China vs. The USA: An eye opener

Originally posted by Wotan
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

I think it is very arogant to say that China is a ''backwards society''. China was the cradle of civilisation as we know it today. If it wasnt for China, the world may possibly be still in the dark ages.

The ancient china contributes a lot to the world. But the communist china "steal" a lot from the western world. Which without western technologies and economic system, communist china will mostly still be in the dark. How many communist chinese know daoism or zen buddhism, huh?

The world doesn't owe anything to this communist china. It's the other way around.

If this china can really stand on its own feet, it won't accept US dollar. But it will always accept the "worthless" dollar, because economically its very dependent on its Big Daddy, the US. No, it won't surpass the US, as long as its economy is too reliant on exports. Hence, there no need to worry about war, china will understand its dependency and who its master truly is. The reason why china seems so brazen it's because a certain type of chinese always have this illusion of grandeur. One of the worst kind in the world, IMO.

China has been taking over the world for 5,000 years now. It is too bad that they now toil under the brutal, mind-killing yoke of Communism. This is one of the most brutal communist strongholds on the planet. To hold it up as a model for human social organization is an intellectual leap few honest people can make.

Communism in China has killed untold numbers of their own citizens and legislates human sexual activity! It is insanity to think this is a good way to live.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Slayer

What happened to you sir.

You used to present threads on a "this is the way it is " bases.

Now , it's like your working for the NSA.

I watched your video's (very good ) and what I saw was 2 different

approaches to Global Business.

China brings suitcases of money to countries , to make deals, and doesn't

want to get involved in that countries business.

The US wants to interfere with the countries affairs , and uses threats

of economic and military warfare , to achieve their goals.

Why all this BS talk of "watching China" , scaremongering people.

reply to post by Sean48


This is a older thread of mine. The Discussion wasn't originally about a confrontational relationship. This was originally just simply a wake up call for those out there who may still have thought of China as a backwards communist nation. Granted still the vast majority of China is still poor urban dwellers they are making great strides towards modernization of their country.

Originally posted by SyphonX
All I have to say is,

Stop trying to resurrect the Cold War and grow up already.

Seriously, I'm tired of US nationalism and paranoia. The sheer arrogance and hypocrisy of these claims on how everyone needs to "wake up" to see how 'scary' China is getting... B.S., all of it.

Interesting....

Why is talking about China growing economically or militarily a scary thing?
Did you even bother reading the post and replies?

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
China has been taking over the world for 5,000 years now. It is too bad that they now toil under the brutal, mind-killing yoke of Communism. This is one of the most brutal communist strongholds on the planet. To hold it up as a model for human social organization is an intellectual leap few honest people can make.

Communism in China has killed untold numbers of their own citizens and legislates human sexual activity! It is insanity to think this is a good way to live.

Well maybe The old China has. I'm sorry I don't see too many of their leaders running around with Mao's little red book anymore. More like Check books. I separate Great China's illustrious past from their new 65+ year young communist government.

I always hear here at ATS how "Ancient China " Is and how " Young " the US is yaddda yadda Blah Blah Blah.....

The fact of the matter is that Ancient China was awesome. I do not however give the modern communist Chinese Government credit for that awesome heritage. That's like Giving the Modern Egyptian Government credit for building the Great pyramid

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by new world disorder
nice thread!

china is a threat...the lead and other poisons but our leaders aint worried. they dont care as long as they are safe they feed us poisons themselfs

-peace

You know I was just thinking about just how much pollution they are really pumping out the US pollutes mostly by automobiles not too much manufacturing going on anymore here.

The Chinese on the other hand have lots of factories going without regulations and they are buying more and more automobiles.

Another thing to keep an eye one aye?

Check out a thread I wrote a while back giving my reasons to look at China as a possible threat. The link is in my sig.

Pollution is a BIG problem, affecting the land and water, with an escalating birth defect rate, up in the 20% realm in some areas.

Drought in the land is persistent, and for such a large country, much of the land is not suitable for food production.

There are 24 million men there with very little possibility of ever having a woman, unless they go elsewhere to get one. These men are young.......and I read in this thread earlier that they have use conscription to man their army.....

I also read that our banks/government used mortgage papers for collateral on our debt to them. Supposedly they were given the right to use *eminent domain* to eject homeowners.

I can't remember all the different reasons I gave, surprisingly (?) the thread didn't really go anywhere, and I haven't looked at it in a while.

