Livecam from Gaza

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Originally posted by jaman
does anyone know what is lighting up these buildings? it could make our friend mr camraman a bit of a target if hes seen by the drone

Theres an interesting question... well, like our friend johnny made all the calculations and figured out the position of cameras without even using a drone and with "ancient" methods using sun light position, I'm guessing the israelis know the exact position of the cameras also with 1000 times the technology that johnny has... so they didnt take out the cameras yet because they dont want to - as simple as that.

Maybe when the time comes the cameras will be in fact taken out... but for now, and since the cameras cant point to anything accurate enough and just show flashes of light, smoke and sounds, theres nothing to hide yet. But if cameras start to reveal more as they approach their position, they will take out the cameras.

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Nuke?.....come on........I saw it too but it was conventional without any doubt for so many rational reasons that needs no explanation.

i was only implying that it was huge, really huge and "looked like" a nuke. i also said i know it wasn't, but still.. huge!

This is where the camera is located:
9th Floor, Shawa & Husari Building, Al Wahda Street, Rimal, Gaza City

reply to post by MilitieTempliSalmo


I was thinking much along the same lines yesterday:

Perhaps Israel is also utilizing the video feed to evaluate the battlefield?

Perhaps they are reluctant (doubtful), to level a media outlet?

[edit on 1/11/2009 by clay2 baraka]

I have no doubt what so ever that Israel knows about this camera and where it is exactly....if they felt it was necessary to protect their troops to...stop the feed.....they would....would have. I mean a simple Google search and you find this.
((((oh...and if they didn't....I'm sure that address posted might give them a clue))))

[edit on 11-1-2009 by Res Ipsa]

There are countless flashes and small arms fire, i just saw something fly from the ground in the middle distance and arch over a small distance and exsplode -must be close quarter fighting in the city, have there been any devlopments?

the drone sound is much louder now, about four or five diffrent craft making the noise i would say, gaza sounds like hell tonight.

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I'm believe too Israel knows of this camera. And i believe that they want the muslim world to SEE, what they do to fellow muslims...the use of illegal white phosphorus etc. They want to stir the rage against Israel and maybe provoke Syria and Iran to make a move.

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oh i know it was so big and gold and red it was awful looking.. so so bad

i cannot imagine this kind of situation ever.

reply to post by NatureBoy


Page back I posted the latest from the AP on what is going on here....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is urban fighting. What is more interesting to me are some of the claims in that report being made by the Israelis to justify their attacks inside heavily populated areas, yet there is no proof offered to back up these claims, I suppose the world will have to take their word on these matters.

1) What is illegal about white phos? Perhaps I missed something but I have yet to see anything declaring it illegal.

2) Someone said it sounds like hell there, so far it sounds like some fighting every 30 minutes or so, not the "Blitz" or constant fighting like some are saying.

Does anyone know what white phosphorus rounds look like going off?

I just caught from Associated Press that supposedly Israel have begun firing them into Gaza City.

I just posted the source in breaking news here.

I can't watch the video because my internet is capped/shaped but please keep us watching this thread up to date about what you are all seeing.

I posed the question earlier about; wouldn't you be pissed if you were Hamas and Iran has done nothing to help you out as you were getting destroyed by Israel....well someone just started a thread saying that Iran has told Hamas they better not accept the Egyptian truce proposal.
So now if you were Hamas...wouldn't it start dawning on you that you are being used as cannon fodder? You were being played? You and your people mean nothing to Iran? All you are doing is throwing your family's life away because of some deep seeded hatred that you were either indoctrinated to have or has just become irrationaly embedded genically.
...Someone has to be smart enough to say; "hey, why do we want to fight for this crap hole?"

is there another link to this camara that some one could post?i keep having problems with this one

Originally posted by RocKukko
reply to post by Res Ipsa

 

I'm believe too Israel knows of this camera. And i believe that they want the muslim world to SEE, what they do to fellow muslims...the use of illegal white phosphorus etc. They want to stir the rage against Israel and maybe provoke Syria and Iran to make a move.

....no....tell me please that you came up with this off the top of your head...because it makes absolutely no sense what so ever. What kind of...I got nothing for this....I don't even know how to respond without violating some T&C thing.....how about that I simply couldn't disagree with you more.

From 2005.

An Israeli army helicopter fired several missiles at night on 28 June at the Al-Shawa and Husari building in the centre of Gaza City, destroying the Al-Jeel press centre run by Islamist Palestinian journalist Mustafa Al-Sawaf. The army said on its Internet website that it had aimed at the headquarters of a media outlet that incited hatred against Israelis and maintained continual contact with "terrorists." Al-Sawaf works for the Islam-on-line website, the Dubai-based TV station MBC, the Palestinian website Saberon and the Jordanian newspaper Sabil.
The building housed various local and foreign media, including Al-Jazeera, ARD, CNN, BBC, NBC and Kuwait TV. Two technicians working for the Ramattan production company were slightly injured in the attack, which Reporters Without Borders and the Israeli Foreign Press Association deplored as endangering the life of journalists reporting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
International humanitarian law say media premises (offices and installations) are not lawful targets unless they assist military operations, for example by broadcasting battle orders, or their destruction is an obvious tactical advantage. The Israeli army provided no solid evidence that Al-Jeel was helping Hamas operations. The views of Al-Sawaf do not justify such dramatic military action.

source

Israel knows exactly where the cameras are.

Originally posted by scotty18
1) What is illegal about white phos? Perhaps I missed something but I have yet to see anything declaring it illegal.

2) Someone said it sounds like hell there, so far it sounds like some fighting every 30 minutes or so, not the "Blitz" or constant fighting like some are saying.

I agree it has died down a bit now although there was lots of very intense combat happening not far from the cameras. I noticed the drones moved away while this was playing out and are now returning - the only thing that breaks this sound is the occasional explosion. The small arms fire has stopped, at least I've not heard anything for the last 15 minutes, I wonder if the explosions are the booby traps?

I can't see any movement at all, is it over for the people of Gaza tonight? As for the people claiming that the big, yellow explosion was a nuke: it clearly wasn't, rather a large conventional bomb. I am glad to see that no more WP has been dropped on such a densely populated area and I am praying that civilian casualties have been kept to a minimum. It seems Israel is now in control of central Gaza.

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Under the geneva convention, and the laws of war, a protocol forbids the use of any kind of incendiary weapons against civilians. The thing is, that only applies to the ones who signed that protocol... the US and some other countries did not sign it, thus making it "legal" for them I guess... and quoting a movie "we're not in Geneva.

The use of WP though is not prohibited for use against military targets in non-civilian areas in no treaty what so ever. So if its not a civilian area and the targets are military, its fair game.

Originally posted by MilitieTempliSalmo
reply to post by scotty18

 

Under the geneva convention, and the laws of war, a protocol forbids the use of any kind of incendiary weapons against civilians. The thing is, that only applies to the ones who signed that protocol... the US and some other countries did not sign it, thus making it "legal" for them I guess... and quoting a movie "we're not in Geneva.

The use of WP though is not prohibited for use against military targets in non-civilian areas in no treaty what so ever. So if its not a civilian area and the targets are military, its fair game.

I'd love to see a link for these laws, bot whatever. Do we know the WP was used in civilian areas? That being asked does it even matter since Hamas is clearly not following these laws by using human shields.