Whats going on at yellowstone?

I wonder if Indonesia will quiet down while another swarm heats up at Yellowstone? More importantly, once this swarm (if that is what it becomes - still early yet) calms down, does Indonesia get a more intense series?

Also, notice the straight line of quakes across NV? Interesting.

Does the full moon have anything to do with it?

Originally posted by dodadoom

Originally posted by beefytee

Originally posted by dodadoom
When we start seeing smoke and brimstone then we can start to worry?
(and coordinate evacuation plans)

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No that's just a normal montana breezy day.

LOL, I'm pretty close, so I have to stay strapped down here too!

My windmills are puttin out some watts!

Just trying to gain some perspective here.
Which do I need to worry about more,
statistically speaking that is, An asteroid or volcano?
And getting hit by lightning? Car wrecks?
Please, this is as important as all your fancy talk
and high falutin' numbers and such!

Check for odd stats and facts:

funny2.com


www.funny2.com...

could the current full moon (or atleast almost full??) be having any effect on any newly formed lava lake under YS??

(see what i mean....bad beer, bad beer!!)

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Originally posted by startx.jeff

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by Mushussu

 

.i've got beer

What kind of Beer?

crap ineed beer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! send some my way will ya.

ok seriously can we from the data that weget online tell the difference between a normal quake and a harmonic magma quake?

Originally posted by geogeek
reply to post by Mushussu

 

i was also trying to imply ( i failed i guess in conveying intent) that we check the deformation readings to see if we can determine changing stresses / changes in the geometry, such that we can hypothesize something about earthquake movement . Please stop taking me so seriously, I'm harmless ...(if perhaps sometimes not explicit enough in my statements (comes from having never gone beyond 2 finger typing, and trying to economize on keystrokes) )


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I really like this idea. I am fascinated.
I'd like to try to wrap my noggin around it!
Helpin out would be a stretch, but fascinated by it nonetheless!
Thanks for answering all my questions.
You make alot of sense!
Just Mike, VX-7R, RFburns and so many others!
Thank you for your input! Everyone!
(much better than the boob tube)!

This sounds cheaper than the drilling idea anyway.

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Originally posted by nydsdan
I wonder if Indonesia will quiet down while another swarm heats up at Yellowstone? More importantly, once this swarm (if that is what it becomes - still early yet) calms down, does Indonesia get a more intense series?

Also, notice the straight line of quakes across NV? Interesting.

Does the full moon have anything to do with it?

The Moon....maybe...but the line starting in utah going SW down to SoCal setoff the M4.5 so....maybe the line running NW up SoCAl-Nev border will lead to more Long Valley Eq's...setting off more YS Eq's???

Real time Geomagnetic Station Data

It appears that the Alaska Geoscience observatory's picked up a geomagnetic storm earlier today.

It doesn't mean anything... just coincidence I'm sure, since the areas covered are planetary and not continental.

Anyhow, on the discussion of magma movement, I was looking to see if a geomagnetic survey of Yellowstone exists. Liquid rock is still rock, and the movement of magetic minerals in the rock could be detected using this method.

Oh well.... I sure hope that they install some geomagnetic in addition to GPS and seismic sensors. I read the press release from USGS that the National Science Foundation had installed some new sensors in YNP last week.

Good luck to the UoU and YVO lurkers!

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That's it. I am bookmarking this site as my homepage!

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
could the current full moon (or atleast almost full??) be having any effect on any newly formed lava lake under YS??


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It is possible, there have been many quakes after the Super Moon,
the increased magnetic pull will effect things.. i'm not saying that it will
for sure, but its defiantly a possibility.


Edit for link:

Super moon is when the moon is full and closest on its orbit to Earth
www.astropro.com...

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reply to post by nydsdan


I think Indonesia and alaska won't quiet down any time soon given the fact that the plates really exersice a lot of force on each other. But the last couple of days the Nazca plate seemed to have been moved by the pacific plate. Causing less pressure on the Juan de Fuca plate.
It seems that the Nazca plate has settled again and now all the pressure of the pacific plate is starting to put pressure again on the JdF-plate.

Just my two amature geologist two cents.....

reply to post by nydsdan

Very hard to say if there is any connection between Indonesia's activity and what happens in Yellowstone. Indonesia is always very seismically active and has mag 5 or bigger quakes virtually every week. It also has several active volcanoes -- in fact half of the world's active volcanoes are in Indonesia. ("Active" doesn't mean the same as "erupting". It just means there is still activity. Yellowstone, for example, is "active".) There could be some connection; in the greater scheme of things as this is just one planet, they're all connected in some ways, but because Indonesia is so active all the time it would be hard to prove direct links.

Your question about the Moon is a good one. It was raised before in the thread if I recall but a long way back. The answer to the question of whether the Moon can affect quake activity has two answers: one group of experts say "no, there's no evidence that it does", the other says "we have evidence that it does". This article from National Geographic News entitled Can the Moon Cause Earthquakes? gives you the basic picture.

My opinion (for what it's worth ) is that as the Moon is known to have strong effects on large bodies of fluid (eg oceans), then it makes some sense that it might have effects on fluids like magma or subterranean water -- and even on oil deposits. No reason why its effects have to be confined to the surface. And, as some scientists tend to agree, we can at least consider the possibility.

Regards,

Mike

Edit for typo and a new clause.

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last time i saw anything from the volcanolgists, the debate was endless/ heated and conclusions (by mass acceptance) non-existent ....

Has anyone checked this out yet? I pasted the link a long time ago. Has some good links (examples):

geomag.usgs.gov...
geomag.usgs.gov...

