OOBE/ASP - Can you help me get there safely?

You will do it when you are ready.. and argueably when you do it the first couple of times, it seems like you're still not ready, I guess thats the reality involved that your subconscious understands.

I could try finding you when I do it but I don't know if I'd remember to when the time comes, but more then that, I'm still working on the more "advanced" stuff. I'm by no means an expert, but I know what works for me since i've started.

The key issue is fear, and you really just have to meditate on it.

I was going to do a podcast on fear but it was hard putting it together, its unfortunate because I wrote it all out a while ago.. I spent literally only a couple nights of meditation to rid myself of many little fears holding me back.

think about it like this, like the chakras, fears based on each.

1. Physical pain, death
2. emotional pain, fear of expressing emotion
3. lack of motivation, lack of willpower, "fear of everything in that case"
4. fear love, expressing it and receiving it.
5. fear of communication and expression..fear of "scary sounds"
6. fear of vision, perception.. "seeing scary things"
7. fear of wisdom / fear of responsibility that it fascilatates as well as change.

Contemplate these things.

You can argue, while projecting.. my physical body is fine.. i won't get hurt physically or die ( so they say, I tried to go through a wormhole before and it wouldn't let me, I don't think you can "lose your soul".. your pretty stuck in place it seems )

So what else is there to worry about while there? Just seeing scary things, feeling scary things, hearing scary things.. can that kill you? If so, i'm not worried about death either so... what is there to fear really? anything?

We fear what we don't understand, so any new experience will make you a bit jumpy.. but thats where experience kicks in.. you start to welcome those scary things... any kind of "entities".. whatever you interpret them as, you start to show your courage, you realise, this thing can't harm me, i'm just going to ignore it etc etc..

I think for a while fear was keeping my 3rd eye shut, and I think it still is on some level.. People get scared if these see ghosts/spirits/things they aren't used to, especially if these things are invisible to us.. we're afraid of what we can't harm /defend ourselves against.. but you gotta get in the mindset that thats not even that relevant.. nothings going to harm you unless you let it. We see scary things, we get over it, so what.. we hear scary things, so what.. the worst thing that you can experience while dreaming / projecting.. just look at it like a horror movie.. its harmless to you, there is nothing to fear.

Eliminate fear, and put the intent that you desire this to happen, and it will happen.. for even if you were to say use my technique and tell your subconscious that you want to wake up in sleep paralysis, well its not going to do it if you're not serious.. it only works for me when i'm really serious.. if i couldn't care less, then it usually won't happen.


Aside from that if you feel you need it.. I believe you can get a guide while projecting if you ask for it.. just ask for one while you are there, see what happens. I've met a couple people I would consider guides there, just hanging around.

Alright thats all I got to say for now.



you can do it, just know you want it, it will happen.

Well being at peace of mind brings out the power that can help overcome the fear, for me oddly enough it is flowers (even though I don't look like a flower type of person ) Though the first few times it may feel scary and you may want others to help you out, I had someone who helped me out a few times, but one day as he helped me he just vanished and left me to myself. So I had to overcome the fears instant, after that experience I'd say it's best to just slowly come to terms with that which you are fearing. You say it's entities? What type?

Originally posted by False Harmony
...I agree River. The key to overcoming inner fear is the realisation that it is merely a limitating human emotion that does not exist...

I've asked another thread. I too am very afraid of "the boogy man" on the other side. I've heard of shadow people and all sorts!

Is there anything to fear? Predators, pitfalls, etc.

Is there any way to properly direct my energy/love?

Is there any way to increase my energy/love?

Can someone really come and help me with the above on the other side?

It's so daunting!

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Thank you. I will try meditating on the issues individually as you say. It's very wise counsel indeed. And yes you're right what is there to fear but fear it self? When you break it down like that it doesn't seem so bad )

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The perfect time for unconditional love is NOW
The perfect condition of unconditional love is ALLWAYS
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Only one L in ALWAYS! Sorry!

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Thanks

hi

first of all take it a step at a time i will send you a u2u with a webpage I feel it may be of importance to find a group of energy workers to learn techniques with for same travelling, first of all you have to learn to protect yourself as the only peson who can protect you is you, hope the link helps

good luck safe travelling

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Thank you I look forward to the u2u.

Originally posted by serin sister
first of all you have to learn to protect yourself as the only peson who can protect you is you,

But Harmony just had me convinced the only thing to fear is fear itself?

Which is it?

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Originally posted by SuperSpark

Originally posted by serin sister
first of all you have to learn to protect yourself as the only peson who can protect you is you,

But Harmony just had me convinced the only thing to fear is fear itself?

Which is it?

Nice one Spark! I was just wondering the same thing!

Originally posted by IAmD1
mmariebored - Thank you I will try to keep this in mind. infact i am using that now. Most evenings I am unable to sit in my livingroom alone browsing after the rest of the family is asleep mainly because i am so fearful. Right now I have a feeling of slipping into OBE and I'm fighting it. I am also terrified of what I might see, sense etc. It is a constant struggle. Funny thing is i have had periods in life of no or very low fear and that's usually when the real scary stuff happens??

