Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by Trip3


OK Mr Geophycisist, you say no harmonic tremors at LKWY? I agree, but can you tell me what that signal is?

www.isthisthingon.org...

By the way it is no good making something up to impress because I have listened to those and talked to 'people' about them, and I think all the older members of the thread know what they are.

You are damn right it is not a game so stop playing one.

reply to post by Trip3


What do you think about the uplift?

Originally posted by Robin Marks
reply to post by Shenon

 

Trip3 provided links which show harmonic tremors. And one of them shows Mt. St Helens. That's what they look like. The signatures that trip3 is pointing to are too regular and are interfernce. I've seen them many times. And at fist they bugged me. Puterman could give you the techincal explaination. The wiring is not my concern or interest. I've learned to read. I've learn to read the webicorders and recognize everything, including the mine blasts which are really wierd. Shirakawa first pointed them out. I've even learn to recognize the ice cracking on the lake.

If I saw something that looked like harmonic tremors. I would recheck and recheck and ask Puterman or the others whether they were seeing the same thing and ask for a second opinion.

Is Puterman a volcanologist? A geologist? Does he have a "box with rocks" somewhere?

Please show me another instance of harmonic tremmors similar to the 25th.

I texted a senior volcanologist on site the night of the 27th. He's pretty much convinced they're harmonic tremors, along with a whole range of other troubling evidences.

Perhaps I should tell him he wasted two weeks up there in the cold and gave some bad info to DHS. said so"? Perhaps the 6 terabytes of data and put on a secured server was a waste of time. I'm certain the fiber optic control line to Houston was a bad idea too.

I'll let them know this is all true because "Puterman says so".

Originally posted by Trip3

Originally posted by Robin Marks
reply to post by Shenon

 

Trip3 provided links which show harmonic tremors. And one of them shows Mt. St Helens. That's what they look like. The signatures that trip3 is pointing to are too regular and are interfernce. I've seen them many times. And at fist they bugged me. Puterman could give you the techincal explaination. The wiring is not my concern or interest. I've learned to read. I've learn to read the webicorders and recognize everything, including the mine blasts which are really wierd. Shirakawa first pointed them out. I've even learn to recognize the ice cracking on the lake.

If I saw something that looked like harmonic tremors. I would recheck and recheck and ask Puterman or the others whether they were seeing the same thing and ask for a second opinion.

Is Puterman a volcanologist? A geologist? Does he have a "box with rocks" somewhere?

Please show me another instance of harmonic tremmors similar to the 25th.

I texted a senior volcanologist on site the night of the 27th. He's pretty much convinced they're harmonic tremors, along with a whole range of other troubling evidences.

Perhaps I should tell him he wasted two weeks up there in the cold and gave some bad info to DHS. said so"? Perhaps the 6 terabytes of data and put on a secured server was a waste of time. I'm certain the fiber optic control line to Houston was a bad idea too.

I'll let them know this is all true because "Puterman says so".

I´m not gonna defend or insult you or PuterMan or Robin (they know alot,and they have shown this in several Threads) but i think we/they want Proof of your expertise and experience for what you claim to be. You may not know that if you´re new,but there are People (who claim they are "Experts") joining ATS all the Time to post Disinformation,to spread Fear or to play down something vital.

ATS has alot of Experience with those Folks,so a Proof that you know your Stuff is needed,for example a reply to PuterMans Questions what that last Seismo he posted is supposed to be.


At PuterMan and Robin: Everyone knows you know your Stuff,but please dont be too fast in insulting and driving away People who may know more than you and are actually saying the Truth. At least try to post something where he can verify who he is or that he knows the Stuff he is talking about. The way you both are behaving could really drive away People who could have vital Info.

In the days leading up to the 25th, almost every webicorders was having problems. Look at this one.

www.isthisthingon.org...

Here's YSB the day before the 25th, you can see it's signal degrading and problems sending it's signal. Most likely bad weather.

www.isthisthingon.org...

And you've still failed to explain how webicorders on opposite ends of the park pick up the harmonic tremors, but others did not. That make no sense at all. They all would have pick it up, and especially a the ultra sensitve YMR.

