Before you watch more porn, you need to know this

Last time I watched some porn I don't remember seeing anyone holding a gun to these girl's heads. Stop being so narcissistic and accept the fact that some people have different levels of social-acceptance than you

I hadn't yet checked through all of the links in the OP, but I think many people can have issues of having been exploited, especially children growing up in and around the industry.

Many porn stars like other more popular?...actors etc. have issues about losing popularity, attractiveness in work and income. Porn stars most likely at the bottom.......financially, I would think. Since porn stars are actors etc. I would think they would have some connection.

I came across a site dedicated to the porn stars who have died and the list usually will tell what they died from. I suppose that may have changed some with current medications idk. But I suppose many forced into prositution go unnoticed except possibly for death statistics etc.

It gets boring and tiresome as well as relationships, but easier to get back in touch with (well). Losing your labido at middle age is scary at first, but just like everything, moderation and acceptance is the key to longer and better health and survival. They have pills for that now and too bad they don't have it for those with way too much who lose their....hair over it. I've heard they put something in the water in prisons? idk

I've been celibate for around 5 years. (whatever that means) Real relationships are way too stressful, dramatic and expensive. Even a companion, wife etc. might feel like an underpaid, overworked and worn-out old porn star.

I was once told, when you get married , put a pillow case on the bottom of the bed, and every time you make love, add a stone to the case, do this for a year, then the next year every time you make love, remove a stone, what is left in the case is an indication of boredom in your marriage or sex life if you will.

Anyhow, I do get some of the OP points, however, not everyone is the same, in fact you would be hard pushed to find any two people with exactly the same wants, needs, or interest, I'm certain there are aspects of the Porn industry which are nasty and immoral, that is to say what is revulsion to you or me, is not for others, I have lost friends because of some video or other they had on their phone, I just didn't or wouldn't accept someone being shot in the head as being funny or entertaining, yet it is classed as Pornography because of the content and nakedness or acts involved, sure it was all fake but still not acceptable to me, because they hung around with my family and kids, and really I don't want that kind of personality around me at anytime.

So it comes down to the individual, to often we have heard the excuse, I only downloaded child porn for research, or I disagree with porn, I've watched a lot of it to see what it was about and I think its disgusting ETC, if that was true you wouldn't have gotten past the first 5 mins of any tape, never mind watching several tapes or video's.

Like everything else, in moderation it has its place, but while there is demand for the really sick crap, then there will always be a supplier, the way I see it is, the more perverted, the harder to find, the harder people look, and there are a lot of really sick depraved people out there.

I cant comment on the actors, because I don't know any, but I do firmly believe it has a place, even if it is just to keep those who didnt have access to this material from going and hurting someone, through porn they have an outlet without the harm to others, like prostitution, if it didnt exist, would people go out and rape to satisfy their urges?

A lot of it needs to be banned, and the rest of it is needed, where to draw the line? because someone looks like they are in pain does not mean they are not having fun.

Originally posted by azzllin
I was once told, when you get married , put a pillow case on the bottom of the bed, and every time you make love, add a stone to the case, do this for a year, then the next year every time you make love, remove a stone...

My bedroom would be FULL of stones if I did that

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One of the best threads I've read recently. S/F and you've got my props for this. As human beings we follow our instincts and sex is one of them but for all of us who sometimes like to watch porn, this thread should be a strong reminder that what is enjoyable for us as watchers, is so painful and humiliating for the performers. If there is no buying force then this industry will cease to exist. In this crazy times we live at all of us wait for the change to come from skies. We pray to God, ask for help, ask for mercy without realizing that in each of us there is a force that can make the change. And all together can stop this madness called pornography. Now and on every time I'll see a porn scene I'll have in mind the words I have read in those links posted by cybertroy. And I know it wouldn't be the same and actually it shouldn't. It so far from being human building your pleasures over other humans sufferance and pain.

You do realize Flynt's "Porn Bailout" is a prank? He's famous for these stunts.

what total bs

there is consent between two adults and they get paid handsomely for what they do.

and before anyone goes off in a strange parallel, porno people aren't stupid. they know that it's a business, and there is work to be done.

I once had a customer that is one of the largest makers of porn in the world.

He told me that he has people (men and women) begging to get in the xxxx movies.

The pay is not bad either, most women make their money by the minute,
how much they are paid depends on what they will do.
Most make $50 per minute.

To some I guess it beats being a waitress.

He also told me a funny, when ever workmen would come to the studio they would always ask for free porn vids.

Being the kind gentlemen that he was he always gave them free videos.

The next day when they would return they would say.

"hey dude those videos were GAY!

He would say something like geee I thought you were gay!

The videos he gave them were Gay S&M.

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You have completely ruined my Saturday night.

Porn is demeaning to everyone involved but we have people on this site saying you would be simply a religious right-wing hate mongering... for pushing your thoughts on them.

Good post.

Every single thing on the silver or small screen is contrived on one level or another.

Excluding cases of out-and-out exploitment--that is, the person is forced at gunpoint, not just that they took the role because they were poor--the actors in a porno know that.

I don't think that "It's not real, loving, sex" is a good argument. It's porn. It's not about love, it's about filming a sex act.

Originally posted by cybertroy
optyk phyba,

They don't give a damn? What does that tell you? What kind of person doesn't give a damn about people?

Sexual boredom, people doing bizarre things for pleasure. It boils down to this, you are probably having/had troubles with your relationships and troubles with yourself if you have to be overly rough, abusive, or take abuse to get your jollies off. Of course the Psychiatrist says, "Oh, we're all different in our desires." Instant justification for downright crazy stuff. Some people do freakin' things like cut and mutilate themselves to "get off." That's how insane sex has become to some people.

