Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by Hx3_1963


Dear Hx3_1963,

In the end, the LKWY cannot be trusted. There are large chucks of missing data and it frequently goes offline and has anomalous readings. So, to monitor the park, it is prudent to watch all the stations to get a scope of the action, and to keep current, it is easy to check with the Recent Activity Map. The scientists at the YVO and the University of Utah need a healthy chuck of that stimulus package to upgrade. That is the answer.

When I first proposed my hypothesis here, you asked for my degree, and since then, it's been obvious that we're not on the same wavelength. I've posted links to scientific research but you still weren't impressed. So I thought, it matters not what evidence I bring to bear, it will be dismissed, or scoffed at, or scorned. The new guy posting here is shaking in his boots because he's seen how unsophisticated opioins are dealt with here. I simple don't care and I'm stubborn. Blame it on my mom. She's a four foot nine, ninety pound dynamo with red curly hair. A Jack Russell Terrier with a bad attitude and a heart of gold. You could be a grizzy, standing tall, and she'd still run right up your legs and chest, and go for the throat.
Yellowstone.
Here's something that looks all "sciency". It's got lots of graphs and math and explainations and conclusions and is really intimidating for a tool like me. And I'm sure lots of others are overwhelmed when they try to take in all the aspect, terms, and math in geology. I'm interested in the subject, but sometimes I tune out when listening to a lecture when they're acknowledging all the people and factors that led to the planning, analysis, and determinations of a project. Anyways, off again.

www.dnr.mo.gov...

(copied wrong link first time, it's been changed)

And I got tons of other stuff, but I can't put them all on here. I've limited myself to one today. My alternative option is so good, it makes the decision hard. But... (It was a brand new report. I love new reports.)



[edit on 6-2-2009 by Robin Marks]

reply to post by Hx3_1963

Well, whatever it was I'm glad the signal is gone.. If the signal reappears I will find it slightly irritating - to say the least...

If you consider this:

Nine Nukes Exploded under Artic Ocean Nov. 17th and 18th!
www.educate-yourself.org
Checking IRIS WILBER system of seismographic readings I was able to see the distinctive peaks of underground nuclear explosions.
• No small tremors leading to the major event and few if any aftershocks.
• The area is seismically stable.
• None of the blasts appeared to trigger sympathetic tremors.
• The explosions were concentrated in an area about 16 kilometers by 16 kilometers (10 miles by 10 miles).
• The explosions were in the 5 to 10 Megaton range.
• All were 10 kilometers deep (6.2 miles).

www.7stern.info...

and consider this (the last sentence is key)

Vehicle Accident France
The submarine-launched nuclear devices (SNLE) The Triomphant returned this afternoon at the base of Ile-Longue (Finistere), after striking, earlier this week, a submerged object while in diving. t is "probably a container," the Marine advance. "This incident has caused no injuries in the crew and has challenged the nuclear safety at any time" indicates the HQ the Navy. The sonar dome in the bow was damaged by impact with an object which made no noise "while the submarine was diving at a depth greater than immersion Periscope, c that is to say that the boat was not close to the surface. The Triomphant had to surface but is not observed, and the radar view, up to a distance of seven nautical, which would have revealed the nature of the object. The submarine was then "several days at sea" from its base. He was on the way back, at the end of patrol. Once the damage assessed and sealed, he could return to Britain by its own means, including diving. Another SNLE was at the same time on patrol somewhere in the Atlantic. The permanent mission of nuclear deterrence has not been interrupted.)

visz.rsoe.hu...

it is perplexing to say the least. Who is doing what to whom? Are we at war?

reply to post by Mushussu



A friend of mine who is an electrical engineer at Texas Instruments read the article about the Antarctic ice shelf and the potential effect on the earth's axis. Here is his comment.

I don't see any mention of the change in the earth's rotational speed as the mass of the water/ice moves from the polar region (near the center of rotation) to the equator (further from the center of rotation.). As this happens it will impact the magma under the earth which has a rotational inertia resulting in earth quakes. Might even cause the supervolcano at Yellowstone to blow.

reply to post by dodadoom


DoDaDoom, On the pages you originally posted there are options for other views. On the Yellowstone river flow guage site waterdata.usgs.gov there are options to check for alternate views. I simply selected the time frame block above and changed the value to 60 days to get THIS.