When you say "fear", do you mean something like an anxiety attack, only nonstop? Or is it that you're dwelling on thoughts that cause you fear.
If it's anxiety, I used to get those for no apparent reason several years ago until I learned how to regulate my emotions and put myself into an instant calm.
You should try this , it's some of the best meditation and helps you relax and free yourself of unrealistic fears. If you do it often enough, you can learn to put yourself into a relaxed state at any time, particularly when anxiety strikes. I never even get a fearful state of mind anymore and I've learned to push any fear that tries to creep up on me. That happens less and less when you don't "feed" it, btw.



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what harmony said is true, we create our own realities so fear is our own fear so basically through programming so the only one who can conquire fear is within oneself hope that makes sense

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to harmony and serin sister - I understand this but I do wonder if all fear is internal or some fears are actually justified? Fear is a type of warningmechanism for danger. So is there any danger in AP/OOBE that I should look out for and if so what are they how do I protect myself from them. That was really what i was looking for. A list of the type of beings/dangers you might encounter while in AP/OBE and a what not to do if you do encounter one.

Originally posted by IAmD1
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to harmony and serin sister - I understand this but I do wonder if all fear is internal or some fears are actually justified? Fear is a type of warningmechanism for danger. So is there any danger in AP/OOBE that I should look out for and if so what are they how do I protect myself from them. That was really what i was looking for. A list of the type of beings/dangers you might encounter while in AP/OBE and a what not to do if you do encounter one.

your intuition your gut feeling should be your inner guide, we create our own realities by our thoughts maybe think about what you would like to connect with in a positive delightful expereince. set intent

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...yes, intent. But what is intent Sista? Intent is an extension of Will. Will is an expression of Mind/Soul and how many countless Mind/Souls might one encounter, each with its own agenda, whether that be energy acquisition, domination to some degree or worse?

I can't hold back any longer. Either you don't have a clue or never really shook your mortal coil.

I tell you what, no amount of lovey dovey intent will protect you. Here is a free site with lots of excellent intel.

www.montalk.net...

Read up on the metaphyics page.

If you feel terrible fear prior to conscious OBE and/or anxiety, look online for true accounts of Kundalini. "Awakening" can cause all kinds of chaos to the mind and body. Madness even is common if you do not realize what is happening.

Fear afterwards is usually WELL FOUNDED. There are countless energy parasites, aggressive Wills, and more or less a few dozen wars waging.

If you are going to counter that this is not true, I'll stop you now and explain that you are experiencing a controlled/engineered experience (being completely dominated by the Will of another) or never crossed over in the first place (your are deluding yourself and/or others).

I'll consider starting a thread on it if anyone is intrested.

actually you can not tell me what i am or am not doing as you do not know me and you have not an idea of what I have experienced in the past etc, I undersatnd all of what you are saying etc, however I choose not to go there, I am fully aware I know about metaphysics, kundalini awakening blah blah blah, I dont feel the need to put my lifes story up here for people like you to have a pop at me in a negative sense so excuse me for that. I have not judged you so please do not judge me you have no right
thankyou

Originally posted by serin sister
actually you can not tell me what i am or am not doing as you do not know me and you have not an idea of what I have experienced in the past etc, I undersatnd all of what you are saying etc, however I choose not to go there, I am fully aware I know about metaphysics, kundalini awakening blah blah blah, I dont feel the need to put my lifes story up here for people like you to have a pop at me in a negative sense so excuse me for that. I have not judged you so please do not judge me you have no right
thankyou

Do you feel I judged you?

Do you believe I shared my life's story?

Now why do you think I was speaking to you at all?

Is it guilt or shame or fear or all the above or what? After all, there is nothing to fear according to you but fear itself, right?

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Those that know do. Those who do not, teach. -Anonymous Intellectual

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Originally posted by SuperSpark

Originally posted by serin sister
actually you can not tell me what i am or am not doing as you do not know me and you have not an idea of what I have experienced in the past etc, I undersatnd all of what you are saying etc, however I choose not to go there, I am fully aware I know about metaphysics, kundalini awakening blah blah blah, I dont feel the need to put my lifes story up here for people like you to have a pop at me in a negative sense so excuse me for that. I have not judged you so please do not judge me you have no right
thankyou

Do you feel I judged you?

Do you believe I shared my life's story?

Now why do you think I was speaking to you at all?

Is it guilt or shame or fear or all the above or what? After all, there is nothing to fear according to you but fear itself, right?

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Those that know do. Those who do not, teach. -Anonymous Intellectual

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Superspark I am interested in your motivation behind your posts. Do you seek advice and/or help, the 'truth', or are you seeking to query other ideas and experiences. Every experience is personal, unique and regularly challenging to put into text. The only real absolute truth to it is within the person experiencing it.

The one key ideology which mass-applies to the whole of this area is that one can create, visualise and interact within this realm as per their motivations and emotional mind-set (much like this reality but extensively amplified). Every experience, method and resulting consequence is self-triggered by the individual.

Much like fear itself there is no overiding rule-book to 'conquer' this emotion and the higher realm, it's all self driven, created and implemented.

SuperSpark - Please feel free to share your experienced here - that is what i was hoping to do with this thread. To shed some light on beings one may encounter in AP/OBE. Wether or not they are created by self or not I believe is irrellevant. What is rellevant is how they have been overcome by different individuals. If we share these experiences perhaps we can learn new ways to defeat these entities or fears we have as human.

To everyone:
I certainly don't believe that one can be 100% sure what these things are either way it is like GOD best stay out of the discussion about wether he does or does not exist and stick to discussing cause and effect. I hope I'm making sense here and that we can keep this a civilised discussion without it becoming personal