I'm done.

reply to post by Robin Marks



Historic Yellowstone Activation:

Precursors in 2003:

In the first 30 seconds of this National Geographic video "Naked Science: Super Volcano" the narrator references "Spring 2003 strange things began happening to America's most famous national park" and enumerates:

1) The tallest geyser in the world, which can go 50 years without erupting, burst into life.
2) New cracks in the ground
3) ground heated up to the point that the National Park Service had to close some trails.
4) A group of bison collapsed and died, victims of poisonous fumes from below the ground
5) Satellite pictures (inSAR) showed that something ominous was happening - (they don't specifically say, but it is expansion of the magma chamber and plume, even then, well beyond the historic caldera footprint.(inSAR 1996-2000)

These narrations are intersperse with comments by USGS geologist Dan Dzurisin, Ph.D., (Dzurisin's background). Dzurisin is well known for his inSAR satellite interferometry work. I get the strong impression, by his commentary, that Dzurisin was quite alarmed about Yellowstone's status, as far back as 2003.


Period of "Extraordinary Caldera Deformation": 2004 - 2010:




YELLOWSTONE

"TWO EVENTS"


MAPPING: "Two Events"


The data represented in the above "Two Events" image was chosen from the period of "Extraordinary Caldera Deformation episode" that occurred between 2004 and 2010.

During that period of 'Extraordinary Caldera Deformation" two periods of quake activity occurred, indicating singular events, as defined by the number of quake events in one-month periods of time. These two spikes in quake activity are seen in the bottom graph in the above image (originally provided by USGS here), with those two months each showing tremendous upsurges in quake activity, specifically being December 2008 and January 2010.

TWO EVENTS

Event #1: December 1 - 31, 2008:

Event 1 shows the primary area of quake activity to be located in the eastern side of the caldera area, at the northern area of Yellowstone Lake. This area coincides with the area of extraordinary uplift over the 2004-2010 period involving both uplift an lateral displacement away from the area of focus. Strong quake activity can be seen to occur from ~5 mile depth to near ground surface.

The secondary area of quake activity is to the west, outside of the park area, in Idaho. This area shows a similar shallowing of quakes.


Event #2: January 1 - 31, 2010:

Event #2 has a primary area of focus on the west margin of the caldera area with strong quakes occurring from a depth of ~15 miles to less than 5 miles. There is continued quake activity in the primary location of Event #1, near the eastern margin of the caldera.

These quake events indicate two primary Areas Of Concern (AOCs) within the caldera, with at least a 3rd area existing outside the park footprint, in Idaho.

These AOCs represent likely places for original eruption(s), which may result in an "unzipping" of the caldera, resulting in a much larger eruption event.

reply to post by Trip3


You are really making my head hurt. All of this information is inside this thread. Why dont you go back and read from page one and then you wont have to cover the same information over again. I'm not trying to be a smart alec, Im just saying that those of us that have been following here since 2008 have already read and been over all these things you have mentioned. Its old news and well discussed if only you would go back to page 1 and read the thread.

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by Trip3

 

OK Mr Geophycisist, you say no harmonic tremors at LKWY? I agree, but can you tell me what that signal is?

www.isthisthingon.org...

By the way it is no good making something up to impress because I have listened to those and talked to 'people' about them, and I think all the older members of the thread know what they are.

You are damn right it is not a game so stop playing one.

I already referenced that LKWY signature in a previous post.

That repeated "event" has a periodicity of between 33 and 45 minutes and a duration of about 3 minutes each, I believe that is the generator for the battery powering back up, perhaps from brownouts.

I'll make you a deal, PuterDude, when you establish how your telemetry audio file, with an audible cycle might be explained as a repeated seismic signature with a 30 second duration at .15hz, then maybe I'll believe you've doing something more than playing a dumbass game.

However until that time, I'm going with my years of undergraduate and graduate education, then confirmed by direct contact with a USGS PhD volcanologist on-site at Yellowstone.

Originally posted by kennylee
reply to post by Trip3

 

You are really making my head hurt. All of this information is inside this thread. Why dont you go back and read from page one and then you wont have to cover the same information over again. I'm not trying to be a smart alec, Im just saying that those of us that have been following here since 2008 have already read and been over all these things you have mentioned. Its old news and well discussed if only you would go back to page 1 and read the thread.

Yeah, because I come to ATS to get informed about Geology.

I can reference "a thread" with 3,000 posts since January 26, but I'm pretty sure I'd have more courtesy than tell you to wade through even that.

Meanwhile I've a buddy in Casper, WY some 200 miles from Yellowstone, who's watched his irrigation well suddenly become artesian, along with numberous others wells in the area, and the pH turn from 8 to nearly 11, and direct geologic contacts at Yellowstone. With all due respect, seriously, who are you kidding?

reply to post by Trip3

Yeah, because I come to ATS to get informed about Geology.

