Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by Old Farmer


I enjoy your posts, just wanted to say!
One of my other jobs is farming so I have a soft spot anyway.
Plus,... I like to eat now and then!
All I can say is Amen, glad you are aboard and
sorry all for yet another post!

Just Mike, it has been said here, there was a prophecy
that spoke of an earthquake in the pacific northwest
around the 15th of December. People were speculating
that yellowstone was it and I was thinking no the
vancouver earthquake was it.
Anyway neither here nor there but as we are finding out,
so much about yellowstone is connected to other things.
It is also a spiritual place to many!
Please dont forget that everyone.
Until you have spent some time there and connected to
jellystone, it is hard to really appreciate what a unigue
place it is! (If it's within your capacity, I might add here)
I am sure most people here have an open mind by now .
I get emotional thinking about that aspect of it,
it is overwhelming and impossibe to describe
what an impact it had on me! IMO
And to think it could be gone?
Y'all really need to go there sometime! (soon, just in case!)

[edit on 10-1-2009 by dodadoom]

White Noise or something else?

Dorset and Strafford area residents have reported bat sightings in recent weeks, when the nocturnal flyers are supposed to be hibernating. The unusual behavior is being caused by White Nose Syndrome, a mysterious affliction that is devastating bat populations in the Northeast, according to Scott Darling, a bat biologist with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department. He said he is expecting the behavior to continue throughout the winter. "People living near some of the caves and mines found in towns such as Dorset, Manchester and Strafford may see dead bats on their porches and screen windows," according to a release from the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources, "observe bats flying during the daytime or have bats enter their houses." Darling said the sightings might also happen in Pownal with the Williams Cave nearby. Dorset is home to the Aeolus Cave, where the greatest number of bats in New England hibernate each winter.

hisz.rsoe.hu...

Its in Vermont by the way.

[edit on 10-1-2009 by severdsoul]

Echo beach far away in time.

reply to post by severdsoul


Saw that too a couple days ago. It's "white nose" and they say it is caused by a fungus. Interesting nevertheless and I'm still waiting to see what's up with the discomboobulated pelicans on the west coast.

Originally posted by Penster
reply to post by severdsoul

 

Saw that too a couple days ago. It's "white nose" and they say it is caused by a fungus. Interesting nevertheless and I'm still waiting to see what's up with the discomboobulated pelicans on the west coast.

Yea me to, been looking for some info on gases released from magma etc. and its effects on them, but nothing yet, really odd the way the beaks show busing and bleeding..
I'm suprised they have not announced anything yet as to what the possible cause could be.

Originally posted by Penster
reply to post by severdsoul

 

Saw that too a couple days ago. It's "white nose" and they say it is caused by a fungus. Interesting nevertheless and I'm still waiting to see what's up with the discomboobulated pelicans on the west coast.

Yea me to, been looking for some info on gases released from magma etc. and its effects on them, but nothing yet, really odd the way the beaks show busing and bleeding..
I'm suprised they have not announced anything yet as to what the possible cause could be.

reply to post by severdsoul


I think they said the blood tests for the pelicans would take about a week so, any day now. They aren't showing all of the typical symptons related to the poisoning they are attributing the problem to. I think their internal navigation is wonky - but that's my personal opinion. If you find anything to support your theory I'd be interested.

Originally posted by Mushussu
reply to post by dodadoom

 

Just back tracked and saw your post.
Your too funny.
There is alot of info on this thread, staggering.
If all people who come to this site do is click and read the
Highlighted blue sites we post that could cut alot of red tape.

Maybe that is a good word to the wise.
Read the blue posted sites to keep up.

[edit on 10-1-2009 by Mushussu]

Thanks Mushyushu! hee hee!
I try to "keep the perspective", man!
It all good! Hope dis ting chill out!
I try to see the light through the cloud of doom.
Dont get me started here!
OK, I'LL BITE; How does us new fellers and not so new fellers,
(and fellerettes)work this here blue star thingy jigger?
Oh , here it is: freshmen's forum
Thanks a bunch, pilgrim!
I'm just being silly here dont worry.
Everyone has a sense of humor, but some
are standing on theirs I think!



