Springer, any word on the Stone documents?

I'm really glad to see that you guys see through Stone as well. All these ridiculous characters that have been treated as experts have been dragging down the UFO field for years. It's offensive if you think about it. Call them out.

Ask your questions but remain polite... there is no need to revert to third grade "name calling" to try and get your point across fellas... it just makes you look bad.



There is enough crap going on in this world...no need to sling more around.

[edit on 6-1-2009 by Alter-Ego]

I love ATS but that thread really makes me question the sites integrity. That coupled with the absurd Jim Marrs post has me taking anything the staff has to say with a grain of salt (because of their statements and the statements of those they associate with). Don’t get me wrong, I have a GREAT deal of respect for the staff and this wonderful site, but I’ll think twice before doing either of the following again: praising them, recommending the site to anyone else, or purchasing any merchandise related to the site.

There were claims that the documents proved without a shadow of a doubt that a cover up took place, a cover up linked to UFOs or the government’s interest in UFOs. So far I’ve seen nothing that supports such a bold claim.


[edit on 6-1-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply to post by Shere Khaan


Stone has had years to defend himself and he's produced absolutely nothing to support his claims. There's nothing contained in the "data" being referenced that adds any substance to his stories, which have circulated for years within UFO related circles and have never once been substantiated on any level. Think of how fascinating and complex UFO studies are. Who needs these charlatans? It's really dawning on me how offensive their lies are.

reply to post by Valhall


Wrong ones Valhall. The ones we want were given to Springer and ATS and have never been released anywhere else. We were told they would be released when ATS felt it was in the right manner and time. At this rate Stone will be deceased before they are released. Since the thread was closed before they were released there is no way to even ask about them and it has been a long time. Long enough to make one wonder if it is hoped we would forget.

[edit on 1/6/2009 by Blaine91555]

reply to post by Alter-Ego


Where is the moral equivalence? It's people like Stone who are immature and ignorant through their acts of manipulation.

reply to post by owlseleven


This is not about Stone. It is about wanting to view the documents Springer and Team ATS found so interesting. You are off topic.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Well, it is and it isn't about Stone, but you make a good point.

In regards to these documents, is there anything particularly revealing in them? ATS will reveal them when it's appropriate? Come on...

[edit on 7-1-2009 by owlseleven]

Cmon people, chill.

Don't start throwing around accusations and abuse before we find out the whole situation.

Whether you believe Mr. Stone or not, that is not the topic of the thread. The topic is about the documents and any outcomes from the contents of the documents.

Pretty sure Springer is far less likely to respond with an indepth answer when he is faced with pages of 'OMG they lied bla bla bla' posts beforehand.

Just be patient.

WOW!!!

Shere you have certainly thrown a lighted torch in the oil refinery here.



Well done for posting this thead

It could be the make or break ?

I'm pretty sure ATS has come into information that were essentially illegal to possess, and for one reason or other had to be covered up, at the request of the government.

Sad to know it's probably what has happened, but this site is better than none, unfortunately.

Sounds like the documentation didn't pan out into what they thought it would, and in embarrassment and possibly some annoyance, they shoved it under the rug and hoped everyone would 'just forget'. Or, perhaps they did find something and it got hushed up in a simular manner, but for a different reason. It sounds like deflection to me either way with that whole 'released when ATS felt it was the right manner and time'. What a crock. When is the 'right time' and what is the 'right manner'?

"YOU can find out what was in the Stone Documents for only $9.95!"

Either it's a power trip or someone's little joke that got out of hand and now it's too late to say they were just kidding. Face it folks, either there were no earth-shattering revelations or if there were, we're not going to see them. ATS is no better than BB is their own way. I wonder how much info they have suppressed over the years...

Chrono

Wow, I forgot about that document thread, thanks for bringing that up again.

I remember being pretty anxious at the time to find out what evidence they did hold and if ATS were be the one to disclose the truth to the world by some special ATS mix. I wasn´t even aware the thread was locked and just read up on the last page.

Having re-read some and the last 20 some posts of Mr Stone I can only come to the conclusion that the topic is dead and buried, and that most likely nothing will surface in here which has any true disclosure value...

We are just being kept running around in circles... and running... and posting...

This is a great cutting edge site, but at times I wonder why I even bother expecting world changing information to be disclosed here...

Sad..

Just a friendly reminder to one and all...

When posting here, we need to remember to have Civility and Decorum in all of our posts as members.

The finger pointing stops now. Please discuss the post and not the poster. Thank you for understanding.

TheBorg
Forum Member and Moderator

I am sure that ATS will make an announcement soon enough. From what I can see the guys have had a number of other projects to do since the thread was locked so I am not surprised that an announcement has not been presented yet.

From what I can remember from the thread the release was going to be done in a professional and watertight manner. Probably a large and expensive project that takes time and money to complete.

If the release had been discovered to be a load of arse then I do not doubt for a minute that ATS would have made a statement to say as much as soon as they knew.

It would be far easier for ATS to hold their hands up and say 'Sorry. We got it wrong!' than try and hide it under the carpet.

And yes, in the original thread I was quite hostile and demanding the release but since then I feel that it is better to let the guys get on with their job and trust them.

Until we hear any different we should assume that the ball is still rolling...

reply to post by SkepticalSpectacle


Don't know one way or the other if there is any truth to this blokes' story, but when you say, if he had anything it would be all over the news, are you living in the same world we are??!

The 'news' has been bought and paid for decades ago mate.

You will not see anything on the 'news', other than the drivel they spew out to condition you.

There is no such thing as a free press, there is no such thing as mainstream news, only highly organised propagander outlets.

If you think otherwise, you are deluding yourself. OK, that can be 'comfortable' to believe, but whether you feel warm and fuzzy at the thought of 'truth' from the 'news' outlets or not, it makes no difference. A lie is a lie, whether i tell you it, or the BBC, CNN, FOX or any other of those propagander machines tell you.

spikey.

spikey.

The ATS management put alot of time and effort into 'ufo' projects- I'm sure when they have some interesting new information, they will be as excited as anybody to tell everyone.......

Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by Shere Khaan

 

Come on.... they have nothing!
That is the point.... the Cliff Stone thread was a joke and i highly doubt anything will come of it.

No!!!!! Its a MASSIVE conspiracy to silence EVERYONE!!!!

hehe joking , thought you would like that tho

i like the font on his trashy paperback.

he sounds like a nutjob to be honest. and i'm sure springer is working hard to verify those documents, because since Stone was a typist in the military, he'd know what a report would and should look like. it'd make the job to forge fake documents quite easy if you know how a military report is laid out.

Give me one backed up fact and irrefutable concrete proof I should acknowledge all his ridiculous claims.

The 'UFO superstars' people like him and many others (Maussan. Jim Sparks, Burich, Adamski, Billy Meier etc) who push this Alien Agenda are so sad, lonely, it's hard to think of how sad and messed up their life that they had to make up a whole world of lies to live in.

Down with the attention seeking no-life nutjob charlatans!

[edit on 7-1-2009 by SkepticalSpectacle]