Whats going on at yellowstone?

hi guys, I had a pretty strange dream last night. normally I never do remember my dreams after awakening. but this time to mu surprise I did so.

I have to underline that I do not belive in dream predictions and second, I most probably had that dream after reading for last few weeks the threads about it on AYS.

but anyway just want to share with you in only few words that in my dream I saw calendar with next Saturday underlined and Yellowstone notice on the side.

I hope it is no prediction of anything, and has any meaning but just needed to write you about it.

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This is good information. I think we need a lot more in this thread about dreams. Dreams and oh, what you made for dinner. Anyone who goes to the bathroom should post that, too, especially if it's explosive.

Martin Luther King had a dream in 1963 and Obama was elected President in 2008... So it's quite possible your dream is a harbinger of things to come. Maybe massive relocations now, just in case?

Although before we do that, I do feel the need to admit that I had a dream in 1991 that I f'ed Cindy Crawford and I don't think there was ever any need to warn her.

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why you get excited so? I am not going to start a new thread with this and there is no other the post I wrote would be more proper to place.

I would make the comment in the way youy did but I think I just ignore it. peace

Originally posted by pantangele
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This is good information. I think we need a lot more in this thread about dreams. Dreams and oh, what you made for dinner. Anyone who goes to the bathroom should post that, too, especially if it's explosive.

Leaving aside the sarcasm IMHO when you get deep into a subject like this you do tend to get dreams about what is most concerning you. It is only natural for the brain to mull over things when you are asleep, leading to dreams.

They can be most realistic, but that does not mean they are prophetic. Again IMHO the prophetic dreams are produced in a very different scenario and under circumstances that 'normal' folks do not experience. I will duck on Saturday just in case!

This is good information. I think we need a lot more in this thread about dreams. ... I do feel the need to admit that I had a dream in 1991 that I f'ed Cindy Crawford and I don't think there was ever any need to warn her.

Wierd. You had that dream about Cindy Crawford too? Man, that girl got around. Except in my dream, she f'ed me ..... I almost didn't wake up.

ahem. In other news, it appears that the USGS is back on weekend staffing. The microquake from around midnight last night hasn't made it to the list yet this morning.

I wonder if we'll experience what we did last weekend, when they started showing up after lunch. Hmmm.... maybe the guy on duty is dreaming about Cindy Crawford now. eh?

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amazing last night i dreamt that i made a real hot vindaloo for dinner,and then went to the bathroom,unfortunately,no explosions,but lots of rumbling and a geyser,i think we are all looking in the wrong place (yellowstone) we should be looking in our bathrooms

keep you posted

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Interesting...especially the comment at the bottom by Tom Lakosh here is some of it

" Here are some important facts about the quake swarm and ensuing scientific lethargy that didn’t make it into the article and haven’t been released by the USGS. The first concerning issue that should be recognized is that these YVO experts are relying on the statistical frequency of catastrophic events rather than geologic analyses to down play the likelihood of eruption. We pay them to do geologic analyses not spout statistical pabulum. When I questioned the head volcanologist at USGS headquarters about the ability to discern the precursors to a super eruption he indicated that the most analogous monitored eruption was one in Chile that only took 3 weeks to evolve from the first tremors to eruption. YVO, on the other hand, thinks it’s sufficiently timely to wait months for a thorough analysis of the swarm using their old computers to produce questionable results using limited and inexact data. When I asked Jake Lowenstern to employ better and more sensors and collect multiple types of data sets to obtain a credible work product he said “I certainly agree that sophisticated imaging techniques could potentially help define the system much better”. The head volcanologist gave a number of budgetary excuses as to why USGS doesn’t want to deploy better sensors or use better computers but admitted that a repeat of the last super eruption could only be compared in effect to another Chicxulub impact. The YVO already has a boat
Now, let’s get down to the science of the quake swarm. The North end of Yellowstone Lake is the hottest region and releases more heat than any other area in YNP because the magma chamber below is at its shallowest point. Virtually all of the 900 quakes occurred in a 2 mile radius column from very near the surface down to the magma chamber at 5 miles deep. The bottom of the Lake above the swarm is covered with multiple lava flows from prior eruptions, but the bottom layer is from the super eruption 640,000 years ago. The YVO lead seismologist told the JH News & Guide “One idea is that the earthquakes happened in a “pre-existing zone of weakness.”” I questioned a doctoral student working with Dr. Smith and he revealed that the quakes exhibited a “double coupled signature” and explained that this only occurs when rock slides on rock in the absence of fluids, so the quakes weren’t caused by hydrothermal activity. My reasoning is therefore as follows, the relatively narrow column of quakes extending across all strata above the magma chamber could only be caused by a focused pressure source acting on a “pre-existing zone of weakness” that I presume is a volcanic chimney from the last super eruption. This chimney is a “cork” on the magma chamber, which may not “pop” for millennia but, has definitely been fractured extensively and effectively “loosened”. Nobody knows whether it will blow explosively or just ooze lava because that depends on how fast the lava comes out and whether the gas pressure in the magma and chamber has time to equalize slowly or decompresses all at once.

hope i did the quote ok...first time doing one..

by the way just want to say hi to everyone on here...I've been following this thread from the start and really enjoyed the info you all have been giving..even if some of it goes way above my head!!!lol...

www.casperstartribune.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">source Casper star

ok worked...sort of..bit messy! don't know what happened there...lol

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Originally posted by startx.jeff

This is good information. I think we need a lot more in this thread about dreams. ... I do feel the need to admit that I had a dream in 1991 that I f'ed Cindy Crawford and I don't think there was ever any need to warn her.

