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Whats going on at yellowstone?
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reply to post by ressiv
You're most welcome!
This is definitely worth mentioning and taking a closer look at. Anything over a 3.0 causes me to raise an eyebrow, but the signature on YMR that you mention was definitely not normal background chatter.
You can see the normal traffic noise begin at 8:00 AM as usual, then all of the sudden it goes into hyperdrive at around 1400.
As I mentioned, the signature was also recorded on other, less sensitive stations such as YPM.
YMR capture of Event:
From a layman's perspective I see movement, movement, movement, CRACK! Then, it subsides shortly thereafter.
We need some expert opinions, but from this rummies viewpoint I see intrusion written all over it.
You're most welcome!
This is definitely worth mentioning and taking a closer look at. Anything over a 3.0 causes me to raise an eyebrow, but the signature on YMR that you mention was definitely not normal background chatter.
You can see the normal traffic noise begin at 8:00 AM as usual, then all of the sudden it goes into hyperdrive at around 1400.
As I mentioned, the signature was also recorded on other, less sensitive stations such as YPM.
YMR capture of Event:
From a layman's perspective I see movement, movement, movement, CRACK! Then, it subsides shortly thereafter.
We need some expert opinions, but from this rummies viewpoint I see intrusion written all over it.
edit on 12-1-2014 by sageturkey because: Add
yep normaly you will look to HT ...but supervolcano's are not the usual strato volcano's..very different system ! so I guess that wat we see is an
magmatic picture....ore maybe gas of steam....
but wat do we really know of the nature of the beast....
an champane bottle with an 5 miles cork on it....how would it "plop"
but wat do we really know of the nature of the beast....
an champane bottle with an 5 miles cork on it....how would it "plop"
edit on 12-1-2014 by ressiv because: (no reason given)
Well I'm no expert, but I can offer an informed opinion on those signatures.
Frequency content analysis showed no seismic content to that which appears to be tremor at YMR and the other stations. It was a single seismic event that happened near the end of a bunch of wind noise in the park. I believe if you check wind velocities for that day at YS, you will find they were probably above 20 mph, which seems to be a rough threshold for wind showing up on seismometers there. But the frequency content was enough for me to take one look and brush it off. Otherwise, there'd be a thread at the top of ATS by now announcing harmonic tremor detected at YS- and most likely, written by me- with graphs, pretty pictures, and some kind of basis for an argument to that effect. Hope that helps.
Frequency content analysis showed no seismic content to that which appears to be tremor at YMR and the other stations. It was a single seismic event that happened near the end of a bunch of wind noise in the park. I believe if you check wind velocities for that day at YS, you will find they were probably above 20 mph, which seems to be a rough threshold for wind showing up on seismometers there. But the frequency content was enough for me to take one look and brush it off. Otherwise, there'd be a thread at the top of ATS by now announcing harmonic tremor detected at YS- and most likely, written by me- with graphs, pretty pictures, and some kind of basis for an argument to that effect. Hope that helps.
reply to post by TrueAmerican
Indeed it does help, thanks!
One question though, I live in Wyoming and the wind blows evil hard quite often. Not so much in Yellowstone, but here in Central Wyoming it's just wicked. I've never been about knocked off my feet from the wind until I moved here 15 years ago.
20mph is considered a calm day here. They call 80mph a hurricane? We call it Wednesday...
If it's the wind, wouldn't we see it show up in that fashion more often? I don't recall seeing that kind of signature before, ever. 5 hours of solid blowing, then it just quits shortly afterwards? Pretty unusual...
Now if one were able to show me other days when the YMR display looked like that (even without the EQ), then I would likely acquiesce. Having worked at YS many times, I can say without question that it blows over 20mph quite often there.
Indeed it does help, thanks!
One question though, I live in Wyoming and the wind blows evil hard quite often. Not so much in Yellowstone, but here in Central Wyoming it's just wicked. I've never been about knocked off my feet from the wind until I moved here 15 years ago.
20mph is considered a calm day here. They call 80mph a hurricane? We call it Wednesday...
If it's the wind, wouldn't we see it show up in that fashion more often? I don't recall seeing that kind of signature before, ever. 5 hours of solid blowing, then it just quits shortly afterwards? Pretty unusual...
Now if one were able to show me other days when the YMR display looked like that (even without the EQ), then I would likely acquiesce. Having worked at YS many times, I can say without question that it blows over 20mph quite often there.
edit on 18-1-2014 by sageturkey because: Add
A book by John Casey called the cold sun ......we are to expect more earth quakes and volcanos
reply to post by TrueAmerican
so with the 3.4 eq the wind stopt blowing...as the seismo's shows...really????????
my idee is that wat it shows is an convection stream in the lava chamber...
an mass of hotter lava rose up through the cooler lava in the chamber and spatterd to the ceiling....
so with the 3.4 eq the wind stopt blowing...as the seismo's shows...really????????
my idee is that wat it shows is an convection stream in the lava chamber...
an mass of hotter lava rose up through the cooler lava in the chamber and spatterd to the ceiling....
edit on 19-1-2014 by ressiv because: (no reason given)
As an example to my post above, Monday the 13th was an incredibly windy day here. In looking at the YMR display, you can see that it was at
Yellowstone as well. Blew all day, consistently.