[edit on 11-1-2009 by dodadoom]

reply to post by dodadoom
Yes, I recall that "prophecy" but I won't go into that here on the thread. Big chance of going off-topic. But I've sent you a U2U...

The "connectedness" concept is really one of the things that we have to look at, for sure. It's been wonderful to see so many people working together and looking at so many possible interrelationships, the various factors that might be influencing both what is happening in Yellowstone and what its influence might be on other regions. It's especially valuable that we have been able to find scientific support for some of these notions such as the Juan de Fuca and its movement and possible effects on the magma plume beneath Yellowstone -- though that is still an item of debate among the experts.

Whatever happens -- even if things go quiet again and nothing much happens in Yellowstone in the next many years -- all of us who share and discuss these ideas are learning, and that's got to be better than just watching the Idiot Box, which only shows us what others choose for us to see.

Here, we have some choice. I like that...

Regards,

Mike

PS: Just saw your other query to Mushussu so I'll answer as I'm around and can't sleep. (Full moon.) If you think a post has some special merit then you can give it a blue star. Every post has a little star outlined at the top left. Just click on it and it turns blue and outlines a new one next to it. Easy, really...

[edit on 10/1/09 by JustMike]

Where is Mind Crime with his beer?

I've got me a whole case of premium beer tonight - ready to watch some yellowstone fireworks. I sent the wife and daughter shopping, sit down, open up the yellowstone seismogram thumbnails ready for some heavy duty rock'n'rock action - and what do I see? Nearly notta darn thing today except a couple little microquakes due to somebody sneezing.

Oh well - good thing the NFL is on the idiot box.

[edit on 1/10/2009 by startx.jeff]

Somebody mentioned looking at the discharge at the USGS Yellowstone River at the Lake Outlet YNP again. Around page 50 of the discussion we were worried, but many pointed out that we didn't have enough data to call the increase a trend.

Normal discharge for Jan is 400 CFS and trends down to 380 by months end. Since 12/27 the discharge levels have been consistantly rising.

USGS Water Flow

Today’s reading is 497. That is almost 25% above normal.

That equates to an additional 4.3 million cubic feet of water A DAY!

But hey, situation is GREEN so go to your cabin and have a beer.

reply to post by Absum!


Yeah, and the only theory that makes sense is dome building on the bottom of the lake, or an additional input source into the lake. (vent, runoff, precip)

Among those same pages that you mention, given the amount of water in the lake, it would take a week or more of an open vent discharge to change the temperature near the surface of the lake.

I mean, the volume of water is literally an Olympic sized swimming pool every 1/2 hour or so. Is that about right?

OH well, it's still green. NFL and beer or watch the frog die slowly in Yellowstone because everything is just fine and dandy..

Today’s reading is 497. That is almost 25% above normal.

Forgot to add that 497 is about last summer's peak output. wow. Beer has a tendancy to move your fingers faster than your brain.


[edit on 1/10/2009 by startx.jeff]

reply to post by Absum!


Am I confused? I'm trying to sort out things, yet.

I think I would like to see a chart contrasting the Yellowstone River to where it pours into Yellowstone Lake, from Fishing Bridge, matched against that data.

Now if the Fishing Bridge is say 40%-50% less than that I'd say *whoa*.

On a rough guesstimate, you could possibly account for 10-20% of the output of Yellowstone lake as from other streams. IF they are not frozen rock solid. 2-5% if they are frozen over ~1% if they are mostly solid down to the bedrock.

Moshpet



[edit on 10-1-2009 by Moshpet]

reply to post by startx.jeff


And don't forget as I noted earlier that ONLY the lake in YNP is showing this trend. I spent the afternoon looking at all the others and they are all flat.

Having said that, rainfall is increasing, so could it be that the lake gets the water first? I don't actually believe that as the precipitation meters were only showing an increase for the last couple of days and this trend has been going on since the first swarm.

reply to post by Moshpet

It would be useful to know the topography. I note you say the river flows into the lake. Is this the only major input?