Wierd. You had that dream about Cindy Crawford too? Man, that girl got around. Except in my dream, she f'ed me ..... I almost didn't wake up.

ahem. In other news, it appears that the USGS is back on weekend staffing. The microquake from around midnight last night hasn't made it to the list yet this morning.

I wonder if we'll experience what we did last weekend, when they started showing up after lunch. Hmmm.... maybe the guy on duty is dreaming about Cindy Crawford now. eh?

amazeingly enough i DID NOT DREAM ABOUT CINDY CRAWFORD. maybe cuz i am female that might have something to do with it.....

ps i had to throw in my twocents

Data studs:

Here's a challenge...

Can anyone map this data (the discharge levels at Yellowstone Lake) against both precipitation levels and temperature?

Once we have that data, it will be useful on its own, but what would really be useful would be to then look at historical patterns where there were similar temperatures and precipitation to establish whether the levels are consistent with the normal cycle of events.

This could help determine if discharge is in fact unusual. If it is, then that would be the single reason to worry, since it points to possible rising below the lake.

So can we focus here for a bit?

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I find this part interesting.

Jake Lowenstern, the Menlo Park, Calif.-based scientist in charge of the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory, said theories about the quakes -- such as Lakosh's idea that they're centered on a vent -- aren't impossible, but the evidence is lacking. "I could come up with 100 different theories without any evidence for them and they would all be equally likely," Lowenstern said. "Unless you have some reason to say that's what's going on, then you're not going to get a whole lot of people convinced by your speculation."

Okay Jake, let's add more sensors with higher resolution, in addition to another survey of the lake bottom, and a GPS grid, as well as some magnetic soundings.

We don't have the budget to add more sensors

Now THAT is a catch-22 if I ever heard one.

I did not see this mentioned in this thread.

Chris Saunders is is in a bit of trouble.

Story

Originally posted by Shirakawa
Hi guys, I was wondering if this sequence of (very small) seismic waves on YPC station could mean something:

small-big, small-big, small-big, in a fast crescendo series (2 minutes in total)

On a very rough calculation, the strongest one shouldn't have had a magnitude greater than -0.8 (150 nanometers amplitude on GEE), so we're talking about microquakes, but they're still signs of some activity that is hard to see on webicorders.

Note that as I am writing other very little "small-big" earthquakes seem to be occurring on YPC (on other stations too, but this is where they're easier to see). The strongest one having a 250 nanometers amplitude for now (very approximately equivalent to -0.6 magnitude).

I wonder if in USGS/UUSS calculations of the number of earthquakes occurring every year on Yellowstone, negative magnitude ones are accounted for.

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they are certainly events ... if quite small and close to a lake, or stream, be concerned about the possibility of "Ice quakes" as changing temperatures will generate fractures in the ice sheet ... if U have ever ice-fished U'll know what i'm talking about (U'll have probably heard them ..) big problems in interior Canada/Alaska in the winter for seismologists ... i think a Canadian geophysicist in Victoria with the GSC once hinted to me that they kinda look the other way in winter for small stuff in freezing/frozen areas ...

the same caveat holds for swampy & or soaked & or muddy areas in freezing conditions ...


all that having been said , is YPC close to said features ????

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reply to post by pinkpixiexx


Good Point,

When you do an External Source Quote even if the link to the original source is within your "Reply To" source you have to put the original source their to.

Go to Freshmans Forum to find all the info you will need on how to quote, post etc, do look there and read saved me lots of time and deleted posts etc...
If you look at the bar in Post where you Pressed the EX button for this external Source Quote you will see an picture of the World press that once enter there the name of the source, in this case Casper Star then it will ask you for the URL.

Quoted text then sourced! For a few days after you make your post you can go back to it and press EDIT on the top right of the post and make such changes.

BACK on Topic....

You are right this is very interesting and has changed my entire outlook on this event.

I have gone from Mildly worried to very concerned in One paragraph!

I do need to dig around to check this out and the authors sources However if as stated by Lakash:

I questioned a doctoral student working with Dr. Smith and he revealed that the quakes exhibited a “double coupled signature”

and further which I knew but didnt know this was the case in yellowstone:

this only occurs when rock slides on rock in the absence of fluids, so the quakes weren’t caused by hydrothermal activity

Posted Comment by Lakash in Casper Star Tribune

I am a bit baffled I have been of the opinion, that because of the depth and loction of the swarm it was just hydrothermal activity.

