Whats going on at yellowstone?

Did anyone else see all that SHAKING of Old Faithfuls webcam at 3:08 est?

It shook for a few secs! The webcam shows that whole area completely full of steam - it is like a fog over the whole area. It is very thick today, it seems to have double the amount of steam.



I looked at the monitor there, but am not seeing any vibrations on it, but the webcam definitely went back and forth for a few secs.


[edit on 18-1-2009 by questioningall]

Originally posted by questioningall
Did anyone else see all that SHAKING of Old Faithfuls webcam at 3:08 est?

It shook for a few secs! The webcam shows that whole area completely full of steam - it is like a fog over the whole area. It is very thick today, it seems to have double the amount of steam.



I looked at the monitor there, but am not seeing any vibrations on it, but the webcam definitely went back and forth for a few secs.


[edit on 18-1-2009 by questioningall]

Just zoom in / zoom out shake by the looks of it.

reply to post by Shirakawa


If memory serves me correctly YMV is close in to the springs over on that end and it has been getting stronger since the 11th-12th of last week. It is also the area that the you tube video of a new spring came out of "supposedly". I personally find it hard to believe since Norris was the area to previously get an injection of magma from Mary. It has since cooled completely and solidified. Would have had to of found a way around Norris to get there.

To add:
Did you guys notice the whole outter rim of the OF area go off when Of did?

[edit on 18-1-2009 by xoxo stacie]

No doubt OF is really cooking today--smoking constantly with much more volume than the last two weeks--but the question is how unusual is that?

I only have the last two weeks or so as reference. Does OF normally experience heavy and light days?

Dang...take a couple of days off and I missed it...~M2.8 in Tn...I guessed a ~M2.5-M3 in Mo by Valentines Day...well only a month earley and 50 Mi to High...

[edit on 1/18/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Came across God's Email address in case anyone wants to ask the source.

www.almightyinbox.com...

[edit on 18-1-2009 by pantangele]

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www.guardian.co.uk...

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[edit on 18-1-2009 by manotick]

It seems like there were some events of earthquakes on some of the Yellowstone monitors, but they have not recorded them on the map.

Also, has anyone noticed how they have not posted any quakes for days now, yet the monitors have shown some events.

I know this was questioned before, but can anyone answer the reason why they may not be adding them onto the map and quakes?

reply to post by questioningall


They don't add anything lower than a 2. something (I think a 2.4?) unless it's a working day. Probably we won't see any updates until Tuesday unless there's something bigger. Take a look at that last 3.x Thursday night and you'll see that it looks much larger than anything we've seen since.

In some other regions (like CA) they update automatically, but I think this is through state funding or something. Keep in mind our infrastructure is completely hosed, I think money has a lot more to do with it than some effort to withhold information. I didn't see any updates Friday either which makes me wonder if someone took an extra long weekend.

Little blips like we've been seeing this week aren't out of the norm for Yellowstone background activity.

Expect a biggish Teleisism (far away earthquake trace) within 15 minutes or so.

Just had a 6.6 in the Loyalty Islands region.

Just raised the mag to 6.9 with local tsunami warnings. (New Zealand)


[edit on 18-1-2009 by quakewatcher]

I was just looking at the latest ground deformation data and unless I'm misreading the data, it looks like there are certain areas of the park showing unprecedentedly high levels of uplift:

pboweb.unavco.org...

I assume that those red dots each represent a GPS station reporting in - if so there are clearly a couple of stations, one in particular, showing huge uplift. I had halfway started to tune Yellowstone out, but it's now clear to me that, unless I'm misreading this data, there is very likely magma at move in Yellowstone. I would love to know if that one red dot that is much higher than the others is in the same area where the earthquake swarms have occurred.

[edit on 18-1-2009 by rigel434]

reply to post by rigel434


Those red dots are/is the 'most recent' data for that one station.

I think its healthy to keep a weather eye on Yellowstone; considering that if you get 1-2 hours or more warning and don't take heed of it.... It's on you if you end up dead

Endlessly obscessining about it may cause your spouse to beat you with a blunt object though.... or a pillow.

M.

Originally posted by Moshpet
reply to post by rigel434

 

Those red dots are/is the 'most recent' data for that one station.