Now I really do respect TA's opinion, I really do - I think that his frequency analysis can pretty much rule out HT. I don't think it was wind though...
What showed-up on the display before the EQ really doesn't compare to this example.
Now I really do respect TA's opinion, I really do - I think that his frequency analysis can pretty much rule out HT. I don't think it was wind though...
What showed-up on the display before the EQ really doesn't compare to this example.
edit on 19-1-2014 by sageturkey because: Add
reply to post by sageturkey
Hi Sageturkey. I can't tell you exactly what caused the hours of "noise" preceding the Mag 3.4, but I can show that it definitely wasn't associated with the earthquake, and most probably was from above ground.
This map is from the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory monitoring page. I had to change the "days shown" slider to "7" to get the Mag 3.4 to show up.
I circled the YMR station, the borehole station B206 is also shown, just below the 3.4 epicenter.
As you can see, B206 is much closer than station YMR. So, if that "noise" signature was seismic or volcanic in nature, surely it would show up on station B206.
Nope. Take a look B206
Right next to station 206 is station Yellowstone Upper Falls, YUF
On station YUF, I can just barely make out the "noise" signature. (Stations YUF & YMR are both at the surface, B206 is 74 meters/243 feet below ground)
I hope this helps ease your mind. Between TA confirming the absence of low frequency content of the "noise" signal (which is truly the only definitive way to tell) and the stations closest to the epicenter of the Mag 3.4, not showing the noise--I'm confident there is nothing to worry about.
Hi Sageturkey. I can't tell you exactly what caused the hours of "noise" preceding the Mag 3.4, but I can show that it definitely wasn't associated with the earthquake, and most probably was from above ground.
This map is from the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory monitoring page. I had to change the "days shown" slider to "7" to get the Mag 3.4 to show up.
I circled the YMR station, the borehole station B206 is also shown, just below the 3.4 epicenter.
As you can see, B206 is much closer than station YMR. So, if that "noise" signature was seismic or volcanic in nature, surely it would show up on station B206.
Nope. Take a look B206
Right next to station 206 is station Yellowstone Upper Falls, YUF
On station YUF, I can just barely make out the "noise" signature. (Stations YUF & YMR are both at the surface, B206 is 74 meters/243 feet below ground)
I hope this helps ease your mind. Between TA confirming the absence of low frequency content of the "noise" signal (which is truly the only definitive way to tell) and the stations closest to the epicenter of the Mag 3.4, not showing the noise--I'm confident there is nothing to worry about.
edit on 1/19/2014 by Olivine because: add a thought
reply to post by sageturkey
To be honest, once I can determine the signature to be in the noise department, and not seismic, I don't really care whether the noise was wind, electromagnetic, mechanical, vehicular, or whatever. Rare cases do arise like at MCID, where it appears we have some tree roots that, when agitated by high wind, are close enough to the instrument to cause me a lot of grief by generating frequencies low enough to be confused with seismic energy. At least, that is what I am told by the real experts- that it is wind/trees/roots/ground- and not vicious, evil Harmonic Tremor about to kill us all.
To be honest, once I can determine the signature to be in the noise department, and not seismic, I don't really care whether the noise was wind, electromagnetic, mechanical, vehicular, or whatever. Rare cases do arise like at MCID, where it appears we have some tree roots that, when agitated by high wind, are close enough to the instrument to cause me a lot of grief by generating frequencies low enough to be confused with seismic energy. At least, that is what I am told by the real experts- that it is wind/trees/roots/ground- and not vicious, evil Harmonic Tremor about to kill us all.
huntergatherer
This afternoon and evening there has been 14 quakes at the park. While this may somewhat normal, I dont understand as to why all of these quakes are centered in Yellowstone Lake. Alot of red squares from USGS. Any seismic activity there raises red flags, but this seems to weird.
