Springer, any word on the Stone documents?

Exuberant1

You seem to be fuelling the fire that has already burned, a pretty fruitless task i think. Your posts are trying to provoke the response of more questions, therefore you posting more questions are EXACTLY what ATS shouldn't be. Springer gave you an answer, why do this to other members? You shouldn't be here.

October

Come on guys, leave Exuberant1 alone or we might spook his precious source that gives him publicly available documents on the internet.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by skibtz

 

Nope.

This corporation/company is very nefarious. You absolutely would not want this company to play the role these documents show them to be playing in this situation.


Edit: I suppose you should get another try.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by Exuberant1]

Hah, playing along here;

IF it were proven to be true that a corporation was mining the moon for ores/minerals... the ONLY corporation I would have a HUGE gripe about them mining the moon would be:

Micro$oft.
They can't do ANYTHING right, except for make operating systems as insecure as possible.
End of story

Originally posted by Exuberant1
Then when you start to find out what they are doing (and not doing) with the stuff they are mining, the rabbit hole gets even scarier. There are a whole array of frightening implications to choose from, each as valid as the next.

they must be making big bucks with this helium-3 stuff.....

Helium-3 (He3) a rare particle on Earth but abundant on the Moons lunar surface (He3 is required for a fusion reactant - safe nuclear energy) has an energy value in today's dollars is $5.7 million per kilogram when compared to the value and energy potential of oil. **

Scientists estimate there are about 1 million tons of helium 3 on the moon, enough to power the world for thousands of years.

www.direct.ca...

5,700,000 X 1,000,000,000 =

**

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If you look hard enough you can probably find documents that show liquid Helium-3 being sold at less than $500 for a kilogram.

That's how many million times less than the current price per kilo?

During my research into the matter, I've been able to determine a few sources for the stuff - it is not all from the moon. But the implications of these sources are also startling, especially when one considers the quantities of product being dealt with.

...Well, I found the implications startling.

*I'm sorry that I can't tell you where to find these docs. I wish I could show them to you Mcrom. Alas, I agreed not to.

Sorry to whet your appetite like this mate.

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I have seen conflicting information about Helium 3. The Moon is supposed to have lots of it because it does not repel the helium 3 produced by the Sun, which then accumulates in the lunar soil. The moon is supposed to have enough helium 3 to fuel Earth for 10.000 years.

It´s said we need 100 tons of helium to fuel Earth for an year.

The Chinese plan to begin mining by 2015, but current spacecrafts can only carry 4 tons of helium 3.

You say not only the Moon has Helium 3, which seems to be true. We can produce Helium 3 on Earth as well, but it is not cost effective. And although helium-3 comes our way, our atmosphere repels it. Otherwise, we would have enough of it without having to mine the Moon.

Now, I dont know what documents you have found, but Helium-3 has been part of our lives for many decades. It is already produced on Earth, but not in enough quantities. We use it in:

"neutron detectors for national security, nonproliferation, defense, border security, and homeland security applications. In addition, 3He is also used in many other applications such as medical diagnostics, the oil and gas industry, and basic science research. Since 2003, DOE has sold over 175,000 liters of 3He, drawing down a significant portion of the Department’s inventory. Projected demand for He-3 is about 65,000 liters per year through 2013 but the He-3 production in the United States is estimated to be only a small fraction of that per year for FY 2010 and beyond. The result is that U.S. production alone cannot meet anticipated worldwide demand." helium 3 production

So it is possible to find documents of helium-3 being sold because it has been sold for decades. He-3 has other uses besides fuel, as shown above.

The point is to get ENOUGH of it. And so far it seems there is only enough of it at "easy" reach at the Moon.




[edit on 29-12-2009 by henriquefd]

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Somehow I just don't find what you were talking about as scary. It's true.

Sorry man, I really can't help it, it's hilarious. BTW, cute avatar.

Originally posted by henriquefd

The point is to get ENOUGH of it. And so far it seems there is only enough of it at "easy" reach at the Moon.