Let me clarify things with my history in porn watching. I don't recall anything really all that good coming from watching porn. The times I have watched it, many times, I have not been a good person to be around. I have taken paths I shouldn't have taken. Desires became more bizarre. The more I watched, the more I got into weirder stuff.

Porn was something I sometimes turned to get my fix, so I could feel some "happiness." It gave me a "fix," you might say, usually followed by regret. Porn did nothing to help me. It just helped dig the hole deeper.

I know what I have seen in those films, facial expressions don't lie. Some of those girls did not want to be in those films.

Porn desensitizes you, the more you watch it, the more you can become desensitized. Before you know it, the most insane things seem "normal."

I can no longer go back to porn, I would be supporting outright insanity, doing so.

I am building more and more love and respect for my fellow man (and ladies), and they love me back. Porn isn't love. Porn many times shows a hatred toward women. It's unacceptable as entertainment.

I'm as horny as the next guy, believe me, but porn doesn't belong in my sex life anymore.

Troy

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It sounds like your looking for something in porn that isnt there.

A lot of people dont like their jobs. Im sure in the porn world there are many who dont either.

For all the porn degrading women there is just as much degrading men. Like any other business they produce what people want, no matter how kinky/weird you think it is. The actors know what they are signing up for. They get paid money for doing a relative easy job. Sure there are drug addicts in the industry but im positive there are people on drugs or drunks where you work. Whats the difference?

Just because it involves sex you have a bias against it.

I really dont see the big deal.

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Nope. You're being far too righteous. Porn isn't bad so long as :

1) No one is being hurt (more than they ask for!)
2) No one is doing anything aganist their will or doing anything to someone against their will.

So long as those ideals are being maintained, what's the problem? Porn is great! It's healthy, fun, and great to watch.

As for the people in the industry, of course there are those who ARE abused or forced into it by nefarious means. Sure there are people in it who abuse others -- but that's no different than other social situations like families with alcholics, abusers, etc. I'm not justifying that behaviour -- merely saying it exists everywhere are is not isolated to porn, nor does porn make it happen elsewhere.

Also, there's LOADS of people in porn who DO love it and do profit from it and have no qualms with the work they do.

At the end of the day, it is just a job. It has nothing to do with "love" or whatever else you were bleating on about in your moan. Porn's good!

can mods please move this thread to somewhere else as it in no way relates to conspiracy.. like to general chit chat in below top secret kthxbye

WOW.... WHAT AN EPIPHANY!!!!

Someone realized while they were watching PORN that it was MAKE BELIEVE and that infact the two people didn't infact love each other... and that the schoolgirl was infact a middle aged woman in a school girl outfit!!! Oh the shame! How could they possibly do this???
I thought that only people that loved each other made porn???
They aren't in love??

Of course it's not...

It's all make believe...

They understand what the industry they are entering is about...

The MONEY is good...

Boo Hoo

Cry me a river.

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When you watch a porn, this is what you pretty much see, a pretty smiling girl covered in man goo. She smiles, but much of the time it's fake. You think she enjoys this. You don't see the pain, well actually you might if you actually took the time to look at some of the girls faces, or in their eyes, when they momentarily are "out of character." You can see pain, maybe even emotions like fear. I actually noticed this in some of the films in the past.

Doing research, huh?
This is not a one line post.

Oh come on really? That poor, poor woman paid thousands of dollars too have sex? Billions of women do it every day for free! Hell, if I got paid a grand every time I had sex, I'd be, hmm, probably a millionaire by now, no joke, and mostly with the same two people. Hell I've probably made a million off of each one if I got paid like these "poor" porn stars do.

Originally posted by cybertroy
They don't give a damn? What does that tell you? What kind of person doesn't give a damn about people?
[edit on 13-1-2009 by cybertroy]

Me, that's the kind of person who doesn't give a damn about people.

SOME people, like ummmm hmmmm oh i know!

Bernie Madoff!


AB1

How badly am I supposed to feel for these porn actors and actresses? They made a choice to make these types of movies. No one forced them to do it. I have known MANY porn actors and actresses in my lifetime and one thing I can tell you for fact....

They may not enjoy making the films, but they sure don't mind cashing their paychecks afterwards. Many MANY pornstars use their profession to work on the adult circuit. They work in strip clubs as "featured entertainers" getting paid thousands of dollars to do 4-6 "feature shows" on stage. Then taking pictures and selling merchandise to strip club patrons. Average income from this? Well depending on the "feature" the price can vary. I can tell you for a fact that Jenna Haze makes $6000 from a club to work one weekend. Doing 6 shows in a 3 day span. This does not include what they make in tips and merchandise sales.

And you want me to feel bad for them for the choices that they made?? Not likely.

You're forgetting, many people only watch porn for the articles.

Seriously though, even though I scarcely watch it since getting married years ago, I always have to laugh when I hear someone trying to paint porn stars as victims. Most every starlet I've seen interviewed has admitted that they entered the industry willingly, and with dollar signs in their eyes. Most of them even say that the old "all porn actresses were sexually abused as children" stuff is no longer the case. Sex has become less taboo and more 'OK' as time has passed and with women like Jenna Jameson and Tera Patrick going from porno to mainstream celebrity status it has become a legitimate profession in the eyes of the average American.

It seems that you're trying to take a niche of the industry, called 'gonzo' porn, and apply it across the entire porn business. Gonzo can be pretty sick and twisted and the argument can be made that it is degrading and even dangerous, possibly fueling predators who might watch it. At least that argument has enough merit to be discussed, but to try and paint the entire industry with that brush is pretty narrow minded.

if they wanna be slaves to the industry i really dont care

i choose to not be in their disgusting buisness

and if the people in porn are slaves , well they should fight for their freedom i would

theres really no excuse, its their choice so i really dont care what they do

i only care what I do for the most part