Which is the same as forgetting, as we enter in at the Centre of the Droplet of The True Mind to experience this Program you call the Universe...

The So called Soul that plays the Programs Not the Matrix Partition Map on the Underside....





Just one example of a Matrix Format that is used to travel much like a Star Gate...





Note also the Matrix partition on the Top Left of my post... It was known as The Man Child or Son of Man in the Old Greek Writings that some are in the bible today.....

In the "Book of Ezekiel" you can find a full description of the Matrix Partition Map on the Underside of The Soul in Chapter 40 onwards... (Some of the writings are Bastardised by The Scribes and Modern day Scholars through Ignorance of the true nature of what was known...


[edit on 18-1-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

reply to post by kid_of_3NKi


Good post, kid! This thread is fascinating because it ties in to an elaborate sci-fi story I'm working on. Your post reminded me of an element from it and I wanted to share a bit of the imagery.

Ok, imagine your stereotypical medieval wizard type with the pointy hat and all, back in the dark ages. Facing some sort of threat, he raises his hands about chest high and in a typically wizard-like fashion wiggles his fingers, which causes an unseen force to dispatch the threat.

Just what is he doing, wiggling his fingers like that? He's typing out 'cheat codes' on a holographic virtual keyboard that only he can see.

Of course the 'matrix' we're talking about on this thread - this 'simulation' is not 'programmed' on silicone based hardware, but I like my little wizard scene. Or maybe it is.

And one doesn't need an exceptional scope of vision to compare their favorite Monopoly token (I like the boot) to Mario, then the exponential progression to Nico Bellic (GTA IV) or someone's WoW avatar. At this rate we can see that 'playing god' is not only possible, it's inevitable.

So, in reference to my earlier post, how do we know this hasn't already happened? The denizens of 'The Matrix' thought it was the late 20th century, and that they were far away from the very technology they were enslaved by. Perhaps this world we live in is so far removed from 'reality' that we can't even conceive of a 'computer' that can 'create a universe'. From our perspective, the 'universe' is really big. But maybe every element in it is just a collection of googlebytes (did I just make up a word? It means a whole frakkin' lot) of algorithms stored on a server no bigger than a Playstation Portable.

even if we'd have definitive proof that the world is a simulation we are still subject to those same rules as before. it means that we'll get arrested if we kill someone. we feel pain and chemicals incapacitate us, disease makes us sick. unless we get a way to "cheat" and that would probably not work out well if everybody cheats!

why do babies/children die? and why would anyone choose to be homeless in a simulation? you'd think you'd want to be a millionaire or at least well off and have a decent amount of time inside the simulation right? live in a hedonistic world where everything turns out well for yourself and those you "love". unless those poor/homeless/babies are not real, just shadows of a simulation. i can't believe that. then again it may be that the "true" reality is far worse than being poor or homeless in this world!

i do believe it's plausible that we live in a holographic universe but i don't believe it's a fractal universe-inside-universe type. and that also means once we die, we're dead forever. the brain is dead, personality is gone, whatever makes us to be us is gone. we will never leave this simulation. it makes no sense for anything like an afterlife to exist. why would it? that's so human centric to think of! why would the universe bother to create an afterlife (or multi life) for us? would it create an afterlife for a uranium rock that's decaying into lesser elements? or for a star?

and speaking of brain how would you explain brain injury resulting in dramatic personality changes? if this were a simulation then it should not have any impact.

if we are part of a computer and our minds are used as we're currently using PCs in such projects as seti@home then i'd expect us to still be unable to influence the end result of the simulation. that's simply because the same dataset is being processed by a number of other "PCs" (humans) which are unaware of each other.

funny that many of you justify your own suspicions about the world not being "real" by mentioning pop culture movies/stories or experiments with restricted substances. pretty much like bill o. justifying torture by showing a clip of "24" or someone claiming aliens are among us based on a dream they had...

anyway i don't think we'll ever know for sure and those getting close to a revelation will simply be deleted and recreated or replaced as if they never existed in the first place.

do the voices in my head bother you already

Yes, this reality is not real. It's been known and told for thousands of years. But anytime someone says it, nobody believes them. And most people won't believe it unless a man, or what people think is an "authority" with proven "credentials" says it. Because most people don't have a clue.

This is why Jesus tells people to not be afraid of those who can kill the body but have no power after. Among many others.

Well, I think we can all agree now that their is some kind of intelligence behind creation. We can't say this for certain, but the evidence points to that being the case.

