OOBE/ASP - Can you help me get there safely?

Hi - This is a simple request for some help. I feel I need to take the step towards concious OOBE/ASP but am terrified. I am wondering if there is any one who is master at doing this would be able to come help me achieve OOBE/ASP? And maybe help protect me if necessary?

If you feel can do this type of thing then I would really appreciate your help. Maybe we are a group of people who would like to meet up in OOBE/ASP? Is this even possible. Everylittle bit of info would help.

I would also greatly appreciate advice on entities to look out for good and bad and any insight on how they work.

Bumping my question out there once more.

Thanks

I've never done it intentionaly. Only twice (with the same person) when they were in danger. I was actualy THERE - amazing.

Anyway - the only way I've ever had a part to play in anything purposefully is doing hypnosis for clients who want to expereince this or messing around with it with other hypnotist just for fun.

Although I don't think it's the same thing, you can have the same results (information) with intentional dreaming... information about whats happening right now with someone eles - only it's not like your there, you just get information.

I suppose knowing what you want as an end result would be helpful to give you any info or advice.

CavemannDD put up a good podcast about astral projection here, that might help.

thread here

...I cannot give specifics as every experience is measurable and unique to that individual. What I will say is that do not fear the unknown as fear will only hold you back. Reflect, harmonise and accept yourself as a powerful spiritual body with no limitations. We can be our own worse enemy, fill your heart with love and no harm will ever come to you...

[edit on 1-1-2009 by False Harmony]

Originally posted by mmariebored
CavemannDD put up a good podcast about astral projection here, that might help.

thread here

Yes thanks - I listened to it adn it's a great help. Anyone who doesn't know how to OBE/ASP should listen to it. However I know how to get there just don't want to go it alone.

Originally posted by False Harmony
...I cannot give specifics as every experience is measurable and unique to that individual. What I will say is that do not fear the unknown as fear will only hold you back. Reflect, harmonise and accept yourself as a powerful spiritual body with no limitations. We can be our own worse enemy, fill your heart with love and no harm will ever come to you...

[edit on 1-1-2009 by False Harmony]

Thanx 'Harmony - That's the sort of encouragement I need. Fear is a big issue with me. For some very good reasons though. Have you got any specifics to share, any at all from your own experiences perhaps?

I have posted a countless amount of times in countless astral projection and lucid dreaming threads. If you want, you can search for my posts in the paranormal board and that should give you an extremely detailed account, how-to, and answers many frequent questions about astral projection.

I will say this though, do not be discouraged if you are unable to succeed for the first few months. It takes time to learn how to relax your body enough and enter a half sleep, half awake state but without actually falling into deep REM sleep. Also, the fear of the unknown is probably the #1 hindrance that I encountered while learning how to project. Only time and practice will help you overcome the feelings of uncertainty, so keep up the practice and I promise you that one day you will be able to enjoy a world so vastly beautiful that it could fill endless books.

I do recommend Robert Monroe's technique to start out with, you should be able to find it on google. Its a very simple, straight forward approach that many people seem to have success with.

There is no risk while out of body, nothing can hurt you, and anything said otherwise is only meant to scare you. Best of luck and take care.

And the beings that you encounter while OBE/ASPing? Should they just be ignored?

I don't as I said have a problem getting there it is what is waiting for me there that is the worry. But thank you I will look for your threads on the subject.

...I'd be interested to hear what bad experiences you've had as many of them are self-created and inflicted aswell as what specific information you're after. I should be able to offer my perspective and opinions on these....

...One key learning I feel comfortable to share is that one needs to develop the ability to balance embracing the experience and remaining in control. If you do not embrace the experience you will continue to dilute it and forever hold yourself back. However if you loose your calm fear can immediately develop and extensively project itself in this state of conciousness...

...In reality, I would ensure you enter these sessions with a clear, balanced state of mind, while always keep an 'exit strategy', entering into the experience with the knowledge you have the ability to leave at any appropriate time...

Hi Harmony - I have some experiences similar to deadline527's where something with claws is holding me down whilst trying to enter my physical body, shadowy type beings, somesort of 7 foot dark robed being, grey type being trying to ASP me using some sort of vibration at 3 in the afternoon in a totally awake state. Countless experiences where someone/something else have 'saved' me from various situations. Physical attack while in my body. And the list goes on. However i have had other OBE's where there has been no interference and those are the once I would like to continue exploring. It is just that my fear of encountering these horrible beings is holding me back. That's why I would like someone to 'hold my hand' a few times in the astral plane if you understand what i mean. I need bucketload of reassurance and a friend in the other plane. Does that make sense?

Originally posted by IAmD1
And the beings that you encounter while OBE/ASPing? Should they just be ignored?

I don't as I said have a problem getting there it is what is waiting for me there that is the worry. But thank you I will look for your threads on the subject.

If you're emitting fear, this is why you may experience negative entities.
Fear is like a black hole that sucks bad towards it.
Over-thinkers tend to fear more because they're remembering all the possibilities they've been told about or imagined up themselves.
It's not really the fault of the over-thinker, you just need to move past this by constantly reminding yourself there's nothing to fear but what you invite or make up yourself.

