Evacuation Warning! - Yellowstone National Park (Non Official)

If you guys want to get the skinny check the editorial pages in the West Yellowstone or Jackson Hole newspapers. The guys who work in the park are going to blow off steam at the bars in these places. Someone would leak something. Almost a certainty that rumors would appear in the newspapers.

As for me, I quit worrying about Yellowstone a long time ago. I consider the odds of it blowing up in my lifetime to be less than the chance that I will be hit by a meteor. Even if it does, there is nothing we can do about it.

There has been much gnashing of teeth and beating of breast and "OMG where do I hide?" about this, and since everyone and his dog has put in his two drachmas' worth, I hope no-one minds if *I* do so. This following is an excerpt from my new blog, which I thought I would start on this nonsensical chicken-little alarm:

I live a short, pleasant drive from the northern entrance to Yellowstone Park. The animals here are behaving normally. The scientists here are behaving normally. The residents here are behaving normally. No-one's worrying about the Park blowing up--except this one, dull-witted, so-called "geologist", (there are LOTS of PhDs in the world, but *damn* few scientists).

There are ALWAYS earthquakes in the Park--hundreds a year. I know when there is one much over a mag 3, because my power-pole does the hula in proportion to the severity of the shock.

A look at the raw data from:

www.quake.utah.edu/req2webdir/recenteqs/Maps/Yellowstone.html

shows that most of the recent quakes are quite shallow--some only a few hundred feet in depth. Not at all what one would expect of an imminent deep-magma "hot-Spot" super-eruption.

I'm with one of the country fire departments. I talk to meteorologists on our weather and climate and how they affect wildland fire behavior. I talk to the geologists about the Park. I get briefed on emergency procedures and evacuation plans, because our department will be instrumental in carrying them out.

I am not a trained geologist, but my training *IS* in astrophysics, so I'm not a complete and utter dimwit.

I pretty-much know what goes on around here.

Let me first tell you about Heart Mountain near Cody, Wyoming. Heart Mountain's geologic layers are upside-down, and matches geologic layers of areas of Yellowstone Park, to the west, (you can read about this in geologist's John McPhee's seminal book, "Rising From The plains"). The last time the Yellowstone "Super Volcano" erupted, it picked up what is now Heart Mountain and deposited it--the whole fracking mountain--upside-down about 100 miles away. That last eruption was a doozy-and-a-half, (I might point out that the wikipedia entry on Heart Mountain is full of what drops out of the south end of a north-bound bull, but that's rather typical of wikipedia).

I might also mention that a small number of geologists believe that there is currently NOT *one* huge magma pool under the Park, but a series of small ones. Their findings cause everything from gasping, sputtering and jaw-dropping to outrage among many "PhDs" and--through decades of experience with other scientists--and academia in general--I therefore believe that handful of geologists are likely correct, (only the truth tends to make tenured hack "scientists" that upset).

Let me tell you the warning signs of a major eruption in Yellowstone Park. A major magma expansion is going to exude pressure onto the rock strata above, (yes, yes, *and* below and to the sides but that's not my point here, read on). High school physics will show the pressure will be expressed as heat.* This heat and pressure will spread--finally--to the geyser-water table under the Park. All the geysers in the Park will start spouting--including those that haven't spit a drop of luke-warm water in decades or centuries. When you see THAT happening, start worrying. Until then, find something else to do.

If the Yellowstone caldera erupts in the fashion it did some 640,000 years ago, Bend Over And Kiss Your Sweet Patootie GOODBYE. There is nowhere on this entire planet you can go and be unaffected by an eruption of that nature, and there are frightfully few places you can go where you won't die within a year or two.

End Part One--Part Two Follows

Part One

There has been much gnashing of teeth and beating of breast and "OMG where do I hide?" about this, and since everyone and his dog has put in his two drachmas' worth, I hope no-one minds if *I* do so. This following is an excerpt from my new blog, which I thought I would start on this nonsensical chicken-little alarm:

I live a short, pleasant drive from the northern entrance to Yellowstone Park. The animals here are behaving normally. The scientists here are behaving normally. The residents here are behaving normally. No-one's worrying about the Park blowing up--except this one, dull-witted, so-called "geologist", (there are LOTS of PhDs in the world, but *damn* few scientists).

There are ALWAYS earthquakes in the Park--hundreds a year. I know when there is one much over a mag 3, because my power-pole does the hula in proportion to the severity of the shock.

A look at the raw data from:

www.quake.utah.edu/req2webdir/recenteqs/Maps/Yellowstone.html

shows that most of the recent quakes are quite shallow--some only a few hundred feet in depth. Not at all what one would expect of an imminent "Deep-Magma Hot-Spot" super-eruption.

I'm with one of the country fire departments. I talk to meteorologists on our weather and climate and how they affect wildland fire behavior. I talk to the geologists about the Park. I get briefed on emergency procedures and evacuation plans, because our department will be instrumental in carrying them out.

I am not a trained geologist, but my training *IS* in astrophysics, so I'm not a complete and utter dimwit.