So if you a seen Large quantities of Helium-3 (tons of it per year) being exchanged before the moon landings, that would be disturbing and conflicting (considering we aren't supposed to be mining the moon).


For everyone, here is some Price info on Helium 3 (but given by a Guy who owns lunar mineral rights):

Scientists estimate there are about 1 million tons of helium 3 on the moon, enough to power the world for thousands of years. The He3 is mainly imbedded in an ore called ilmenite.

A space vehicle with a payload bay the size of a space shuttle could bring back enough helium-3 to generate the electricity to satisfy the United States’ needs for a full year.

Particles of hydrogen and helium in the solar wind that strikes the moon become embedded in the rocks and soil. This doesn’t happen on the earth because our atmosphere and our magnetic field shield our planet from these solar particles.

It has been estimated that helium 3 would have a cash value of $5.7 billion a ton in terms of its current energy equivalent to oil at

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I guess this is your source:
info on helium 3

It is actually old news. John Lear has talked about it as well as the registration of the rights to mine other planets. We just dont know how serious that is. I mean, there are churchs that will sell you a piece of heaven. That doesnt mean there is a heaven, much less one with a realstate market.

So, yeah, I have seen that information but I just find it interesting.


[edit on 29-12-2009 by henriquefd]

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I forgot to post the link to the prices that were in the quote box above.

Thanks for doing that for me.

Mcrom quoted from that site too.


*I am not talking about that site (direct.ca) or any info or documents on it, I'm just using it for a single solitary post - just like Mcrom did. Don't get confused.

So yeah, this isn't old news. But you may have read some of John lear's posts.

That is okay.


[edit on 29-12-2009 by Exuberant1]

I just found this. Thought it was interesting so I am sharing it in this thread. It is a document from NASA, from 1967, entitled "Problems and techniques of Lunar Surface Mining"

NASA document

Pag 35: "Estimated Amount of Explosives Required to Produce Water
on the Moon"

As for documents on the internet, if we are to believe everything inside documents that can be found on the internet to be true, we are supposed ot believe Einstean's theory is a hoax, Santa Claus is real and that Germans were the first to land on the moon before 1942.

So, if you are just having fun with people, keep at it. You're on the right track, since you are offering no help for them to find the document you are talking about. Except that it is "scary".

Now, if you want people to find it wihtout directly pointing them at it, at least tell them the subject. Give them something to at least begin their search. Otherwise, lying or not, you are not being nice.

EDIT: Hmmm, are you talking about Starcraft Boosters owned by Buzz Aldrin?

[edit on 29-12-2009 by henriquefd]

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hubble has been lately clicking the moon for re$ource$ too...

Hubble Space Telescope Looks at the Moon to Prospect for Resources (Aristarchus Crater - color)

Hubble Space Telescope Looks at the Moon to Prospect for Resources (Aristarchus Crater - gray)

Hubble Space Telescope Looks at the Moon to Prospect for Resources (Apollo 17 Landing Region)

what happened to all that talk about its limitations....

reply to post by mcrom901


That Aristarchus crater is quite mysterious. There is an interesting picture of it on the internt showing some blue lights coming from it.

Nice pictures there from Hubble, dude. Thanks for sharing!

Originally posted by mcrom901
what happened to all that talk about its limitations....

You are right about that mcrom901, that is quite remarkable, thanks for this info.

Could it be then that NASA did not tell us all?

Therefore it is a very reasonable thought in my opinion to assume that when they can make pictures like that with the HST, they are in reality capable of making them far more better.

I hope you don’t mind that I post here the small sized pictures of your links in order to give it an easier look.

Originally posted by mcrom901
Hubble Space Telescope Looks at the Moon to Prospect for Resources (Aristarchus Crater - color)

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Originally posted by mcrom901
Hubble Space Telescope Looks at the Moon to Prospect for Resources (Aristarchus Crater - gray)

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Originally posted by mcrom901
Hubble Space Telescope Looks at the Moon to Prospect for Resources (Apollo 17 Landing Region)

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