...Do not fear the shadow people. The entities in this realm are self-created and feed off the vibrational outsets of our emotions. The stereotypical 'dark figure' is your detached higher-self surfing this plane of existence. Shadow People 'attacks' are infact one's human conciousness awakening before their higher-self has returned and re-affirmed itself within the body. Recognising this seemingly un-natural seperation causes inevitable feelings of fear and violation, of which in this lucid state project into visualisations of being attacked...

...I posted this in a similar thread, hopefully it will shed some light on these supposed 'evil entities'...

...The only fear you should have is fear itself. Within this realm emotions are amplified and potentially visualised. While other beings do indeed exist every connection, communication and experience with them is self-created and implemented. Hence if you expel feelings of fear and violation, the other spiritual bodies will react and align to these emotions. I know this is challenging as this is a un-natural place to be, but approaching it with transparency, self-acceptance and a willingness to learn is key to progression...

...I myself have experienced two 'attacks' while awake. One which I shared with my brother with a dark entity when I was young and another on my own. Both times the feelings of fear, dread and violation were beyond anything I've ever experienced before. However reflecting and building on these experiences I now know these were all part of me aligning to my higher-self, consequently unlocking my conciousness...

...Ultimately we are all one in this realm and no harm will ever come to you. Accept who you are and make it the experience you want it to be...

Harmony - would you care to tell some more detail about the attacks and how they ended. I.e. did you just snap out of it or did you get help. How did you feel after.

Thanks you are being very helpful

mmariebored - Thank you I will try to keep this in mind. infact i am using that now. Most evenings I am unable to sit in my livingroom alone browsing after the rest of the family is asleep mainly because i am so fearful. Right now I have a feeling of slipping into OBE and I'm fighting it. I am also terrified of what I might see, sense etc. It is a constant struggle. Funny thing is i have had periods in life of no or very low fear and that's usually when the real scary stuff happens??

Well if fear is holding you back, their is always one thing (which I used to do the first time) when I slipped into OOBE from a teacher who helped me get out, he just told me to envision something I'd like to see as I was going out (even though your supposed to keep your mind pretty clear). It confused me, but the moment I got out I wasn't really in my room, nor the house for that matter but for the first time was surrounded by flowers and basically I was simply standing their in the field, So if you ever get fearful about something it's basically think of where you'd like to first start off. That helped me a lot, though not sure if it might help or not either.

Originally posted by IAmD1
Harmony - would you care to tell some more detail about the attacks and how they ended. I.e. did you just snap out of it or did you get help. How did you feel after.

Thanks you are being very helpful

..We are all powerful. Help is grown from within once one realises that you can get all the help you need from yourself. I hope that makes sense to some extent...

...I dont want to extensively divulge into my experiences as the catalogue is extremely varied and now exceeds over a decade. There are a lot of question marks for me but this is all part of life, searching, exploring and progressing with ones path...

...These two experiences (referred to previously) that I had while awake I felt mentally attacked, almost sabotaged by these entities. Both times I felt strong vibrations, almost buzzing like states, with sensations of being drained, exploited and harrassed. Demonic iconography passed through my mind-set. I have never been physically 'attacked' while awake but I believe these experiences took shape how they did through me following the human innate sense of fear of the unknown. This was projected back on me by the entities of which the experience was therefore rendered 'unpleasant'. For me the majority of my human fear was conquered in this plane of existence, hence the ability to embrace future experiences in every state has been heightened. In this instance, these two experiences ended through me leaving the immediate area and re-establishing my mindset...

...Every experience brings about more questions. It is only the inter-linking of each which can bring about answers, but these will only ring true to that individual....

[edit on 1-1-2009 by False Harmony]

Originally posted by IAmD1
I feel I need to take the step towards concious OOBE/ASP but am terrified.

What you say above guarantees it won't happen for you. Your asking others to come and protect you..............OOBE is about protecting yourself, about the inner knowing of your own divinity.
If you can not overcome your fear it won't happen.
Nobody CAN come and save you if your not mentally and emotionally prepared to save yourself as this is the core struggle of life I think.

conscious OOBE is rare for this reason. People who can not get out of their own way never get to experience it, and shouldn't for a good reason..if your not in control of your own mind and thoughts enough to not be afraid, then your in NO WAY ready for the experience.

You should meditate and gain the mental control you need to be able to advance on this spiritual quest.
OOBE is all about overcoming your fear and getting over your own ideas of how things 'should be'.......your going to have to step away from the thoughts of what your ego based mind thinks you need, and follow the path that emotionally feeds whatever emptiness your feeling in your life that causes you such terror, before this door will ever open for you.
Fear is the lock on this door.
Overcoming your inner fears is the key, and nobody can hand you this key that only you yourself can find.

[edit on 12/10/08 by theRiverGoddess]

...I agree River. The key to overcoming inner fear is the realisation that it is merely a limitating human emotion that does not exist...

LokMessier/ False Harmony / theRiverGoddess

Thank you for your different replies.

RiverGoddess - Interesting. I've read that you can have people assist you in going Astral and people meeting on the other plane. What is your take on that? otherwise you're implying going IBE into your body instead of out. If you travel within of course no one can go there with you. But If you are outside of your body you should be able to meet with other people the same as you do here in the 3D world. Am I right?

LokMessier - Great idea but I think one of my problems are that I don't have a place where i feel entirely safe from harm from these entities.

Harmony - Thanks again for sharing your insight.