OOBE/ASP - Can you help me get there safely?

Originally posted by IAmD1
when I get ready to grow spiritually life has a habit of keeping me busy with the physical.

Does this ever happen to you? I find the most random things happen like family members becoming agressive or hurtful for no apparent reason or work suddenly takes off

[edit on 10/1/2009 by IAmD1]

Like Caveman said, for some people it just kind of starts to click or flow. I've experienced that very infrequently myself tho.

I usually contend with opposite extremes.

a) everything seems to come up. family, work, personal health, girlfriend issues all stack up to make me want to drink and tune out with my brainless tv/dvr. It often seems like something is diligently pushing me back.

b) at the same time, however, I will experience A LOT of serendipity. I'll think of some obscure concept to do with AP or spirituality.. and bam! someone will say the very same word or the tv or radio will ring out the same phrase or concept.. not like the once in a blue moon type of thing... more like a dozen times per day. In this sense, it seems just as convincingly that something is saying "come on!", "don't give up!"

Like I said, opposite extremes.

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All that I know is that I know nothing -Socrates

Sounds like a biorhythm.

It seems everything goes up and down.

Its interesting how today you might think.. "I should really meditate but I'm busy with my artwork".. 2 weeks later you'll wanna do nothing but meditate and have trouble finding time for your artwork or whatever you were doing for.

I've noticed my energies seem to focus like this.

I had a lot of family and work obligations this year but as my numerology tells me, it sounds like i'm in for a year of being left alone and completely isolated so I can meditate and progress further.

I think I have manifested this. You could also look it like.. "well numerology/astrology said this would happen".. but.. at the same time, its not like we're forced, its more like total agreeance.. how can i explain this.. if astrology says I'm going to not be very communicative next week, and it turns out i'm not, its because I actually don't feel communicative.

So you can kind of chart/predict where you are going but when it comes it seems you'll always be in total agreeance with it, it will feel right. You will be where you need to be.


Its good to get down to the physical though, you have to balance things.

My advice is don't be afraid and relax.
It helps for me to listen to different sound wavelengths, they make you feel kind of like you're vibrating. You can find more info on this and download the wavelengths on the net.

Also, I find it helpful to imagine yourself either rocking or floating. Don't visualize it, just feel it. It may help you get smoothly out.

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"...Our great misfortune is to have our consciousness so fully engaged that we don't have time to pay attention."
(don Juan in "The Art of Dreaming," Carlos Castaneda)

Our energy is designed to be fully engaged, our attention set-up to be overburdened. To overcome this entrapment of our (1st state of) attention with the everyday awareness, one must Intend for the extra energy that is required to become a 'Man of Knowledge' (develop the inner subtle energy self and it's abilities). Intending this will begin as a seed planted, then grow into a very large tree, which is the harvest of one's Intent. In other words, this is a seemingly impossible task, and it is only achievable through Intending the extra energy needed to divert one's consciousness away from the concerns of everyday life.

As don Juan states, our ordinary consciousness cannot cope with the persistence of unbending intent, or focus of spirit, and gives in, crumbles beneath it's onslaught. Utilize this knowledge for yourself, your desires. None of it is fantasy: it's as real as your big toes (pineal center).

"Intending is a subject not for your reason but for your energy body. At this point, you can't comprehend the import of all this, not only because you don't have sufficient energy but because you're not intending anything. If you were, your energy body would comprehend immediately that the only way to intend is by focusing your intent on whatever you want to intend."
("The Art of Dreaming," Carlos Castaneda)

Your Intent will create a source of energy/time for you to accomplish the desired task(s). It is your 'magical self' (energy Double) that engages this. Luck.

[edit on 10-1-2009 by SS,Naga]

Originally posted by SS,Naga
reply to post by IAmD1

 

"...Our great misfortune is to have our consciousness so fully engaged that we don't have time to pay attention."
(don Juan in "The Art of Dreaming," Carlos Castaneda)

SS, let me ask you a question. The silver serpent... Has he ever left you wondering what it all means?

