OOBE/ASP - Can you help me get there safely?

Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by serin sister

 

to harmony and serin sister - I understand this but I do wonder if all fear is internal or some fears are actually justified? Fear is a type of warningmechanism for danger. So is there any danger in AP/OOBE that I should look out for and if so what are they how do I protect myself from them. That was really what i was looking for. A list of the type of beings/dangers you might encounter while in AP/OBE and a what not to do if you do encounter one.

Again the only fear is fear itself as this can manifest itself extensively within this environment. I believe for the most purist, non pre-concieved experience you need to fill yourself with unconditional love and self-acceptance, letting go of human ego and mis-understanding. There is no strict rule, teaching or practice to make this leap, it's an internal progression within the individual. This is your greatest and strongest 'protection' and should be 'exhaled' when communicating with any visitor (Not that protection is required in my opinion - as entering with this mentality is a self-fufilling prophecy). We are all powerful entities and all have the complete 'toolset' within our conscience.

What I do find helps ease the human psyche is having an 'exit strategy'. Know within yourself you can leave this realm at any given time and return to this reality.

It's important to realise we are all limitless within the higher realm and there is no absolute truth. The more you enter this environment with pre-concieved ideas and notions the more diluted, fragmented and potentially fearful your experience will be.

Everyone overcomes adversities in their life at a very individual, personal level. What one must realise is that some adversities are required to help us progress. If one doesn't know where they've come from how do they know they're progressing?

The challenge is to understand when one has 'arrived'. Whether this is attainable in this life or not is skeptical...

[edit on 3-1-2009 by False Harmony]

Originally posted by IAmD1
SuperSpark - Please feel free to share your experienced here - that is what i was hoping to do with this thread. To shed some light on beings one may encounter in AP/OBE. Wether or not they are created by self or not I believe is irrellevant. What is rellevant is how they have been overcome by different individuals. If we share these experiences perhaps we can learn new ways to defeat these entities or fears we have as human.

Ok, let me say I disagree with EVERYTHING False Harmony (her name, signature and avatar all seem at odds with her posts) says! Let me address her idea of "the only thing to fear is fear itself"... during obe.

1) Yes, fear is one obstacle. If in combat, whether a school yard fight or military duty or in hyperspace, if one's fear is not controlled, it clouds the mind and slows action. So yes fear is ONE thing to be aware of.

2) To proclaim that one can project their spirit and interact with others with no risk to the spirit simply does not hold up to reason. Is there no risk to one's spirit ever, under any circumstances, let alone when detached from the physical mind/body? To deny the spirit's exposure to the Will's of others is to deny your own Will and Intent. In other words, if you can project your Will, so can others and when two Wills meat, only one is dominant.

3) Discussion of the dangers of OBE/AP, including the Wills of men, non-human entities, energy acquisition/stealing and various technologies: This is an excellent idea for a new thread. Let me gather my resources and energies and I'll post a link to the thread here.

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All that I know is that I know nothing -Socrates

[edit on 3-1-2009 by SuperSpark]

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because you replied to my post that is why i thought you were talking to me...................... I apologise if I am wrong,

mirror mirror

This maybe a helpful link

yes harmony it is a individual journey very much so, its as if peeling away the layers and a journey to explore self




www.robertpeterson.org...

everything you need to know is within...........

Originally posted by SuperSpark
reply to post by mmariebored

 

No offense mmariebored, but I'm flagging your ridiculous post. If anyone falls for this obvious solicitation please DON'T. ATS will not stand for psychic scammers. Not now, not ever.

Here is the punch line to mmariebored's "suggestion" to overcoming your fears:

It would have been nice if you would have U2Ued me to ask me about the site. No one was making anyone pay for anything on that site, as far as I read on there, it's just like this site here, giving away free information in the forum as well as advertising certain author's books(which cost money, btw). But if it bothered you so much that the site offered sessions for money, I would have gladly edited it and linked to the youtube version, which is also free. And let me add, I don't work for those people, I only benefited from the video and wanted to share that help with someone else.

Those who know do. Those who know nothing teach

Maybe you should stop "teaching" in this thread then because according to your quote, it means you know nothing. You're NOT teaching? What a coincidence, neither is anyone else in here. As far as I can tell, we're all just giving our own personal advice and no one is claiming any kind of authority on the issue at hand.