Ok, I think the fact that this thread is 6 years old now tells us the answer to "what's going on at Yellowstone"...the answer is: quite alot, daily, and will probably remain that way for the next 1000 or so years..when this thread will probably still be going I imagine.
it is an supervolcano we talking about....all data like ht waves..ect ect. we know from other volcano's are useless in this case..
there will be no magma flowing ..cause its already there..
so.... if we get seismo's like the bunch we are talking about ore any other weird stuff take it seriously! learn about it ..
couse there just aint any data to compare it with availible....
no-one of modern humanty has ever witnessed ore monitord an super volcano
we just do it less than 50 years....far to little to even understand the system...
and Always keep in mind that an wall street crasch is faaaar much worser than an VEI 8
there will be no magma flowing ..cause its already there..
so.... if we get seismo's like the bunch we are talking about ore any other weird stuff take it seriously! learn about it ..
couse there just aint any data to compare it with availible....
no-one of modern humanty has ever witnessed ore monitord an super volcano
we just do it less than 50 years....far to little to even understand the system...
and Always keep in mind that an wall street crasch is faaaar much worser than an VEI 8
edit on 20-1-2014 by ressiv because: (no reason
given)
ressiv
Always keep in mind that an wall street crasch is faaaar much worser than an VEI 8
I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of... disagree with you there. A VEI-8 could end the human race, you know. Wall Street crashing is worse than that?
And something for you and everyone else to keep in mind, please: harmonic tremors CANNOT be seen on seismograms. They're too high-frequency. A typical seismogram can't show anything faster than, lemme calculate it... 720 pixels showing 15 minutes of time means 0.8 pixels per second, so, 1.6 Hz, and HTs are typically at least 5 Hz. Yes, since it's a supervolcano, some tubes might be bigger and thus might produce a lower-frequency oscillation, but there'd surely be smaller tubes there too, big and small ones, all over the place. The damn thing would sound like Vulcan's personal pipe organ if magma started intruding at threatening levels, like a volcanic symphony, and all the media would be screaming about how doomed everyone is. They love telling us when we're doomed.
If Yellowstone starts to go off, you won't have to ask ATS if it's going off or not. The "news" outlets would be unable to suppress it if they tried. It would require totally disabling Twitter and Facebook and ATS and every other blog/social site to stop news of it from spreading. They'd have to pull their Internet Kill Switch to keep the world from knowing. So the next time anyone sees a noisy seismogram, just remind yourself: if you still have an internet to see it with, and CNN is still showing "normal news" and commercials, Yellowstone isn't showing signs of erupting. HTs might not show up on seismos, but there are plenty of tools out there that CAN show them, and it ain't just the USGS who can use them. TA could use a spectral analyzer to see HTs, for instance. So could I and many others. And if it was happening, we would not now be telling you "It isn't happening." We would be fighting traffic to spend our last days with our loved ones, and thus unavailable for comment.
PS, Olivine: since they do only show maps for limited time spans at YVO and pretty much every other "official" data outlet, you can always use this page to research Yellowstone earthquakes. I've got every quake they've recorded since 1970 in there and many ways to view them, even in GoogleEarth (tm) and CSV exports, and every seismogram since late 2003. I wonder why they don't... hmmmmmmmmm...
reply to post by PuterMan
I think another similar articles can be found here.
Yellowstone Supervolcano 2.5 times bigger than previously thought
Study: Yellowstone magma much bigger than thought (Update)
Yellowstone supervolcano 'even more colossal'
The supervolcano beneath Yellowstone National Park is more than twice as big as previously thought.
Study: Yellowstone magma much bigger than thought
Funny that this link abcnews.go.com... have disappeared.
I think another similar articles can be found here.
Yellowstone Supervolcano 2.5 times bigger than previously thought
Study: Yellowstone magma much bigger than thought (Update)
Yellowstone supervolcano 'even more colossal'
The supervolcano beneath Yellowstone National Park is more than twice as big as previously thought.
Study: Yellowstone magma much bigger than thought
Funny that this link abcnews.go.com... have disappeared.
edit on 20/1/2014 by Roald because: (no reason given)
. A VEI-8 could end the human race, you know.
No, it couldn't. Not even close. The VEI-8 Toba eruption 75,000 years ago didn't even end primitive human life in areas with heavy ash fall. Archaeological digs show the same kind of amount of stone tools above and below the heavy Toba ash fall in India.
news.nationalgeographic.com...
If primitive man could survive, then modern man with our food storage, agricultural technology, etc certainly could.
edit on 20-1-2014 by rigel434 because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Thought Provoker
" if magma started intruding at threatening levels"
thats my point.... its already there ...no need to intrude....
" if magma started intruding at threatening levels"
thats my point.... its already there ...no need to intrude....
reply to post by TrueAmerican
reply to post by Olivine
Thanks much for your replies TA (and you too Oli), they sure do help to get rid of the ????????? that float around in my noggin.
I didn't necessarily take a close look at B206, but that was one thing that had me questioning the origin. It did show up on other stations that don't normally register a lot of the noise (ie: YPM) such as vehicular traffic that is normally seen on YMR.
I've learned to at least check surrounding stations to see if they caught anything, but I must have missed B06 nearby.