The depth if it is not soo, and I know it is hard to get good resolutions, would though even with a variance of 30% or soo indicate that the rock is moving by magma underneath at most 2km down and at least about 1/2 KM down,

Not and I repeat Not the 5-6KM where the magma is resported to be in long term and traditional understanding of this part of the park.

And this leads to my further concerns I have posted on here and other threads, that more water or the entire lake could be dumped on top of the Hot Solid Cap top of the Magma Chamber, creating a Hydrothermal Explosion further stressing the Cap and creating it to fracture and therefore a full on Magma eruption to take place....

I need to try and find some other source than Lakash for this doubled coupled signature I have not seen It yet....

Anyone Else?

If it is soo I know if I lived within 50 miles of yellowstone and this is shown I would be Packing now to say the least....

And I have been telling everyone to calm down until now!

If there are doubled Coupled Sigs at depths of 200-500metres under the lake it means IMHO one thing... and its very indicitative of a real eruption possibility not just a Hydrothermal one.

Digging.

Kind Regards,

Elf

OK just to add just contacted someone who knows about this more than anyone else posting on this thread that I know about to confirm or debunk Lakashs claims

that in fact we are seeing not hydrothermal activity but magama movement causing the rock to move be deformed at such low depths...


Really worrying if he is right IMHO.

Elf.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
OK just to add just contacted someone who knows about this more than anyone else posting on this thread that I know about to confirm or debunk Lakashs claims

that in fact we are seeing not hydrothermal activity but magama movement causing the rock to move be deformed at such low depths...


Really worrying if he is right IMHO.

Elf.

i lean towards magmatic & hydrothermal pressure at depth causing the resurgent dome deformation ... the faults & rocks could be reaching the limits of how much energy they can store without breaking or moving(in the case of faults) ... a surge in magmatic pressure & or [ hydrothermal fluid movement (along faults, thus lubricating them) ] could be enhancing said effect

just a gut feeling ....

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from what i saw of the claim , i aborted the skim ... i'd say its far out there .. can;t disprove it ,,, but definitly lives out there at the wild edges ...

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Originally posted by LAUTERMILCH
I did not see this mentioned in this thread.

Chris Saunders is is in a bit of trouble.

Story

Good Morning folks!

Its been mentioned, like 3 times a number of pages back. But its always good to have the story reposted to remind folks that playing armchair offical representative through youtube is hardly anything to be taken seriously.

Members here have put out 100 times more data and analyzation than this Sanders fella did in that "look at me" 8 minute video. But no one here ran out and screamed "run to the hills" either. Its quite clear what the agenda here is vs what Sander's agenda was, thats what got him into trouble. A fine example of someone who takes advantage of something and has no real intent on having any concern for people, except to get as many hits and points on a myspace page.



Cheers!!!!

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ah scored this link which i think wouldbe of great help
www.skywise711.com...


then this little story here id worry

www.freerepublic.com...

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Hi and thank you for pointing this out to me...I thought the link to the previous post with source was ok. I will try and add link to source in my post but I have never attempted to put a link in a post before so this is new to me. I will look for the instructions in your link and have a go.

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Originally posted by pantangele
Can anyone map this data (the discharge levels at Yellowstone Lake) against both precipitation levels and temperature?

I have spent a few hours trolling through all the water data I can find.

What I can tell you so far is that:

a) The lake outlet stopped recording temperature of water in 1985 and does not record precipitation.

b) Of the other stations in the YNP area all measurement appear to within the norm. Precipitation has been climbing but gauge levels and discharges are all flat or there abouts, and in some cases falling. 2 stations could not be read for discharge because of ice. Notable exception......

c) The lake is the ONLY station showing increasing discharge and gauge height.

Multiple spelling errors as usual!! Edited

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water in 1895 and !!?? I give up - I need an editor!

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reply to post by MischeviousElf
Good post. Starred.

Have to agree with your comments that we should be concerned if there are double-coupled signatures for some of the quakes beneath the lake. They are not really a good sign, especially with the pattern of decreasing depths that has been noted, charted and mapped within this thread and elsewhere.

The scenario of a large*** hydrothermal explosion leading to a full-on major volcanic eruption is certainly plausible; even the experts seem to be in agreement with each other on that one. There also appears to be common agreement that a large hydrothermal explosion is far more likely in that area (of the lake) than elsewhere. However (as you undoubtedly know but some new readers might not), the last "big" event in Yellowstone about 13,400 years ago was a very powerful hydrothermal explosion, in about the same vicinity as the current swarm and which created the crater that "extended" the lake. I'm only mentioning this as I wouldn't want any new readers to think that a large hydrothermal explosion has to lead to a major volcanic/magmatic eruption event. If that were so, then the last one would have done so. But it doesn't deny the fact that a hydrothermal explosion could be the "trigger" to set the whole thing off, even though the statistical odds are very small indeed.

*** In case anyone wonders, I specified "large" hydrothermal explosion because Yellowstone has small ones fairly regularly. (Some reports suggest a couple each year.) But they are very small compared to what could happen if a large volume of water were to come into contact with magma.

Mike