On the GPS link you provided for LKWY I clicked the link to "USGS Time Series and Info." then selected in the column at the left "Regionally Filtered" then "Cleaned/Detrended" and then selected the time frame of "Last 90 Days" to get the appropriate time frame for the events of interest.

There are many other options to choose from and it makes interesting viewing.

reply to post by Robin Marks


I'm sure there is a large Hydrothermal/Hydraulic component to activity at Yellowstone.

There is continuing uplift/depression in critical areas that are susceptible to fracturing and violent release that are being mapped with GPS and Surveyors as are known major faultlines in the area.

We have a basic Idea of magma/caldera locations and general historic geological movement patterns over long time periods.

We know of the lakes and streams in the area and can obtain inflow/outflow rates. A valid unknown is this category is inflow from underground springs and actual influence from local precipitation as well as effects from the inflated plain/subsurface deformations.

Other valid unknowns are the actual structures/geologic composition/depths of the local Aquifers and their interaction with above stated faults/deformations/caldera structure/temperatures/magma chamber and microfractures.

After considering all these variables in predicting any future events, I would be hard pressed to put forth any "guess" other than what YVO has already stated...large quakes at Predetermined historic lines/spots of known weakness...large changes of known/unknown Hydrothermal Features...excessive uplift/depression...large sustained harmonic tremor in specific zones of known activity.

Being as you have access to a plethra of information covering Yellowstone, I would be interested in viewing any detailed information you might have on the local Aquifers structures/geologic composition/depths for future inclusion in our theory building databases.

Your posted link concerning Tidal Effects/Poreous Fluid Migration ect in Unconfined Solid Aquifers really doesn't help alot in this situation being as Yellowstone is way to fluid/active/unknown to apply any static theory in my opinion but...change my mind...

PS: I notice you've changed the link you posted earlier just now...(I Read both anyways)...but I standby my above mentioned statement...

[edit on 2/6/2009 by Hx3_1963]

reply to post by Old Farmer


I like it Old Farmer! There is alot of data if you know how to manipulate it! I just wish I could see if this increase is normal for this time of year!
I remember we brought up these increased stream flows long ago in the thread and your links show the increase correlates with the start of the swarms! Thanks for that! Will it definately continue and is it normal for this time of year? Doesn't seem like YS has had as much snow this winter. Something else to track the history of!
I'm not too far away and we've only had a couple storms this winter.


[edit on 6-2-2009 by dodadoom]

Originally posted by manotick
reply to post by Mushussu

 

A friend of mine who is an electrical engineer at Texas Instruments read the article about the Antarctic ice shelf and the potential effect on the earth's axis. Here is his comment.

I don't see any mention of the change in the earth's rotational speed as the mass of the water/ice moves from the polar region (near the center of rotation) to the equator (further from the center of rotation.). As this happens it will impact the magma under the earth which has a rotational inertia resulting in earth quakes. Might even cause the supervolcano at Yellowstone to blow.

Thank you .
Most appreciated.

i live in far north queensland,australia,,,since 1979 iv`e been observing a montain that is growing in the hinterland ,,locals call it "bunyup mountain" and as children we were told,stay away from bunyup mountain,we were told some crazy story of an unfriedly mythical creature to keep us away, any way as time went on i became even more curious about this place oddly enough the mountain consisted of white crystaline granite ,,but since 1982 the mountain itself has growen 150 meters in hieght and nearly 500 meters in length,atop of the mountain is approx 500 hectaires of old growth rainforrest .from the underside of the mt there appears to be a large basalt cap rising upward ,on the southern side there is a ancient tube cave rising with it .the cave is now acessable but extreamly dangerous, there are now no trees on the southern sidefor approx 600 meters up the mountain ,,,,i guess your wondering why the info ,,,well for a long time up here there has been only minimal siesmic activity ,,,,,there has been no siesmic activity detected in this particular area on google earth the mountain itself sits in a10`000 yearold glacial created valley approx 400 meters abouve sea level ,,it has not made a sound???,,,,,ive been in the tube and it has a very strong gassy smell , any ideas ,,anyone??

reply to post by Hx3_1963


Dear HX3_1963,

I am certain you have found more information than I on the make up of the Yellowstone aquifer. I'm reasearching it as much as I can. I am a noob. If you have good links please provide. Also I am having difficultly pinning down indepth information about the swarm in 1977.
Here's a paper which is interesting considering the massive amounts of precipitation we've had on account of the La Nina we've been experiencing. The snow last year was enough to break plowing equipment in the park. And they had and early start to this the winter after a coolish summer. There will be lots of change I suppose.

volcanoes.usgs.gov...

