Israeli warplanes pursue Gaza weapons warehouses

RFBurns and Alyosha:
You are very open minded people.
Please, if I may ask you to read some articles here...
www.xeeatwelve.net...
You will probably think this stuff is crazy at first. I did. But as I read and re-read it several times it made total sense.

u2u me if you care to as a discussion on those topics would be off-topic here.


[edit on 28-12-2008 by Muundoggie]

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Thanks for linking us up! I am going over it now.


Cheers!!!!

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Maybe even worse as it general attacks you right in you home, even the notion of the diliberate planning of this type of warfare(as Janus put it ) is like planning death in an of it self, what are the rammifications of the global community being swayed and the conflict going from bad to waaaaay bad, bush excersises his policey and stays in office and then plunges the U.S into this head on, scary

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Thanks for giving me a new perspective on this whole thing I will read the articles and I'll let you know what I think but as for now I'm scared, scared for all of the innocents on both sided over there who will suffer more then the ones calling the shots, their in my prayers

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It all seems to lean in that direction doesnt it...this situation in the middle east, at the end of the year, during the holiday season, an outgoing president and administration that put into law procedures that can literally change the entire face of what we know as America, the threat of an outright war involving several nations, decleration of national emergency to keep an outgoing president in office, the historical records of everything that all seem to point to a very unpleasant picture.

I dont try to dwell on these things tho I do think about them. I have taken the last 20 some odd years to prepare for worst case scenario so that I and my family will survive as best we can.

I am not a religious person, but I think that a devine intervention is much needed now before things do get way out of hand.



Cheers!!!!

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Aside from devine intervention, why can't Israel and Palistine re negotiate the cease fire with terms that both can agree on in a mutual setting( not the UN) and put the welfare of their people first and foremost instead of talking with their weapons? I know you had posted their cycle of violence and peace earlyer in the thread but WTF! is this all for what I don't know and someone sure the heck is pulling some strings because on linking all of the things I just learned from this thread this is part of a much bigger plan and it's scary. Here is another report on this second day of attacks as well news.yahoo.com...
Edid to add link.

[edit on 28-12-2008 by alyosha1981]

Originally posted by alyosha1981
reply to post by RFBurns

 

Aside from devine intervention, why can't Israel and Palistine re negotiate the cease fire with terms that both can agree on in a mutual setting( not the UN) and put the welfare of their people first and foremost instead of talking with their weapons? I know you had posted their cycle of violence and peace earlyer in the thread but WTF! is this all for what I don't know and someone sure the heck is pulling some strings because on linking all of the things I just learned from this thread this is part of a much bigger plan and it's scary.

In 1978, former president Jimmy Carter tried to bring both Israel and Palestine together here in the US, known as the "Camp David Peace Accords", both sides were as stubborn as muels and nothing was accomplished.

There were many other arrangements to meet at the negotiation table but all failed to achieve peace.

Here is a site with a nutshell history of the last 40 years of attempts to find a peaceful solution in the region.

40 years in search of Arab-Israeli peace.



Cheers!!!!

[edit on 28-12-2008 by RFBurns]

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Thanks for the link I'm checking it out now, it seems to be like a broken record with these two, and the stubborness of not willing to make a peace accord meanwhile the powers that be keep pulling the strings to puppet one in one direction and one in the other.

Here comes the propaganda, i am not going to even start about the stupid public going to believe anything they see on the news. I just saw the israeli defence minister on american tv, he looked so happy.

The people flying those planes are pure scum, like americans before them. they never fight anyone that can fight them back.

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I hope that Palistine has not gotten their hands on any type of nuclear device even a small one, but they seem perfectly capable of fighting back as thy have for the last 40 years.

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Do you want to know what is really sad about all this alyosha? Right now, right here at ATS, in another thread, there is this rediculous debate over photos and videos of the devistation and obvious impact on the innocent civilians getting hurt and killed as to if they are real or faked!!!!

I dont know which is worse, those two sides over there killing each other like this..or the senseless nth degree analyzation of photos and videos of the obvious blooshead from the attacks announced to the world just minutes before they actually happen!!!

I just dont know what to think about all this anymore. Which is more important to the public here in the US....debate over 1 photo vs thousands being fake or real...or the on-going devistation and obvious killing in Gaza and Israel?

I just do not know anymore.




Cheers!!!!

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I didn't even know about that thread, that's B.S, but you know how things are are around here, nothing is what it seems, at times and some people actually like to see stuff like that, thats sick! honestly there's people dying right now and the validity of some photos takes precedence...wow I wonder what the refugees over there would have to say about the validity of those pics?