Today she's a bit restless again, showing up pretty much across the board on surrounding stations. Probably nothing that a few million tons of Alka Seltzer wouldn't cure though...
www.quake.utah.edu...
I try to not get too excited about the activity at YS, I keep those 'OMG it's gonna blow' thoughts pretty well in check for the most part. I do however, try to regularly peek at what's going on and ask questions if at first glace something seems funky.
I have to laugh at the comments from those that come on here and ridicule any questions that we have about our beloved superbeast though. So the thread has been going for how long now? 6 whole years? Wow, that's got to be about a whole nanosecond in geological time...
The fact remains, that according to the top names in the field - it's overdue. It's been said many times here, will it happen tomorrow? 100 years? 1000 years? 10,000 years? We don't know, but does that mean that no one should pay attention?
Chances are good that we won't see an eruption in our lifetimes right? See, that's the thing - no one can say for sure. If it's possible though, to have even an inkling that something might be amiss, then why would we not want to know that?
We don't have to spend our time obsessing about it, but what's the harm in paying attention? I'm just over 350 miles away, if I could be given even the slightest heads-up that things were not good there then I would take it. If things looked really dicey, then I would leave. Away. Vamoose. Exit stage left. I'll take my chances with the aftermath...
Sure beats standing there like a deer in the headlights, not moving because we can't comprehend the danger that's heading right at us. This week that analogy rings pretty true for me, I hit a deer last Friday night doing 75mph. Ran out from the median right in front of me, had about 1 second to react. If I would have had some kind of technology (thermal imaging perhaps) that would have given me even 3 more seconds of warning, I could have possibly avoided the 'meeting'.
I appreciate input from all parties concerned.
I would still invite anyone though who comes on to fire off their cute little snips, to please locate a very tall copper pole. Wait for a thunderstorm and climb to the highest spot nearby and hold on to the pole. Chances are good that nothing will happen - but you never know, I might just get lucky
reply to post by Olivine
Thanks much for your replies TA (and you too Oli), they sure do help to get rid of the ????????? that float around in my noggin.
I didn't necessarily take a close look at B206, but that was one thing that had me questioning the origin. It did show up on other stations that don't normally register a lot of the noise (ie: YPM) such as vehicular traffic that is normally seen on YMR.
I've learned to at least check surrounding stations to see if they caught anything, but I must have missed B06 nearby.
Today she's a bit restless again, showing up pretty much across the board on surrounding stations. Probably nothing that a few million tons of Alka Seltzer wouldn't cure though...
www.quake.utah.edu...
I try to not get too excited about the activity at YS, I keep those 'OMG it's gonna blow' thoughts pretty well in check for the most part. I do however, try to regularly peek at what's going on and ask questions if at first glace something seems funky.
I have to laugh at the comments from those that come on here and ridicule any questions that we have about our beloved superbeast though. So the thread has been going for how long now? 6 whole years? Wow, that's got to be about a whole nanosecond in geological time...
The fact remains, that according to the top names in the field - it's overdue. It's been said many times here, will it happen tomorrow? 100 years? 1000 years? 10,000 years? We don't know, but does that mean that no one should pay attention?
Chances are good that we won't see an eruption in our lifetimes right? See, that's the thing - no one can say for sure. If it's possible though, to have even an inkling that something might be amiss, then why would we not want to know that?
We don't have to spend our time obsessing about it, but what's the harm in paying attention? I'm just over 350 miles away, if I could be given even the slightest heads-up that things were not good there then I would take it. If things looked really dicey, then I would leave. Away. Vamoose. Exit stage left. I'll take my chances with the aftermath...
Sure beats standing there like a deer in the headlights, not moving because we can't comprehend the danger that's heading right at us. This week that analogy rings pretty true for me, I hit a deer last Friday night doing 75mph. Ran out from the median right in front of me, had about 1 second to react. If I would have had some kind of technology (thermal imaging perhaps) that would have given me even 3 more seconds of warning, I could have possibly avoided the 'meeting'.
I appreciate input from all parties concerned.
I would still invite anyone though who comes on to fire off their cute little snips, to please locate a very tall copper pole. Wait for a thunderstorm and climb to the highest spot nearby and hold on to the pole. Chances are good that nothing will happen - but you never know, I might just get lucky
edit on 21-1-2014 by sageturkey because: Add
gold-silver.us...
rk
Hope I did the link right. But has anyone seen this? I just saw it posted on Facebook and don't know if the source is credible or doom porn. I checked here thinking you guys would've been all over it if it's true.
gold-silver.us...
Hope I did the link right. But has anyone seen this? I just saw it posted on Facebook and don't know if the source is credible or doom porn. I checked here thinking you guys would've been all over it if it's true.
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