I'm sorry the second paper I sent you didn't give you an appreciation of what I am suggesting has caused the Dec 26th swarm.

I know it's new, but researchers have finally found a link that show the Moon can cause earthquakes.

www.newscientist.com...

On Dec.12th the Moon's gravitational force was pulling on Yellowstone. It compressed the porous, permiable aquifer and pushed the water out. On Dec. 26th the Moon released her grip and the water came rushing back in. Oh I almost forgot the lake. The Moon's gravitional pull also released it's pull on the lake and it came back down to earth and broke the lake bed's back. Yellstone Lake is a high altitude lake and it's weaker air pressure would have enchanced the Moon's effect. The second swarm was caused by the earth reaching it's perihelion and the moon's apogee. The Moon has an effect on the tides. And it has an effect on the ground water. The pumping action in the hydraulics caused the siesmisity. Not the magma. It was probably being effected as well, but not to the same extent as the aquifer and the lake.
Blame it on La Nina. Blame it on the Moon and the Sun.

In the Yellowstone swarm of 1985, which started in Late October, midpoint through the seismic activity, there was a total eclipse of the sun on November 12.
Also, La Nina was the dominate weather pattern and had been in place in 1984 and 1985, which would make it likely that Yellowstone's aquifer was full at that time. It would seem there is corelation with La Nina and Moon. There is a tide under Yellowstone and it produces swarm earthquakes. The water which was forced from aquifer would have been hydraulically pushed into fractures. Once the porous material relaxed and regained it's normal structure, the water which would race back, would also act as a lubricatant on faults and cause earthquakes. Well that's what I think anyway.

I think there is an incredible amount of movement in the aquifer. A tremendous amount of pressure. And with La Nina, there is an incredible amount of volume. Look at the outflows. WOW. Water, water, everywhere.

I'm tired. I got to look after a five year old tomorrow. Talk about unpredictable and explosive. Volcanoes are rudimentary by comparison. This is my second child. I've already raised a fine young man.
Goodnight all.

Everyone probley has this link by now but I'll repost as I can't remember...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 2/7/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
Everyone probley has this link by now but I'll repost as I can't remember...

GROUND WATER ATLAS of the UNITED STATES
Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming
HA 730-I

pubs.usgs.gov...

This is in conjunction with Hx3's

www.wrds.uwyo.edu...

reply to post by TwiTcHomatic


Many a TV movie has been made with stories of that Caldera along with TLC Supervolcano specials.

Do we have any seismologist readers who care to offer their 2 cents (and spare my lazy eyes of digesting the WIKI).

Thanks.

reply to post by Hx3_1963

I guess I'm not everybody.. Thanks..

U.S. Geological Survey

GROUND WATER ATLAS of the UNITED STATES
Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming
HA 730-I
by R.L. Whitehead

Contents of HA 730-I, published in 1996

pubs.usgs.gov...

My 1st post listing this was incorrect...here's the main index for the pages

reply to post by Hx3_1963


So, what is your prediction of events spawned from all this mass information and recent activity?

reply to post by akjen


www.abovetopsecret.com...

This about sums it up at this point...

reply to post by Hx3_1963

You stated:
"After considering all these variables in predicting any future events, I would be hard pressed to put forth any "guess" other than what YVO has already stated...large quakes at Predetermined historic lines/spots of known weakness...large changes of known/unknown Hydrothermal Features...excessive uplift/depression...large sustained harmonic tremor in specific zones of known activity."

Could make a person draw some steep conclusions considering the checklist for volcanic eruptions..

I suppose we are missing an increase in gas emission and ground temp.. and of course, more earthquake swarms within the next few months..

Just a little food for thought here:

environment.about.com...

After watching a documentary about this I started surfing around for more info on it, seems the melting ice is setting off and will set off many more events.