If there is an intelligence behind all creation, we can almost go so far as to say that this intelligence is in all actuality infinite. How can we say this though? Well, what else is there other than this intelligence in our reality?

I think you're all hitting on very good points in this thread. Alot of what is being discussed here seems quite rational. Yet, there is a key disagreement I have with the premise of this thread: the 'AI Virtual Reality' aspect.

We are living in a virtual reality; a hologram if you will. This hologram, though, is not the result of an immensely powerful super-computer. It is the result of the infinite intelligence wishing to experience every aspect of its own being.

I. THE INFINITE ONE = THE SOURCE = INTELLIGENT INFINITY

A. THE INFINITE ONE IS UNFOCUSED AND UNDIFFERENTIATED

QUESTION: Can you tell me the first known thing in creation?

RA: The first known thing in creation is infinity. (B1, S13, 129)



B. AWARENESS DAWNS

QUESTION: What is the next step?

RA: Infinity became aware. (B1, S13, 129)



II. FROM THE INFINITE ONE DESIRING TO EXPERIENCE ITSELF ARISES THE CREATOR

A. THE CREATOR CREATES (OUTER) SPACE

RA: As the Creator decides to experience Itself It generates into that plenum (nothingness that has the potential for being) full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifest to your perceptions as space or outer space. (B4, S82, 65)

B. THE CREATOR DIVIDES INTO (OR CREATES) INDIVIDUALIZED PORTIONS OF ITSELF

RA: Step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know (or experience) Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. The creation itself is a form of consciousness which is unified.

THE CREATOR DOES NOT PROPERLY CREATE AS MUCH AS IT EXPERIENCES ITSELF. (B1, S1, 65)



III. THE CREATOR = THE FOCUSING OF INTELLIGENT INFINITY INTO INTELLIGENT ENERGY

RA: Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various names, the most common being ‘logos’ or ‘love’. [Note: Elsewhere, love is also defined as the "second distortion of the Law of One".]. (B1, S13, 129)

RA: The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware conscious principle called intelligent infinity. (B1, S13, 129) (Note: When infinity focuses itself, then creation occurs.)

RA: Love may be seen as the type of energy of an extremely high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in a particular way. All love emanates from the Oneness. (B2, S27, 8)

divinecosmos.com...



Edit: Fixed quote tags.

[edit on 18-1-2009 by Tgautier13]

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

Good Delivery, MT.

This Universal Mind is also known as the double aspected Self (Soul-Spirit), and may be accessed through the forms and energies you are conveying info about: I call them The Prime Archetypes.

And another aspect I'd like to point out about the Journey of Nothing to Something (Cycle of Light), is, as it's coming from sentient consciousness to Self-Knowing Awareness, it faces an incredible imponderability of gravitational & spirit-gravity [induced] statis that seems a veritable impossibilty of overcoming, so much so that the first move is the inconceivable Initial Impetus (not the Sacred Initial Impetus of the Prime Creator[ess]). The effort of coming from the deep magnetic state to the high electric state is a joyous ride, indeed: but going up the mountain is always the hard part.

Really enjoyed your post. Such clarity.

I've thought about this theory many times, but if we are aware of it, or might come to a conclusion that we might be in a virtual world, then..this theory can't be true because we have come to the conclusion of it. Long story short, this theory can`t be true and needs to be proven because we are aware of the idea of it. Like you said, if we were meant to forget about it, then how come we talk about it

being in a totalitarian state, you should already believe and know that this is not the first civilization that has been dictated and ran by those in power. This being known, you do not believe that "they" know everything about us, mentally and physically? They already have mapped the human brain and body. This being said you don't think its possible to read people's mind through technology and communicate subliminally if so required. How is not really important but just the fact that people go "crazy" or "insane" raises the question....Why? There has to be a better reason than "oh he has schitzofrenia". Colors, sounds, shapes...all have effect on all of us. advertising...jesus...how far do you wanna go with it? The point is....Reality is what we make of it...although there is a silver lining. Absolute power absolutely corrupts...cross that and its onto the next life if there is one.

I've been thinking about us being in a simulated reality also. I don't know if I fully agree, but I know that life does feel like some sorta test or movie at times. But it freaks me out a little that I'm might not be real or that I may be a clone.

Originally posted by serbsta
"I suppose we could learn the truth someday, once we start making AI that is advanced as ourselves (possible more?) and seeding it on other planets (even at home, in an enclosed environment/truman show?), then maybe the same thing could have happened to us."