God Bless

sezsue

Originally posted by Occy Anonymous
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

North Korea is a purely military nation, I think they have the 4th largest Army in the world, and with China having the largest in the world (army) they would be a force to be reckoned with, while they're not an economic super power they are definitely a military super power. Not to mention they are incredibly reclusive and secretive, who the hell knows what they have up their sleeve??

Hmmm, I suppose it would depend on who attacks first, China and North Korea's navies are primarily green water so I would guess they would wanna stay close to an Allies Landmass and use hit and run siege tactics on the coast and use their Military numbers to defend acquired coastlines.

America has one major dis-advantage though-it's people. To avoid civilian casualities they would not be able to unleash their full might in an Allied area, unfortunately I believe China or North Korea would have no such problem....

Uh....check it out. China already has control over some of America's ports, example, Long Beach port.

And they are building bases all around us in South America, they now are in control of both ends of the Panama canal.

1952 ILLUMINATI PLAN GIVES COMMUNIST CHINESE CONTROL OF THE PANAMA CANAL! GUESS WHAT? THE CHINESE ARE POURING IN!

The Danger in China’s Mexican Port Grab

A Chinese company closely aligned with Beijing is rapidly expanding its Pacific port operations south of the American border. This is yet another example of China’s increasing global stranglehold on strategic ports and sea-trade gateways. For Americans, there are important security and national self-sufficiency implications.

The Trumpet has repeatedly warned about China’s long-term strategy to control the world’s most strategic seaways. The U.S.-built Panama Canal, arguably one of the world’s most strategic waterways, is under Chinese control. So too is Freeport in the Bahamas, which China developed into one of the world’s largest shipping terminals. China has also extended its Caribbean sea-gate control in Ecuador, where China owns that nation’s only natural deep-water port.

However, amid China’s many overt Latin American takeovers of strategic trade chokepoints and shipping facilities, its rapidly growing presence in Mexico, America’s next-door neighbor, has gone largely unnoticed and underreported. There, Hutchison Whampoa Ltd., the huge Chinese shipping conglomerate (which also controls the ports on both ends of the Panama Canal and the other above-mentioned facilities), controls several major ports, including those in Manzanillo, Veracruz, Michoacan and two ports in Ensenada.

The thing to remember is the Chinese are long term planners, more so than some other countries, and even though they may give the appearance of having been backwards, but now becoming a more open society, they have a long history of holding their cards very close to the vest.

They want to be under estimated, it is an advantage for them.

Just my opinion based on doing some basic research.

P.s. Timothy Geithner has a China connection.......as well.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Interesting....

Why is talking about China growing economically or militarily a scary thing?
Did you even bother reading the post and replies?

So this is what? >

I know many of you will say that they won’t be able to compete with the newer more high Tech American hardware but I think it’s safe to say that they are not playing around. I also know that many of their newer hardware has not been battle tested Should we just take a chance on that?

That's you just trying to be funny? Spare it. This whole thread is about getting people worked up over China, and playing the ol' nation vs. nation game. Who gives a crap about their military and/or how it stands up to the US military or others.

Well you should give a crap...

Strategic sea ports: That really can only be maintained if you have the backing of a Blue Water Navy like the USA

Multiple wars in the mid east: To build a Pipeline that assures a land route for mid east oil To China

The Backing up of USA's debt to continue those wars

The massive trade dependency for both sides...

You should give a crap, they are our biggest Ally

I wonder whom owns oil now? ..
Pretty sure we have plenty of military guarding it now.........For whom?
Beats the hell outta me..I Know China will need to consume plenty real soon.... $$$$....Just hold my debt for another 700 years until we blow it up

There is already an alliance, BRIC, Brazil, Russia, India, and China.

The Chinese have already shown they can take out satellites. Take the GPS system out of play and the US military advantage instantly evaporates. Suddenly you can't target the "smart bombs" or anything for that matter.

In a few generations China will have half the population it currently has due to the one child limit. It will be an overwhelming majority of men. Many men will not be able to marry and find a wife.

You know how men get when they aren't getting any.

reply to post by Jazzyguy


Hohohoho, China is stealing from the rest of the world???

I'm pretty sure CHINA was the country who gave a couple of billion dollars or so to bail out America when it was on the brink of economic collapse.

In the words of Ricky Ricardo, Ohhhhooooohahahahhhhheeeeh ooohh LUCY.