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I think that alot of it is because it is not happeing in the backyards of the armchair judgemental populace who cannot see with their own eyes and hear with their own ears and recognize real death with their own minds because right now, birds are chirping and the neighborhood is quiet and peaceful.

It may very well take something even more devistating to happen before these certian types actually come to the realization, that reality is hitting them right in the face and has been all along.

I hope it doesnt have to come to that...but I just dont know anymore.




Cheers!!!!

Watching a film of one bombing run showed after the explosion, some of the rockets that were hit were seen misfiring in circles, yep, they found some more rockets that were going to be launched.

Isn't it about time we blame the ones who started theirs, the daily attacks from Hamas terrorists.

The daily attacks caused a military response that they more than deserve.

For those whop support the terrorists, how would you deal with some group of terrorists attacking you daily.

We all know anyone would do the same.

Let us remember how Russia handled its Muslim terrorist problems......

They did the same and much, much more.

This is brought up only because some think Russia will interfere and defend the original attackers, the Hamas terrorists, they have NO moral high ground on dealing with Muslim terrorists.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Watching a film of one bombing run showed after the explosion, some of the rockets that were hit were seen misfiring in circles, yep, they found some more rockets that were going to be launched.

Isn't it about time we blame the ones who started theirs, the daily attacks from Hamas terrorists.

The daily attacks caused a military response that they more than deserve.

For those whop support the terrorists, how would you deal with some group of terrorists attacking you daily.

We all know anyone would do the same.

Let us remember how Russia handled its Muslim terrorist problems......

They did the same and much, much more.

This is brought up only because some think Russia will interfere and defend the original attackers, the Hamas terrorists, they have NO moral high ground on dealing with Muslim terrorists.

You know something..your really starting to bore the hell out of me. Do you just ignore history or is it that you do not wish to recognize the faults by both sides that caused all of this?

Obviously you do not want to see the entire story, just the one side that you want to say is totally innocent of any wrong doing whatsoever. When right there in historical record, clearly shows the guilt by all parties involved.

When you open your eyes and open your closed mind to the historical record which includes dirty deeds done by IDF to make Hamas act as they do, as well as the acts by Hamas that makes IDF do what it does, perhaps then I wont be so board by your one sided point of view.




Cheers!!!!


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Funny how some people want to accuse others of not seeing both sides when they themselves refuse to see both sides.

They are tired of being shown how it is Hamas's attacks that cause "COUNTER" attacks.

If you turn a blind eye to the cause, the Hamas attacks, then you are blind to the cause.

Perhaps people need to look at the cause, Hamas.

Perhaps people need to cry, if Hamas did not attack, they would not receive "COUNTER" attacks.

It is Hamas that is the cause of death and destruction.

I know, how dare I blame the terrorists that caused the problem instead of the solution to the terrorists.

The thing that pisses me off the most about this is the fact that last time I heard this story it was happening in Iraq when I was there. They did not bomb any weapons warehouse, they bombed the infrastructure to companies that made things like baby formulas.

I think it is plain to see who is the coward in this conflict. Israel has a powerful lobbying and propaganda force indeed. And they should realize that killing palestinians is only a temporary solution, because they will never go away, and they will only get more desperate and lethal.

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Remember, that was proven nothing but propaganda.

Did you notice that the only sign in English in the whoie country was that one.

Did you notice that sign was there only AFTER, the remote command-post was hit???

how does one stop a war once it's started?

just stop! investigate, investigate, investigate.

once again we have oppressed people supposedly attacking the most powerful, ruthless army in the region with said army retaliating.

False Flag

our ignorance allows these things to happen. someone wants to create an end times scenario and the insane perpetrators must be stopped. start here with the bush family. take them into protective custody. they are more controlled than probably anybody on earth. it's a sickness that we've allowed to go on forever.

every conspiracy theory that has come along since the turn of the century has had a connection to this family.

bring them in and let them talk...and beg our forgiveness...and help them heal their tortured minds and souls. we got a whole manchurian family at the top of the political ladder. they're compromised and are easily manipulated into doing or condoning things nobody in their right mind would.

they are by no means the only people in the world who have compromised themselves but they are the most visible and have the most obvious illusion of "power."

everybody's got something on someone else. it's past time to show what we have learned. stop with the religious mumbo jumbo and recognize the power has always been within to do right or wrong. stop creating entities to blame for our lack of understanding (lucifer, satan) and stop pinning your hopes on god or jesus to save us. we got us into this mess, only we can get us out.

otherwise, i'd say we're doomed to creating our own fate by letting obviously insane people create it for us while we sit by and watch.