Originally posted by False Harmony
It's important to realise we are all limitless within the higher realm and there is no absolute truth. The more you enter this environment with pre-concieved ideas and notions the more diluted, fragmented and potentially fearful your experience will be.
Everyone overcomes adversities in their life at a very individual, personal level. What one must realise is that some adversities are required to help us progress. If one doesn't know where they've come from how do they know they're progressing?
The challenge is to understand when one has 'arrived'. Whether this is attainable in this life or not is skeptical...

Well put.
It's very true that the best advice given is the advice you give yourself, having experienced for yourself, because everyone's challenge is a little bit different.

[edit on 3-1-2009 by mmariebored]

Originally posted by SuperSpark

Originally posted by IAmD1
SuperSpark - Please feel free to share your experienced here - that is what i was hoping to do with this thread. To shed some light on beings one may encounter in AP/OBE. Wether or not they are created by self or not I believe is irrellevant. What is rellevant is how they have been overcome by different individuals. If we share these experiences perhaps we can learn new ways to defeat these entities or fears we have as human.

Ok, let me say I disagree with EVERYTHING False Harmony (her name, signature and avatar all seem at odds with her posts) says! Let me address her idea of "the only thing to fear is fear itself"... during obe.

1) Yes, fear is one obstacle. If in combat, whether a school yard fight or military duty or in hyperspace, if one's fear is not controlled, it clouds the mind and slows action. So yes fear is ONE thing to be aware of.

2) To proclaim that one can project their spirit and interact with others with no risk to the spirit simply does not hold up to reason. Is there no risk to one's spirit ever, under any circumstances, let alone when detached from the physical mind/body? To deny the spirit's exposure to the Will's of others is to deny your own Will and Intent. In other words, if you can project your Will, so can others and when two Wills meat, only one is dominant.

3) Discussion of the dangers of OBE/AP, including the Wills of men, non-human entities, energy acquisition/stealing and various technologies: This is an excellent idea for a new thread. Let me gather my resources and energies and I'll post a link to the thread here.

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All that I know is that I know nothing -Socrates

[edit on 3-1-2009 by SuperSpark]

Superspark Im sorry that you completely follow resources and pre-concieved knowledge when determining the supposed 'dangers' of OOBE. As with any path in life there is no resolute answer, everyone is learning and progressing.

Every experience in this realm is tailor made for that individual. It is not a question of domination, aggression, negative willpower or motivation. The most purist, knowledgable experiences are those of which the individual removes human ego and approaches with complete self-acceptance and unconditional love.

Feel free to disagree with my claims, but I've only ever offered my experience and my personal truth.

Filling yourself with these harmonic notions overides any projected will or intent.

Originally posted by IAmD1


RiverGoddess - Interesting. I've read that you can have people assist you in going Astral and people meeting on the other plane. What is your take on that?

Good question for me.
I was helped out initially.....and because I requested this help in a thread on ATS.I was answered and asked many MANY questions, regarding fear and my personal understanding of this universe we are in.....after this extensive questioning I was told I would be helped.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
That very night I was 'yanked out'..........it really did happen but it was NO QUICK FIX.........I still then had to start at step one and learn the ropes.
I had no issues with fear, but I have had to take all the steps that one must take to learn this path anyway........practice practice and all that.
Getting a hand out is NO easy fix to OOBE.....you still must travel your own travels and get out by yourself with no fears, in the end anyway so I think it might be the easier path to learn this on your own anyway.

I have NEVER been able to choose when or where I will go to.........many people are this way......if you CANT choose then how are you going to plan to meet up with astral buddies anyway?

If you do this the right way (as taught by Caveman) instead of looking for THE FAST way out you will be far more in control later on and thats a HUGE HUGE deal.



[edit on 12/10/08 by theRiverGoddess]

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess

Originally posted by IAmD1


RiverGoddess - Interesting. I've read that you can have people assist you in going Astral and people meeting on the other plane. What is your take on that?

Good question for me.
I was helped out initially.....and because I requested this help in a thread on ATS.I was answered and asked many MANY questions, regarding fear and my personal understanding of this universe we are in.....after this extensive questioning I was told I would be helped.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
That very night I was 'yanked out'..........it really did happen but it was NO QUICK FIX.........

I have NEVER been able to choose when or where I will go to.........many people are this way......if you CANT choose then how are you going to plan to meet up with astral buddies anyway?

If you do this the right way (as taught by Caveman) instead of looking for THE FAST way out you will be far more in control later on and thats a HUGE HUGE deal.