I pretty-much know what goes on around here.

Let me first tell you about Heart Mountain near Cody, Wyoming. Heart Mountain's geologic layers are upside-down, and match geologic layers of areas of Yellowstone Park, to the west, (you can read about this in geologist's John McPhee's seminal book, "Rising From The Plains"). The last time the Yellowstone "Super Volcano" erupted, it picked up what is now Heart Mountain and deposited it--the whole fracking mountain--upside-down about 100 miles away. That last eruption was a doozy-and-a-half, (I might point out that the wikipedia entry on Heart Mountain is full of what drops out of the south end of a north-bound bull, but that's rather typical of wikipedia).

I might also mention that a small number of geologists believe that there is currently NOT *one* huge magma pool under the Park, but a series of small ones. Their findings cause everything from gasping, sputtering and jaw-dropping to outrage among many "PhDs" and--through decades of experience with other scientists--and academia in general--I therefore believe that handful of geologists are likely correct, (only the truth tends to make tenured hack "scientists" that upset).

Let me tell you the warning signs of a major eruption in Yellowstone Park. A major magma expansion is going to exude pressure onto the rock strata above, (yes, yes, *and* below and to the sides but that's not my point here, read on). High school physics will show the pressure will be expressed as heat.* This heat and pressure will spread--finally--to the geyser-water table under the Park. All the geysers in the Park will start spouting--including those that haven't spit a drop of luke-warm water in decades or centuries. When you see THAT happening, start worrying. Until then, find something else to do.

If the Yellowstone caldera erupts in the fashion it did some 640,000 years ago, Bend Over And Kiss Your Sweet Patootie GOODBYE. There is nowhere on this entire planet you can go and be unaffected by an eruption of that nature, and there are frightfully few places you can go where you won't die within a year or two.

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Part Two

Within 600 miles or so you will be dead in a few days. The further away you are in the northern hemisphere, the longer it will take to kill you, but it will--almost certainly--eventually kill you. The ash is mostly macro-to-microscopic particles of glass, (I can dig down a few yards in my pasture and send you a sample from the last eruption if you wish--it's pretty nasty and never comes out of your skin--don't inhale it), and it will kill much of the animal life--including humans--in the northern hemisphere. And an awful death it will be: The thousands of microscopic shards of volcanic glass you inhale with each breath will slash the alveoli, (air sacs within your lungs), and you will slowly and painfully drown in your own blood.

Then, after a time--not a terribly long time--much of that ash will drift south into the southern hemisphere.

Somewhere in the process, the billions of tons of debris and gases--such as sulfur dioxide--the super volcano will blow into the atmosphere will block the sunlight and cause much of the Earth to freeze. Noontime will look like twilight. Snow and ice will cover the ground everywhere. A large amount of sunlight will be bounced out into interstellar space. Spring and summer as we now know it will simply not occur in many regions, perhaps for years, perhaps for generations--depending on whose models you believe. Thousands of plant and animal species with be extinct in a year or two.

A Yellowstone super eruption certainly won't cause the mass extinctions Earth endured during the asteroid strike 65,000,000 years ago, but most humans will not survive it, simply because:

Because the vast majority of us have our food brought to us by truck and ship and plane--sometimes from many hundreds--thousand--of miles distant.

Because our water is electrically pumped to us through pipes from somewhere-or-other.

Because we depend on our heat from electricity and gas: The eruption will cause those services to fail in much of the world.

Because the infra-structure the majority of us depend on--and blithely ignore--for our very survival cannot, itself, survive such a cataclysm: Part of it will collapse due to the direct, physical assault of the eruption and the remainder will collapse because the humans who operate and service it will be dropping dead by the thousands.

The human race will not die out, but it will be a pale, sickly shadow of what it was the day before such an eruption. Those who do not die of the ash, or the cold, will simply starve, or be the victim of anything from hungry animals, suicidal depression or vicious humans fighting to save themselves.

Realistically, there won't be many of us left.

I am not generally not one to speak in anything approaching absolutes, but the bottom line is:

If there is a "super volcano" eruption in Yellowstone Park of the nature of the last one, you--reading this--almost certainly will not survive it. If there ISN'T an eruption, you are worrying for nothing.

Me? I'm not going anywhere. I see nothing to worry about now. Though if I did, well, I'd prefer the quick death of the blast wave to the slow, agonizing death the rest of civilization would have.

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Part Three

BTW: The "ash fallout map" at:
2.bp.blogspot.com...

--is perfectly circular, which is complete and utter bilge. The explosion will not be uniform, for one thing. No living human being can possibly predict the force--nor ANY--conditions of such an eruption. The eruption will not be nearly instantaneous then coming to a screeching halt. The map also, and obviously, does not--cannot--take into account the speed and volume of the eruption, seasonal weather fronts, trade winds, ground winds, upper winds which vary depending on altitude, winds induced by the massive force of the eruption itself, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. It is a complete fraud. The last Yellowstone eruption spewed ash all the way to the Eastern Seaboard and such ash has been identified by isotopic analysis in Europe, Asia and Africa.