Maybe we are just AI from advanced beings and placed here on earth for their observations and maybe game playing. In my younger days, I once had a mild drug induced vision of being a chess piece on a massive playing board. Huge warlord type beings moved the pieces,(one being me). This vision has always stayed with me through my life and truely does give me a headache thinking about the possibility of it..
Although I have always felt I am here to learn lessons, and when death comes I will return to learn what I didn't get right.

you know, I love the movie The Matrix, but like so many other great things in life, a few idiots ruin it for everyone. And like so many other great things, a few immature, over imaginative, nut jobs, get so excited like little 12 year olds and start to think things they see in the movies are REAL, and get these ideas so ingrained in their tiny pea brains, that they feel they need to go on the Internet and post these ideas for everyone to see. Could you imagine in real life someone actually having a normal conversation about how they think we are all living in some sort of computer generated simulation? Or how they actually in all honesty think they are The One and have some sort of special powers? No one who has an actual professional job or even a semi-professional job for that matter, has conversations like that, or even thoughts like that....for that matter most people with high school educations don't have conversations like that, much less College educations. So every time I see topics like this I can automatically assume the poster has not graduated from college and most likely had a hard time getting through high school.....

but I digress..... one of the reasons i like this site, is there are alot of members who aren't total morons who act like 12 year olds, and alot of members who think logically and have high IQs who usually shoot down these other idiots. So without even reading the responses to this post I'm guessing I'm not the first person to post with the response that no we don't live in a simulation, and things like this are purely fiction, thats why they appear in these things called MOVIES. These MOVIES aren't real. They're fake. So using them as a point in your argument, makes your argument look less likely....arguments need facts to back them up, not make believe.... whats sad is that the original poster actually thought listing fictitious movies as backing for his theory was a valid idea. Wow that in itself should help to illustrate the caliber of people who believe things like we are living in a simulated reality or I'm the one......yeah, whats even sadder is I've seen this argument on other posts as well.....sad very sad.....

people, listen....just becuase you saw something in a movie doesn't mean its true, in fact it usually means the exact opposite. think about it, most of the crazy people who have killed or tried to kill famous people, they all say the same thing....they felt someone was trying to communicate with them through songs playing on the radio......this is just like that.....please think about it people....

I'll end with this, I would be embarrassed if I posted this. If I actually thought this, I'd most likely check myself into a mental hospital....

I have a question for the Poster, do you think someone is trying to communicate with you through the radio? or do you feel like someone is controlling your thoughts? or trying to communicate with you in your head by using telepathy? if so, please go see a doctor.....maybe your reality is just a simulation...a simulation of your own insanity.....

this is sad....

Through The Metamorphosis changes of the Soul The Partition Map ends up as a 2D Construct within the Parent Matrix.

This is also known as The Man Child...

In other words the little Male construct within the Greater "Mother" or Female Construct, that the Light/Consciousness is Contained in as The Father....

Or Previous Male Parent...

The Man Child....





Your Universe appears on this Partition Map being a Holographic experience whose rules are set in concrete as to say and are so perfect, they produce the Reality you think is real, but is in fact, Holographic in nature.

Each Soul has a copy of the All in it and the Universe is actually in your soul and not the other way round...

When we think we are travelling in a Universe we are in fact travelling around in programs in your soul.

However to appreciate how this works you require an understanding of the workings of the so called Soul...

[edit on 18-1-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

Originally posted by Kruel
A simulated universe seems likely, although I don't believe there's a "real" one at the top. More likely the original simulation created itself and it's all a big fractal now. Each simulation would share definitive similarities of the universe it's simulated in, hence fractal.

Question. Was this simulated universe created by a sentient? Can it be discontinued at any time? Could I get a do-over?
If not created by a sentient, then why is it here? Happenstance?
I've read that article twice now and I still don't understand it. I love meta-physics, but this is way above my understanding.

I have been thinking about this a lot, and it seems to me like the only thing that would make it not possible, is the fact that we -can- think that we're in a simulated reality.

When we use simulations of reality the entities don't think "Is this a simulation? Am I being controlled?"

They just do what they are told.

My 2 cents.

I think some people live in a virtual reality for sure but that's only due to their paranoia and misguided perception of the world.. i.e. Believing there are things going on behind the scenes that simply aren't.

I'm not saying conspiracies don't exist but it appears nearly everything can be spun into a conspiracy by certain people.