[edit on 12/10/08 by theRiverGoddess]

hanks RiverGodess - I do understand that being assisted is not a quickfix, I see it more like having a personaltrainer who gets you back on field after an injury. I've already been OB infact all my life I've been doing this involuntarily. ( I remember myself as far back as 1 1/2 - 2 years old) but I have more often than not been yanked out by some entity who just terrifies me. There have been various ones. Since I know that these entities are there waiting for me I find it hard to let go of the fear to go there unassisted. I am now at a stage in my life that I feel in order to move on and continue my developement I need to face these entities and learn all there is to learn i the Astral. However before I take the step to challenging these entities, self inflicted or not, I would like someone I 'know' and trust to yank me out in a way we both agree on. I need to take some control back and this would be a step in the right direction.

So I would greatly appreciate a U2U from someone who would be able to help me with this in the same whay you were helped. I am willing to share my story, experiences and reasons more in depth in a U2U.

Edited to add:

I have also listenend to Caveman's podcast and read his notes on how to achieve AP/OBE through paralysis and I agree with this 100% percent. I could practise doing that but again I am so terrified that I don't even dare to be in a room on my own in the day closing my eyes to meditate. I even keep my eyes open in the shower. I believe this fear has been induced to stop me developing further. Hence I need help. Again I'll explain more in a U2U if someone's willing to help

[edit on 4/1/2009 by IAmD1]

thankyou for sharing ............

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For some basic information on "encounters" in OBE/AP and why many deny their existence, here is a good ATS thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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All that I know is that I know nothing -Socrates

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Thanks SuperSpark

Originally posted by IAmD1
I am now at a stage in my life that I feel in order to move on and continue my developement I need to face these entities and learn all there is to learn i the Astral.

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It's hard to determine what's real and what isn't sometimes. The only sure thing the doubtful ego can accept is that WE are real.. whatever real is. Consciousness refuses to accept its non existence.

What I'm saying is to know one's world one must understand how they fit in it, - to know oneself. Once you understand your place in it all, you start to see how big of a role you play and how much your existence is in your hands. Know yourself, for the world is a reflection of our sense of identity. Our compassion or our hate, our productivity or our destructiveness, our wisdom or our ignorance, it is all reflected into the world around us. It is easy to see our affect on the material level, but what is material? Labels can be confusing... for what is matter but a state of energy? Our scientists will tell you that.. but what is energy?

What seems to be a sure thing is nature has a natural flow.. and where there is disharmony, nature finds a way to balance it. The world around us, the things we do, the things we build.. they start as ideas and manifest before us. This is the power of thought and how it shapes our reality.. how else does thought shape reality? You decide.

Know yourself and your perception of reality will constantly change. The answers others give us only lead to more questions. If what they say does not resonate as personal truth in our hearts then why accept it as such? The answers to "OUR" questions lie within. We know more then we realize.

Do not let yourself be deceived. Do not let fear into your life. Do not be afraid of realizing your potential. Open your heart, search your mind, you will find much latent potential. You will find the strength you need within. True courage isn't gained, it is realized.

Go sit somewhere quite and alone, close your eyes and contemplate these words "I AM".

I need to take some control back and this would be a step in the right direction.

The right direction is the direction that is right for you, thus the more control or the more allowance, the more right. In my oppinion, our direction changes from less desire for control to more allowance to BE as we evolve. Whatever the case, never let anything stop you from living the way that feels right to you.

I could practise doing that but again I am so terrified that I don't even dare to be in a room on my own in the day closing my eyes to meditate. I even keep my eyes open in the shower.

Fear has its basis on nothing, the unknown. Since it's created from nothing, it can be discarded as such. We get so caught up in the feeling though because its so powerful. Its addictive to some. Replace it with an equally strong or stronger feeling such as loving bliss. Much courage can be found in compassion.

If you only knew the signifigance I see in yours and everyone's existence. Such greatness.

I believe this fear has been induced to stop me developing further. Hence I need help. Again I'll explain more in a U2U if someone's willing to help

Fear can serve to show where we are holding ourselves back.

Thanks Caveman - I totally agree that fear serves as a reminder that we are our own worst enemies.

I do also understand the greatness that you see in all of us for I see it too. Compassion and love comes easy for me but maybe the problem that I am facing is that the world around me isn't so loving and forgiving?
I am very confident in my soul but as a person I am much less so. Maybe those are the demons I am facing? Just a thought.