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And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. Rev 13:11

Wise words as always Caveman. Thanks. I have like I said earlier been bombarded with 'other' things to think about for now so it's been hard finding the time to reply. I apologise for that. I have been reading all the great replies, Serinsister, SS, Naga and everyone else. I am glad the discussions has been going as I am not only hoping that this thread will help me but other who might feel like me. So keep the good advice coming

I am still conciously making an effort to think about my fears and to try to investigate them. I agree that this is key to being able to conciously go into OBE/AP. I had a lucid dream the other day and as soon as I tried to create something the opposite would happen. For instance I tried to slowly fly/pull forward and instead I was pulled at superspeed backward. But instead of panicking I just stopped trying and it stopped. I'm trying to work that one out. Usually I don't have that much problems moving around in my dreams. There may be some obstacles but this was really something else. But the possitive thing was that I did not get scared. Uneasy yes but scared no! That's a BIG improvement for me.

Another thing that I have paid extra attention to is my problem with being exposed. Meaning that all my bodyparts have to be covered in bed otherwise I get this creeping feeling like someone is watching or like something is suddenly going to grab me. I felt that same way in my Lucid dream. And I think that's a first atleast that I am aware of. In any case it felt good being able to hold back and not get into a pannick over it and just let it sort of pass.

Baby steps but still. I think your posts have really encouraged me to take back the control myself. I am not afraid of myself so if I am the one creating this fear then I can easily overcome it. At least that's what I keep telling myself.

I am still curious if anyone is interested in helping me ASP. Yes I am very stubborn! I'm not giving up on my initial request.

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I´ve noticed the exposure thing you mention and i find it rather amusing. Having a single bed sheet on makes you feel more protected, shielded. Perhaps it´s something we take from as early as being a baby. I notice you feel more protected with more layers, ha.

In all honesty, its quite ridiculous. These little things get to us though. Lying naked on the bed without any clothes or sheets.

If you don´t feel safe and open in your bed, you might have a hard time projecting. You might get to the sleep paralysis state, struggle, think you´re dying and not be able to allow yourself to project for a while.

It is quite interesting the depths of our fears. They seem so silly once you get over them.

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Yes it is rather amusing when you think of it. A piece of sheet is not going to protect you from anything. I have to say that I have not thought about if the amount of clothes I'm wearing or not makes a difference. I'll have to investigate that one - LOL

Yes that's true but it's the leat of my fears right now I really don't get scared i'm going to die while in paralysis.

Infact I nearly drowned once in my teens and I know that letting go is a beautiful feeling and I will embrace it with all my heart when my time comes. Ever since that day I feel separated from the all. It was as if I knew what it felt like to be everything at once. The sky the clouds the trees the air and me.


You're right once you get over your fears they seem so small and harmless.

Actually It's funny I'm not really afraid of dying so what am I really afraid of? Why am i so fearful? Wow I think I just made an important discovery I need to have a think about the implications of this.

INterested to know if anyone else feel fear but not afraid of dying?

Originally posted by IAmD1
Actually It's funny I'm not really afraid of dying so what am I really afraid of? Why am i so fearful? Wow I think I just made an important discovery I need to have a think about the implications of this.

Interested to know if anyone else feel fear but not afraid of dying?

That's not 'fear of death' you're feeling.

It's fear of Your Soul, the Dweller on the Threshold, that you are are feeling. It contains all the Unconscious Awareness that you've lost and forgotten. In there, you will feel the Truth, the very depths of the Darkest pits that must be plumbed before the heights can ever be Known.

No mistake. No error. In fact, it is so overwhelming, you can feel It's power:

"It is the atoms of your own physical body that serves as the formed substance of dreams, worlds, Solar Systems, Galaxies, Universes and Dimensions. The Will is the instrument that organizes atoms into gateways to experience such things."
("Scales of the Dragon," A.Dragon)

Be aware, what you have forgotten has continued to Grow beyond your capability of understanding. It must be Experienced: faced like a Warrior, and Re-met.