Whoever came up with that map should be first publicly flogged with a copy of the "Principia Mathematica" and then relegated to a job suitable to his level of intelligence--such as flipping burgers.

Ye Gods! Are people so un-educated that they actually fall for this crappola? Doesn't anyone read anymore? Doesn't anyone strive to educate themselves? Doesn't anyone actually know how to do the simplest, grade-school-quality mathematics or research ? Or do they just put down what ever the voices in their heads--or on TV, or the internet--tell them? I fear for the human race, I really do. Seems like so MANY people don't have more than two working neurons--both of which are misconnected.


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reply to post by ATSGUY


I can't believe this...
WE are going to lose a beautiful, wide-open state like Wyoming...but keep New Jersey!!! What kind of B.S. is that. And Nebraska? I sent the most ignorant fuk out of the state of Arkansas to Nebraska and raised the IQ level of both states...

Too bad. Anyways, here's to being safe in Oklahoma!

Do you think the deer, bear, and moose will already be cooked when it lands in southern Kansas?...Mooseknuckle for everyone!

reply to post by Alan McCright


Alan thank you so much for taking your time to inform our naive ATS fear mongers that there is nothing major going on at Yellowstone. And even if there was something major going on most of us wouldn't survive anyways. Unfortunately here at ATS we rely too much on crackpots telling us tales that have little or nothing to do with facts but more to do with fiction or exaggerated and distorted data. ATS needs more intellegent people like yourself. I am extremely glad that you decided to become one of our members. I personally welcome you to debate and inform the misinformed. Thank you so much Alan!

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reply to post by Alan McCright


thats what iv been trying to say, without all the typing.

thank you for taking the time to type it out for me.
but at the very least these quakes in YS where a wake up call for many.
true the danger is still there but its not that iminate .
if at all.

Originally posted by Alan McCright
A Yellowstone super eruption certainly won't cause the mass extinctions Earth endured during the asteroid strike 65,000,000 years ago, but most humans will not survive it, simply because:

Because the vast majority of us have our food brought to us by truck and ship and plane--sometimes from many hundreds--thousand--of miles distant.

Because our water is electrically pumped to us through pipes from somewhere-or-other.

Because we depend on our heat from electricity and gas: The eruption will cause those services to fail in much of the world.

Because the infra-structure the majority of us depend on--and blithely ignore--for our very survival cannot, itself, survive such a cataclysm: Part of it will collapse due to the direct, physical assault of the eruption and the remainder will collapse because the humans who operate and service it will be dropping dead by the thousands.

Actually that does not matter very much. When Toba went off 70,000 years ago we DIDN'T have those dependencies, and yet the great majority of humanity STILL died.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Harry Truman (said old fart) was dragging his heels despite a clearly and overtly active volcano.

When you have a lot of earthquakes you, well, tend to have a lot of earthquakes. They tend to swarm (for obvious reasons). There's nothing about any of this series of events that suggest any kind of major event is in the offing.

Yes, and Im so sure an official geologist would have a MYSPACE page. That should have been the first clue this guy was full of it.

Information may need to go through several hands before data can be released.

Yellowstone is not "owned" by the USA.

Perhaps checking into the political and legal jurisdiction could make a difference as that may have to do with information being released.
(International Biosphere)

Not sure if this has been posted, but here's what Jim Berkland (former USGS, predicted Loma Prieta in 86, etc) had to say about this guy...

I certainly do not advocate immediate evacuation of the Yellowstone area, as was urgently recommended by a pseudogeologist.

link

Yellowstone isn't going to blow any time soon. However, there is a good chance that something might happen in 2012. Also I found out that Yellowstone is on red alert.

Originally posted by Rocketgirl
Yellowstone isn't going to blow any time soon. However, there is a good chance that something might happen in 2012. Also I found out that Yellowstone is on red alert.

Red Alert for What?

Originally posted by j2000

Originally posted by Rocketgirl
Yellowstone isn't going to blow any time soon. However, there is a good chance that something might happen in 2012. Also I found out that Yellowstone is on red alert.

Red Alert for What?

For Yellowstone, it turns out that there is a chance that something could set that sucker off.

Originally posted by Rocketgirl
Yellowstone isn't going to blow any time soon. However, there is a good chance that something might happen in 2012. Also I found out that Yellowstone is on red alert.

There is a good chance something will happen in Yellowstone for every year in Earths existance. Red Alert? links please.

PS: PhD = Piled High and Deep

Originally posted by stikkinikki
There is a good chance something will happen in Yellowstone for every year in Earths existance. Red Alert? links please.

PS: PhD = Piled High and Deep

I don't have a link and yes I'm aware that people on ATS like to see proof. I will try to find some proof online.

Here is a new article about the quakes at Yellowstone.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Originally posted by Kain01
Here is a new article about the quakes at Yellowstone.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Damn good article thank for posting the link.

It's good to know that they are feeling the quakes there and admitting it.