Why did you come to ATS? So you could brag about your credentials among amateurs? Never seen someone use "I" so much in a post. You really are on a trip aren't you?

reply to post by kennylee


That's a bit rough Kennylee. There are always going to be newbies and plenty of people who just don't have the time to read hundreds of pages of info. Most regulars on these thread are very obliging and helpful to these people. We all try to help each other out and educate ourselves. I'm on here every day trying to keep up with all the geo threads and struggle to do so, just not enough hours in the day.
Everyone has different experiences, ideas and opinions. There are so many unknowns in this field. Yellowstone is an amazing and fascinating subject. Lets do it some justice and give it some respect.

reply to post by Trip3


How bout you stop playing all high & mighty. If you want to share great, but without the ego would be better.
2nd

Originally posted by Trip3

Originally posted by kennylee
reply to post by Trip3

 

You are really making my head hurt. All of this information is inside this thread. Why dont you go back and read from page one and then you wont have to cover the same information over again. I'm not trying to be a smart alec, Im just saying that those of us that have been following here since 2008 have already read and been over all these things you have mentioned. Its old news and well discussed if only you would go back to page 1 and read the thread.

Yeah, because I come to ATS to get informed about Geology.

I can reference "a thread" with 3,000 posts since January 26, but I'm pretty sure I'd have more courtesy than tell you to wade through even that.

Meanwhile I've a buddy in Casper, WY some 200 miles from Yellowstone, who's watched his irrigation well suddenly become artesian, along with numberous others wells in the area, and the pH turn from 8 to nearly 11, and direct geologic contacts at Yellowstone. With all due respect, seriously, who are you kidding?

Okay, I live in Casper. YOU ARE SCARING THE HELL OUT OF ME. Now I don't know what to believe. Please tell me if I need to move my family.

I've got a question for the web-experts here:

On January 27th all the seismographs (except LKWY) went off-line at precisely the same time: 22:25.

On January 28th at 05:36 these seismic stations came back on-line and recording, with the execption of two, YJC and YMP, which were not set to record.

Then, at almost precisely 11:15 MST, YJC AND YMP were set to record, and shortly thereafter a series of pronounced p-waves were recorded at each station.... just like might be seen from setting off seismic refraction charges.

ANY idea why all this stuff was going on in the Park, and at such late hours, or early hours, when the events two days before were only "telemetry"?

Maybe they had a bunch of public servants employed by the U.S. government wanting to work late hours digging around in eight feet of snow setting off seismic charges for the hell of it?


I know what the hell they were doing, I sent a text message to one of the geologists up there at 11:15 PM.

Mister PuterMan, have you got ANY sort of answer for this one? Convenient ICE cracking maybe?

reply to post by dalloway


Until egotrip provides any proof of who he is please just calm down. Saying you are a geologist and being a geologist can be two completely different things, if you catch my drift. For all we know he could be Randy Marsh. He is a 'geologist' too, only he's just a cartoon character.

Robin and Puterman have spent too long and invested too much time researching their subject to be overlooked in this just because some jumped-up clown arrives claiming to have some special insight. I will take their expert opinions over trip3 100% unless he can come up with concrete evidence of what he claims (which is doubtful).

Originally posted by dalloway


Okay, I live in Casper. YOU ARE SCARING THE HELL OUT OF ME. Now I don't know what to believe. Please tell me if I need to move my family.

Honestly the best advice is what my friend's been told "keep your ear to the ground".

For a month he's had escape gear in his truck ready for everyone in the family, and his wife knows where the kids are at every moment, and doesn't leave the dogs out unattended.

If you have dogs, have they been behaving strangely at times? His two have.


I don't want to 'scare' anyone. But I do deeply resent the policy our government has taken over this and, even if I am a "kook", you being ready and alert will not harm you.

Okay you guys, for what its worth.

This was my initial response to the seismos in question on the 25th:

Okay, I'm a long time poster on the Yellowstone thread and I was completely prepared to come on here and gently tell the OP to stop jumping to conclusions, nothing to see here, move along.....

But I have not seen the seismos looking like that there before. It IS odd. I am not saying it's HT, but it is unusuall. Not the normal suface noise or interference that you normally see.