It is quite possible if they are several smaller inputs to the lake that they may not be recorded, however I would expect to see an increase in the ones that are recorded that at least accounts for some of this data.

I will go back and have a look at what I got this afternoon.

reply to post by JustMike

Mike:
I wonder if the answer is literally in the stars!
If there isn't some grand calendar(mayan?)
to all things, and everything else responds appropriately.
(earthquakes and volcanos included)
It seems so from the grand take on things. IMO
Hopefully not too off topic! Connected?
That is key! We are connected-all working together
for the common good of man. I don't see what's
wrong with that at all.

Jeff, Great link, thank you! Wouldn't mind a brewski.
Ya missed my sillyness, glad ya chose us stead of football!

Absum, that was me I hope! Good job!
I knew it! We've got to keep watchin that!


[edit on 11-1-2009 by dodadoom]

These are the statuions I looked at in YNP (This is all of them)


Firehole River at Old Faithfull

Firehole River near West Yellowstone

Tantalus Creek

Gibbon River

Boiling River

And lastly the Lake outlet

reply to post by PuterMan


Replying to myself! Duh!

Note that the lake outlet is the only one way off it's median.

I have no idea where these all are in relation to the lake but I do find the data interesting.

reply to post by PuterMan


I, too, looked at the charts for water discharge of YL. Noting the same thing you mentioned, that it is only YNP is up. I then looked at the UNAVCO Plate Boundary charts for LKWY which are also way up on verticle boundaries.

Is there someone who can chart the verticle increases in the land from LKWY with the water input at the fishing bridge and do the same for the verticle levels of YL at the output point?

Also...

I know we have read many stories about the GPS ground increases over the last few years and that the main raise seems to be near the area north east of LKWY area (where yesterday's quakes were). Could the dome (that I think is there) in YL be on the upswing, too, just like the land?

Also, Robert Smith made some interesting comments that were included in a story for the Billings Gazaette In this article, Smith says,

Smith said he is interested in the most recent swarm because of its unusual number of earthquakes in such a short time frame and because a similar swarm in 1985 coincided with changes to the Yellowstone caldera.

blah blah blah

About that time, the caldera, which had been rising for about 20 years at a rate of 2 centimeters per year, began to subside. Then, in 2004, Smith demonstrated that the Yellowstone caldera went into a period of "accelerated uplift," the north end of Yellowstone Lake rising up to 7 cm. per year before slowing to about 4 cm. per year.

blah blah blah

Regardless, Smith said there is little cause for concern. The current "volcano alert level" is normal.

It seems to me that all the information is out there, available to the public, but the government is keeping the alert level at green (even though Yellowstone remains in the Elevated status) as a means to be able to point to the people and show that they clearly told us things needed to be monitored but at the same time, show the level as green so they can point to that to keep panic from setting in.

Lastly, if anyone was watching the live web cam today, did you notice that the water/fluid in front of one of geysers was really bubbling today? In the last week, I hadn't seen this water bubbling as much as it was (is) today. The camera was zoomed in on that area for a while, you could really see it bubbling.

P

So is anyone else having a problem with the USGS Yellowstone quakes site? I keep getting some wierd page that says "No full text page needed".

I didn't start doubting the USGS until I realized whoever updated the listitngs seemed to go home for the weekend during a seismic event....but now I am feeling more and more like there is so much more here going on than they have spoken of publicly. It is not that I think they are trying to decieve or lie, more like withhold because maybe they don't even know what it all means.

I have been so impressed with all the information gathering going on here. What a great group of intelligent people. I have been monitoring earthquakes around the world and the PNW for about ten years now. IMO, the Alaska quakes have been typical for the past couple of years. This past year especially. California is a little noiser than usuall and I have rarely seen so many quakes above 3.0 in the midwest before. (Yellowstone aside). I immediately became alarmed the first day with the YNP quakes. What an incredible geological wonder. It makes you realize how small and brief mankind really is. Here is a society so obsessed with control and yet there is absolutely nothing we can do about this but watch, learn and be amazed by its power.