As for the control it is just a way for me to turn the fear into something manageable. I can turn most feelings into unconditional love but my own fear is dificult to change in that way.

You are a powerful healer Caveman. Wether you know it or not. Your words shine. Through your words I have re-gained much old knowledge but also some new insights. It is a relief to be able to discuss these things with like minded. So to all of you thanks for being so great

I will work on getting past this fear but would still like to discuss getting help option if someone is willing to.

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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe this video will help encourage you.

I posted this on Caveman's thread in response to a question and it occurred to me that these treasured simple tips a lot of people take for granted, might be very helpful to newbies.

Simple Tips For OBE/AP

1) Make sure your sleep habits are consistent. Don't drink alcohol, smoke or take drugs, especially within a few days of when you attempt OBE/AP.

2) Perhaps starting with Lucid Dreaming is a better first step for you? Most people experience a lot of lucid dreaming and at least some sleep paralysis prior to OBE/AP.

Personally, I learned lucid dreaming long ago when I read Don Juan. Tell yourself that you will look at your hands in your dream. It helps to stare at your hands prior to sleep and repeating it like a mantra... "I will look at my hands in my dream", over and over again.

3) The next part is REMEMBERING TO DO IT. Don't be surprised if you struggle to remember to do it many times before you finally do. Just be patient. You will be THRILLED when you do! Sometimes, this does lead directly to OBE or AP.

4) If you have trouble remembering your dreams when you wake up (like all those who say "I never dream"), you may very well be experiencing all the above and simply don't recall it!

My personal trick to remembering dreams... Drink a good amount of water right before going to sleep. Keep a notepad and pencil next to your bed. When you wake up to pee, WRITE DOWN A NOTE OR TWO! Just a few words ought to trigger the rest of the memory when you read it the next day. Take a moment each day to type on your memory in a "dream journal". You will in fact be training yourself to remember your experiences.

5) LASTLY, TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOUR PINEAL GLAND!! Here is a good link:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I hope this helps! If anyone has counter-points or suggestions to improve these tips, I'm very interested.

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All that I know is that I know nothing -Socrates

[edit on 6-1-2009 by SuperSpark]

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Thats good advice.

As for drinking water, I sometimes do this to wake me up to remind me "get sleep paralysis when you go back to bed" and this is how I project.

Sometimes taking a piss makes me too awake though.. I just try to wake up earlier on my own and hold back from water the last hours of the night so when I DO wake up on my own, there wont be an uncontrollable urge.

I drink distilled water too.. i make steps to cleanse the pineal gland and I haven't "looked" back.

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I said it is generally A GREAT tip for dreaming/lucid dreaming/astral projection!

1) remembering your dreams is generally a prerequisite to vivid dreaming and OBE (if you don't remember them, they may as well not have happened, right?)

2) and vivid dreaming experiences are generally a perquisite to "sleep paralysis"/"body buzzing"

3) finally, "sleep paralysis"/"body buzzing" is generally a perquisite to astral projection / Out of Body of Experience

I say "generally" in all three cases because it is just so. Many will skip some or all of these.

I am giving this tip to start this chain of achievements.

Drink a lot of purified water just before sleeping so you have to wake up to pee. Jot down a quick note when you do so pertaining to your dream, even if you think its an insignificant one. Later, you will recall all or most of that dream just from that short note. Write the details in a dream log. In essence, you are training yourself to remember your dreams. This will set a framework of experience in which to start being proactive (lucid dream), then the rest.

That's all. Would not recommend it to people further along unless they suddenly stop experiencing altogether (in case they perhaps they simply stopped remembering).

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"I want to feed the pigeons today" -Nikola Tesla when asked by a reporter what more he wanted to achieve in his lifetime

Thank you for the good 'how to's' SuperSpark and Caveman. I've not tried any of it yet as always when I get ready to grow spiritually life has a habit of keeping me busy with the physical.

Does this ever happen to you? I find the most random things happen like family members becoming agressive or hurtful for no apparent reason or work suddenly takes off



Right now it's an important decision that needs to be taken. My mind is mostly occupied with that so everything else in terms of personal developement is suffering. Any ideas on why this happens?

[edit on 10/1/2009 by IAmD1]

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In my opinion, my life seems to suggest that I truly do create my reality. What i'm saying is..

If you truly wish to live a more spirituality directed life, it will become easier to work it into your schedule. Things will happen at work to make it better, or you'll get a new job etc.

It will come. I wish I could give more advice but too many people are talking and I can't think right now.