Puterman, Robin, you know how much respect I have for you so please don't think I am taking sides in any way, I am just intrgiued. Also, I don't want this to be about 'sides' but about making sure that if there is ANY chance that ANY of what trip3 has said is true, that we at least listen and give them an opportunity to put it out there. We can choose to believe or not believe it.

I completely understand that if he is saying what I think he is (or going to) than it is beyong catastrophic, and if not true than anger and scorn is more than justified.

On that note; Trip3 could you please expand upon your answer to Puterman' recording. I may be a bit deft, but I didn't see past the sarcasm to the point. Are you saying that the 'sound' of the tremor is lower than can be recorded and played back? Or something else? I really do want to know because I realize that we know less than understand when it comes to Yellowstone so I don't think there is anyone in the world who truly knows what a pending eruption is going to look like. Anything out of the norm needs to recognized and examined.


Also, can you say anything regarding what has been going on since then? I do not believe we have seen that same signal since. (I could be wrong) Is there anything else you can share with us that may lend some credence to what you are saying? I realize you cant say who you are and therefore can not 'prove' your credentials...but maybe there are other ways to prove the points.

I would certainly hope that a geologist would not impart such information that would cause nothing short of mass panic if believed, unless they were absolutely sure of the validity and a need to share it. On that note, I would challenge you then that if you really believe this....then you might be compelled to say more in order to save lives.

Originally posted by zenius
reply to post by Trip3

 

How bout you stop playing all high & mighty. If you want to share great, but without the ego would be better.
2nd

I didn't come here bearing any ego.

I came here because i felt this crew was seriously interested in what's going on, but misguided as to events. I've been trying hard to find people who would listen, while not screwing up my contacts. Frankly, I'm exhausted.

I've paid my too much of own dues being a geophysical pack-mule through brambles and heavy brush, and swinging a sledgehammer on a steel play for seismic refraction work, or carring sand to pack holes for seismic charges in wetlands, to be all that interested in taking flack from anyone.

There's no guarantee that harmonic tremors indicate it will erupt. That's the flat out truth,And there's no guarantee that if it erupts, that it would be a "super eruption". I'm sure that is part of the reason why the Machiavellian bureaucrats that now control the USGS have locked down information.

But that's only a part of the reason. The other is they don't want panic and this country couldn't deal with 130 million or so people wanting to evacuate out of the ash zone.

Originally posted by Trip3

Originally posted by dalloway


Okay, I live in Casper. YOU ARE SCARING THE HELL OUT OF ME. Now I don't know what to believe. Please tell me if I need to move my family.

Honestly the best advice is what my friend's been told "keep your ear to the ground".

For a month he's had escape gear in his truck ready for everyone in the family, and his wife knows where the kids are at every moment, and doesn't leave the dogs out unattended.

If you have dogs, have they been behaving strangely at times? His two have.

I don't want to 'scare' anyone. But I do deeply resent the policy our government has taken over this and, even if I am a "kook", you being ready and alert will not harm you.

edit on 24-2-2011 by Trip3 because: (no reason given)

Could you elaborate on the dogs behaving strangely? My dog pretty much behaves strangely all the time. I was jumpy as hell during last year's swarm and I drove my husband nuts with it. But since nothing really "happened", he wrote it off as just paranoia on my part. What can I tell him that will make him heed my worrying? For starters, I'm going to tell him an Expert Geologist said it is going to blow in the near future. We've been planning on a move to Rapid City, SD a few hours away. Would that help our chances of survival? The problem with trying to make a run for it in our vehicle, correct me if I'm wrong, is that the air filter will become clogged almost instantly from the ash. Isn't that right? I am not going to sleep one wink now ever again until we get out of here. I am a nervous person by nature, so it is too late now for me to relax after reading what you've said tonight. I am literally dizzy and sick to my stomach. Good thing I remembered to take my blood pressure meds this morning.

Edit to add: Robin, Puterman, and Westcoast, you three especially have become touchstones for me in quake matters and Yellowstone stuff throughout these threads. Please tell me to chill out!

There's no guarantee that harmonic tremors indicate it will erupt. That's the flat out truth,And there's no guarantee that if it erupts, that it would be a "super eruption". I'm sure that is part of the reason why the Machiavellian bureaucrats that now control the USGS have locked down information.

But that's only a part of the reason. The other is they don't want panic and this country couldn't deal with 130 million or so people wanting to evacuate out of the ash zone.

No matter what anyone thinks about the rest of it, we all know that THIS is true.