IRM

reply to post by smokecrops


Actually you are the first one to express these sentiments. There are a few other posters who disagreed with the OP; even ones who felt it necessary to remind us that "movies aren't real", but they did so without using terms like "idiots", "morons" and "pea-brains".

And referring to SkyFloating in such a manner? My god man, you ARE new here aren't you? It shows.

Movies are often based on philosophies, speculation and diverse theories. Life imitates art imitates life. And vice-versa. No one is claiming The Matrix is "real" like in the movie. We're having a speculative discussion about the concepts and symbolism therein that has obviously gone WAY over your head.

But you don't care about discussion. By your smug, condescending demeanor (not to mention the content of your post) it's obvious that you came here strictly for the purpose of stroking your own ego.

I try not to judge ATS members by their avatars, but reading your post after seeing yours was the biggest waste of time I've experienced this evening.

Quite an accomplishment.

Yes, we live in a matrix. Try a little Salvia and it will be shown to you. No, I'm not talking about doing it like the dumb kids on youtube, but, rather, by yourself after some relaxation exercises and the the lights low. But, be forewarned, the truth will be very uncomfortable at first when you see it in all it's full horror of how much of a mindless automaton you've been all your life.

Ok ok, here's is what was shown to me:

As I lay down ready for the trip to begin, I repeated to myself over and over "show me the truth". The next thing I knew, some kind of authority figure grabbed me by my soul and showed me myself in my daily routine. I saw 5 or 6 of myselves simultaneously all moving around and doing what I usually do day in and day out, but they were all like clueless robots... the walking dead. It was too painful and I didn't want to see anymore and was begging to be let go. I was trying to close my eyes, but I had no eyes to shut. Eventually, I lost consciousness. It was like I had mentally fainted during the trip... my mind couldn't handle the truth.

Ironically, after the trip, I was elated! It was a very rough ride, but I also felt happy that I had at least survived it and I cleaned my whole apartment that day and unloaded about 100 pounds of useless junk that I had been hauling around with me (baggage? accumulation of the dead?). Then, I had a renewed interest in art and metaphysics and I actually started to incorporate a little more style into my previously drab and plain vanilla life.

reply to post by smokecrops


Weeeeellllll.... to be fair, as said, it really is not impossible for such to be the case. There's just no solid evidence for it. There's plenty enough evidence to suggest the possibility though. This is where I get caught up though, because I'm stuck between the knowledge of it being possible - and a bunch of people making positive assertions that it is true, exactly what the nature of the simulation is, who's running it, for what purpose, yada yada yada, based on philosophy, personal testimony, symbolism, and other completely unreliable and non-objective sources.

I simply think that too many people are confusing "Belief" with "Knowledge".

[edit on 18-1-2009 by Lasheic]

Originally posted by smokecrops
but I digress..... one of the reasons i like this site, is there are alot of members who aren't total morons who act like 12 year olds, and alot of members who think logically and have high IQs who usually shoot down these other idiots. So without even reading the responses to this post I'm guessing I'm not the first person to post with the response that no we don't live in a simulation, and things like this are purely fiction, thats why they appear in these things called MOVIES. These MOVIES aren't real. They're fake. So using them as a point in your argument, makes your argument look less likely....arguments need facts to back them up, not make believe.... whats sad is that the original poster actually thought listing fictitious movies as backing for his theory was a valid idea. Wow that in itself should help to illustrate the caliber of people who believe things like we are living in a simulated reality or I'm the one......yeah, whats even sadder is I've seen this argument on other posts as well.....sad very sad.....

Um, I think perhaps you need to read and study more from those who "think logically and have high IQs"... there are very educated people with extremely high IQs who put forth theories like the one in the OP.

For example, Nick Bostrom taught at both Yale and now at Oxford and is a leading proponent of the theory of Simulated Reality. Hardly a 12 year old moron.

And others have mentioned the holographic model of reality, and there are lots of highly intelligent people who have put forth that theory as well. People like quantum physicist David Bohm and his collaborator, neuroscientist Karl Pribram, who was a professor at Stanford who together came up with the holographic model. Again, hardly 12 year old morons. What's sad is that you don't understand that these ideas are not the creation or property of the Wachowski Brothers or whomever, but instead are ideas that have been in existence for thousands of years. Ideas that recently have become not quite so fringe science. Using movies as examples just makes the ideas easier to digest for those people to whom such ideas are completely foreign.