You've read my thread, and choosing not to understand it or believe, is fine. It is all spelled out: there is no escape: It is You: 'Heaven,' Earth & 'Hell,' and All they contain. Besides of which, there is no death (it's just the recycling of energy). But there Sure Is getting Lost in the Abyss. That's your Fear, folks. Stay close to the aprons of the Earth-mother, until you grow Wings of Light. Not allegory. And prepare for Remastering your missing Half, or be torn asunder:

"....The Unknowable is the beast that the Toltecs, the Old Seers, created out of the residual energy of disposed personal history that was not properly taken care of. It was the energy of the holes in their cocoons. It was also the energy of what caused those holes. Take care of all your beasts or else they will rip you apart with all your own energy."
(Don Juan speaking,"Scales of the Dragon," A.Dragon)

[edit on 20-1-2009 by SS,Naga]

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Thanks SS but could you explain your last post. I found it a little confusing to read. I get the general gist but would appreciate getting iit clarified.

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I know some concepts are hard to grasp: I read stuff and say, "what?"
Often, I'll get lucky and come across something similar, go back to it, and surprise myself at getting a better grasp of what the person was trying to convey. It is an effort at times; a little bit of luck helps, too.

But if you just take the gist of it, and realize that your Soul is far more mysterious than can ever be 'conceptualized' (as opposed to direct experiencing), you'll realize it's exposing you to what you're used to being sheltered from. It's the whole purpose of consciousness being seperated into three states, as known by mankind: unconscious, conscious, supraconscious. Many 'supposed' races do not have these seperations, but are able to endure continual full awareness.

The etheric-astral planes/realms are the 4th dimension, inclusive of the upper strata, called 'mental' states (concrete, then, at the upper level, abstract). These are directly experienceable, though folks interpret these division often quite differently. For example, I see two levels of etheric functionability, whereas many might just lump these together.

So, imagine a child being sent out of his familiar surrounding at, say 6-or-7 yrs. of age, with no one to guide or help him/her. It could seem very terrifying, right? The Soul energies are so much more immense and profoundly unknown, that it is almost paralysing for the newly aware human, who is quite childlike in their current state of potential consciousness.

I would go back and read the post, and it's quotes, at some future time, say after several related experiences. It might make more sense then. I have experienced the inner planes from many levels, including the wondrous state of Soul 'body.' It is not something to just define, but has high potential for variations of description between different experiencers.

Also, something I wanted to tell you: substances, or outside influence, can be 'helpful,' temporarily (for most), but it is the lighting of the pineal gland through self-effort that makes this world of awareness easiest to access. 'Keeping the pineal healthy' from a physical standpoint is secondary: it is much more important to be able to 'Light it Up,' which it will do on it's own with the smallest amount of sure knowing (that's it, just knowing!), and self-effort. I best stop here before someone falls down the rabbit hole...

[edit on 21-1-2009 by SS,Naga]

Some books on Astral Travel, etc here users.telenet.be...
(also in the resources section - www.abovetopsecret.com...)

Has anyone used the Monroe Institute 'Gateway' audio tools (cd's played through headphones) or any other Binaural sounds?
The gateway series was designed to 'assist launch'.

There are other alternatives around and binaural audio available for free:
e.g. gnomad.info... (Boxed Nirvana 1 & 2, abyss, inner voice - mp3s)
www.thethoughts.co.uk... , www.jetcityorange.com... (explains Binaural well) , www.skyhero.com... .

Notes for Boxed Nirvana I: "Chakra stimulation, trance and astral projection using harmonic box entrainment.
What is it:
This is an audio track, generated using BWGEN(brainwave generator), which has similarities to HemiSync, Holosync and others - but is free.
Like alt0xFF with his Abyss mp3, I've spent quite a bit of time studying the theory of binaural signals, comparing
BWGEN presets in an attempt to create my own which
a) aids the stimulation of primary and secondary energy circuits
b) puts you into a deep trance state, conducive to astral projection attempts. It also uses a technique called "harmonic box entrainment" which has been reported to increase the effectiveness up
to 3 times. This method is described at groups.yahoo.com..."

More info & links on request

[edit on 22-1-2009 by matsplat]

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Thank you matsplat for the info.

SS Naga - thanks for clarifying.

I think I have reached a turning point in my fear issues and am interested to se what comes out of it. I am preparing to fight the battle with myself if you like. Gathering information about my 'oponent'. Wether it be myself or something else. So thank you all again for sharing with me and most of all bearing with me in this.