Crap- that's even worse. It says it was last updated today, and it turns out this LKWY station is the north shore of Yellowstone lake, right where the swarms have been. The evidence seems overwhelming now that the most recent events have been the result of the movement of magma. Doesn't mean it will erupt, but it's a serious situation, and I'm one of the relative optimists on this thread.

[edit on 18-1-2009 by rigel434]

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you sound like a shill.

oh no.

i just put that cause i know that a one liner is not appreciated.

: )

Originally posted by quakewatcher
[...] Take a look at that last 3.x Thursday night and you'll see that it looks much larger than anything we've seen since.

That's because a 3.0 magnitude earthquake is much bigger than a 2.0 magnitude one!
It's easy to get confused/misleaded with this logarithmic scale of earthquake size. Between two earthquakes:

1.00 difference in magnitude means 10x difference in size
1.50 difference in magnitude means about 31.5x difference in size
1.75 difference in magnitude means about 56.2x difference in size
2.00 difference in magnitude means 100x difference in size

reply to post by Shirakawa


About YMV:

OK, I stand corrected. It certainly looked like telemetry noise but at lower amplitude. But as the day went on, I see where it became different. You can't say I'm not trying. Give me a few weeks and maybe I'll get the hang of reading these things. BTW, I've been to Mammoth many, many times and I can see why it would be a very active and noisy place. I also wonder if they're plowing the roads up there close to the Montana border at the north entrance and a ways in toward Mammoth? They have been known to do that in the past, even at this time of year.





[edit on 19/1/2009 by raepperle]

Originally posted by questioningall
It seems like there were some events of earthquakes on some of the Yellowstone monitors, but they have not recorded them on the map.

Also, has anyone noticed how they have not posted any quakes for days now, yet the monitors have shown some events.

I know this was questioned before, but can anyone answer the reason why they may not be adding them onto the map and quakes?

The USGS is covering the quakes up for SURE now. I mean, the evidence is there.. (smiles j/k) It's been days since they have posted an update. (And yes, they DO list 1.0's on this list)

We all know there have been 3-7 small quakes since the 14th. Come on USGS, update your site please.

[edit on 1/19/2009 by Pharyax]

[edit on 1/19/2009 by Pharyax]

Originally posted by pantangele
Came across God's Email address in case anyone wants to ask the source.

www.almightyinbox.com...

[edit on 18-1-2009 by pantangele]

Omg thats hilarous .

Originally posted by Shirakawa
It's easy to get confused/misleaded with this logarithmic scale of earthquake size. Between two earthquakes:

1.00 difference in magnitude means 10x difference in size
1.50 difference in magnitude means about 31.5x difference in size
1.75 difference in magnitude means about 56.2x difference in size
2.00 difference in magnitude means 100x difference in size

Yes, if we are taking "size" to mean relative amounts of ground movement. But the other factor -- that I know you know but some newer readers may not be aware of -- is that the differences in the amount of energy released are even more dramatic, because a single whole-digit increase in order of magnitude equates to around 32 times more energy released. So, a mag 4.0 (for example) is about 32 times more powerful (in terms of energy released) than a mag 3.0, and a mag 5.0 is around 1,000 times more powerful than a mag 3.0.

For interested readers, here's the USGS info page about this.

For anyone who like playing with numbers, here's the USGS "How much bigger?" page that shows you how to compare quakes sizes in terms of movement and/or energy released.

A little ways back in the thread, some posters wondered at how it was possible for (say) a mag 7.0 to send pretty major teleseismic waves around the world, and for such a long period of time (like many minutes)... Well, a mag 7.0 releases about as much energy in a single event as around 1 million mag 3.0 quakes. (32x32x32x32 times the energy.)

To put this into perspective, it's been calculated that the (estimated) mag 9.1 - 9.3 Great Sumatra-Andaman Quake of Dec 26, 2004, released about one-eighth as much energy as all the quakes of the previous 100 years combined... (Some sources I've read say one-quarter but I'm taking the low estimate.) For anyone who is fairly new to all this kind of discussion, Wikipedia (stop laughing, please ) actually has quite a good article on this quake. You can get a fair understanding of the sorts of energies involved and how they are distributed.

Mike

reply to post by quakewatcher


red dots are non QCed data points I believe