From:
METEOQUAKE
Earthquake Prediction: www.meteoquake.org...

if this has nothing to do with it please say so but i believe these are a bit closer to each other that Indonesia and might be related...

Mantle plume minimising earthquakes.(WORLDWATCH)(Juan de Fuca tectonic plate)

Article from: Geographical

Seismic surveys of the Juan de Fuca tectonic plate, located off the northwest coast of the USA, have revealed that a giant magma chamber may be helping to reduce the rate and magnitude of earthquakes in the region.

Geologists from the University of California, Berkeley, have proposed that a large area of upwelling hot rock has effectively lubricated the movement at the plate's boundary as it subducts under the vast North American plate. This, they believe, has reduced the build-up of stress that often occurs along such zones and is released in the form of earthquakes when the plates suddenly slip and adjust to their ...

Did i put the [ ex] [ /ex] right??....learn something new every day.


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"My opinion (for what it's worth ) is that as the Moon is known to have strong effects on large bodies of fluid (eg oceans), then it makes some sense that it might have effects on fluids like magma or subterranean water -- and even on oil deposits. No reason why its effects have to be confined to the surface.

Regards,

Mike "

I wrote some pages back now because this came up before . that somebody actually got a 'Grant' to see if people were really affected by the moon.
Any craziness aside, they found that the human body actually gets taller, if you are standing up... Just a fraction or two in hight.
File under weird science please.

Anyone know if Yellowstone Lake freezes over in the winter? Has anything changed in that respect in the past few weeks?

Originally posted by geogeek
reply to post by severdsoul

 

last time i saw anything from the volcanolgists, the debate was endless/ heated and conclusions (by mass acceptance) non-existent ....

They may be right, i never really found any specific data saying either way. But it makes scene, Magma is melted ore, or rock, mixed with other stuff,
(love my technical terms. *lol*) Some of which are metal particles, which would make it react more to extra magnetic pull.
Although i really have no idea what i'm talking about, but it sounds plausable.

Originally posted by severdsoul

Originally posted by geogeek
reply to post by severdsoul

 

last time i saw anything from the volcanolgists, the debate was endless/ heated and conclusions (by mass acceptance) non-existent ....

They may be right, i never really found any specific data saying either way. But it makes scene, Magma is melted ore, or rock, mixed with other stuff,
(love my technical terms. *lol*) Some of which are metal particles, which would make it react more to extra magnetic pull.
Although i really have no idea what i'm talking about, but it sounds plausable.

I do not believe the earth and moon have magnetic pull on each other. The pull is purely gravitational so it wouldnt matter whether the substance was magnetic or not.

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Yes, I remember you posting that one. I like stuff like that. I'd like it even more if I could swing a grant to study stuff like that.

Back on subject, though... Seeing as we do have a full moon coming up on the 11th (and a pretty bright one at that), if our largest satellite does have any effects then that could be demonstrated in Yellowstone. It wouldn't prove anything, of course. On the other hand, if all activity stops again then that wouldn't really prove the case against either. Years of data really need to be analyzed to get any kind of indications. But for me, it just makes good horse sense that the moon's gravitational influence doesn't have to be confined to tidal effects and making people fractionally taller.

Anyway I'm signing off for now. 10.30 pm and I've not even had a break for dinner yet. Goodnight/afternoon all. Hope it stays peaceful there in that beautiful park.

Mike

Edited to fix italics glitch. Mushussu, got your 2nd U2U okay. Thanks. Talk to you again soon.



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just had to put this in here...(it a bit long bt most interesting!!)

Mei Xue and Richard M. Allen
University of California, Berkeley

Abstract
Beneath the Pacific Northwest the Juan de Fuca plate, a remnant of the Farallon plate, continues subducting beneath the North American continent. To the east of the Cascadia subduction zone lies the Yellowstone hotspot track. The origins of this track can be traced back to the voluminous basaltic outpourings in the Columbia Plateau around 17 Ma. If these basalts are the result of a large melting anomaly rising through the mantle to the base of the North America continent, such as a mantle plume head, the anomaly would need to punch through the subducting Juan de Fuca slab. Here, we use teleseismic body wave travel time tomography to investigate the fate of the subducted slab and its possible interaction with a plume head. Our dataset is derived from the Oregon Array for Teleseismic Study (OATS) deployment in Oregon and all other available seismic data in this region. We image the subducted Juan de Fuca plate in the mantle east of the Cascades beneath Oregon, where the slab has not been imaged before, to a depth of 400 km but no deeper. The slab dips ~50 deg E and has a thickness of ~75 km. Immediately beneath the slab, we image a low velocity layer with a similar geometry to the slab and extending down to at least ~575 km depth in the VS model. The total length of the high velocity slab is ~660 km, about 180 km longer than the estimated length of slab subducted since 17 Ma. Assuming similar slab geometry to today, this 180 km length of slab would reach ~60 km depth, comparable to the thickness of continental lithosphere. We propose that the absence of the slab below 400 km today is due to the arrival of the Yellowstone plume head ~17 Ma, which destroyed the Juan de Fuca slab at depths greater than the thickness of the continental lithosphere. Given this scenario, the low velocity anomaly beneath the slab is likely the remnant plume head material which has been pulled down by traction with the subducting plate. The amplitude of the observed low velocity anomaly is comparable with that expected for plume head material 100-300 deg C hotter than the surrounding asthenosphere.

Now all i have to do is figure out what :" teleseismic body wave travel time tomography" means....

anybody??