Occultism is not Satanism

The link to the occult and Satan is widely known. google and you will find more references that you can count. Secondly the only true word of God the King James Bible confirms it. Man confirms it.......its common knowledge.

Occultism is a tool that Satan uses to lead man from truth. Its another way that leaves a portal so that demons can interact with man and gives man the false impression that he/she has this power. You better believe that the Occult is just another tool that Lucifer uses.

there are different forms of hidden knowledge a dark form and a light form and a sort of middle path form. if the dark form is supposedly satanic then the light form is luciferic and the middle path is akin to the indian aghori.

"He didn't say "Sons of God," he said gods. He said, verbatim from the KJ Bible, "Ye are gods." Who's not reading it correctly?"

It is the reference and is linked together. The sons of God when raptured and returned will be as gods to the people left after the great tribulation. You have to understand the Old Testament reference and the sequence of events before all this happens to Revelation.

"That is exactly what you just said determines if something is legitimate or not. Apparently the King James Bible is not up to your standards, and Jesus is not up to your standards, or else the conclusion you came to was rash. If you want to change the words around to fit your theory, then there is no use in even trying to have a logical discussion about it."

*****The words are fine, its the lack of understanding of Gods word by those that have not discerned the true meaning that makes the difference.

"Also, there is nothing about "rapture" in the Bible."

******Sure is.....in the twinkling of an eye they shall be gone.

"And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming." (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8)

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." (1 Corinthians 15:51)

"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." (Revelation 3:10)

"Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." (Luke 21:36)

"... and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come." (1 Thessalonians 1:10)

"For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

"Not that something has to be in the Bible to be true, of course (think of all the things we've learned WITHOUT the Bible, like SCIENCE -- another tool of Satan?), but for what it's worth."

****Science is bunk and simple as the universe and science is limited to the understanding of four dimensional beings called human. We keep changing the facts as we don't have the capacity to understand a 11 or more dimensional universe. This is why human scientist calls everything a theory.

"He raised himself from death, proclaimed his right to the sit on the right hand of God, and over 500 eyewitnesses to his appearance after death."

"I'm aware of the literal interpretations of the teachings, but I find them ridiculous. Why the right hand of God and not the left? Without going into mystical or occult symbolism, what is the significance? Do you ever stop to think about any of this stuff?"

**** when you create your first universe then you can question the creator. The Bible is literal truth and the symbols are explained, simply said.

Jesus defined himself and then went back to the realm of Heaven to return and according to the signs pretty soon I might add. What mankind did they will be judged for their acts. Those that take Jesus as savior will be spared the Great Tribulations and will life eternal. I suggest that you seriously check into this truth.

reply to post by Skyfloating

I have to agree. I have read the I-Ching for 43 years and the Tarot for over 30 years. During this time I have been a practicing Christian, practicing Vaishnava and a celibate monk for 12 years. My understanding of the 'occult' powers has little to do with my love of God.

One of the things that is mind-expanding about the Vedic teachings is the absence of 'Satan' as a figure. One chapter in the Bhagavad Gita is called "The Divine and Demoniac Natures." These are recognized but not set up as a battle, more of advice for elevation of the soul.

I knew the successor to Alistair Crowley, his name was Tom Driberg M.P. He was introduced to me through friends of George Harrison. When he discovered that my parents lived in his constituancy, he invited us to the Town Hall for an International Folk Dancing Festival. I was sitting in the Mayors Box on the left, with Tom Driberg on my right, then my mother and next my father on the far right.

Tom Driberg would be leaning to his right and telling my mother how they were building bridges and highways, and then turning to me (in my monks robes) and telling me how he was Alistair Crowley's successor and descibes how he initiated Mick Jagger and Marrianne Faithful into all the Black Magic rights. (Paint it Black - Under my Thumb - Goat's Head Soup - Sympathy for the Devil) etc. The whole time trying to grab my crotch! Unabashedly gay.

When he died they discovered that he was a Russian Double Agent.

So the dark side exists and has its servants, as does the light side. From all my studies, the light wins out and the dark mentalities fade into dust. My Guru said that "In his next life President Johnson took birth as a one-celled ameoba and lived 'that' long!" (The click of his fingers). There's a reality check for you...what happens to the truly evil.

The power of truth is that if you only speak the truth - whatever you say becomes true. That is a curse. This is what is meant by 'hidden' or 'secret' knowledge. (Now revealed to you readers who with this knowledge have now become part of 'the occult')

In 1969 I led the excorcism of a Royal Ghost on John & Yoko's Estate - Tittenhurst, that had a house built for it. It wasn't a bad ghost, just stuck in that form. Most people are amazed at the occult. To me it is just a part of life and a valuable part.

In most old cultures, men attaining manhood went through some occult ritual to introduce them to their spiritual side. For American Indians it is Payote, in South America it is Ayuwaska, etc. This is missing in the west, except for personal 'unsupervised' journeys into consciousness through the use of Magic Mushrooms or '___' etc.

Kula.

Responding to the OP. Satanism might not be the believe in Satan. But the fact remains even if it didnt believe in Christianity why have a upside down cross in the first place.

Besides that Satanism is a selfish religion about ones self. And they love to get under people skin. Its people like that in all religions that have start all those so bad religous wars. God bless

In all this occult, its satanic. The only way to have a full relationship with the one true living God is by way of Jesus Christ alone. Its simple.

Originally posted by tgambill
The link to the occult and Satan is widely known. google and you will find more references that you can count. Secondly the only true word of God the King James Bible confirms it. Man confirms it.......its common knowledge.

It`s widely know to be that way, because narrow minded people who believe it to be that way tells the world that it is so. Lol, and the only true word of God, is a book rewritten just to satisfy a narrow minded king, who believed he knew more about what the real word of God was then anyone else? It`s no wonder people are turned off to religion.

Originally posted by tgambill
Occultism is a tool that Satan uses to lead man from truth. Its another way that leaves a portal so that demons can interact with man and gives man the false impression that he/she has this power. You better believe that the Occult is just another tool that Lucifer uses.

Did you ever stop and think, that the King James bible in itself may just be one of those tools you are talking about. People who do nothing but quote the KJ bible are in reality lock, and only see man and the world from that point of view. I feel sorry for those people.

Edit to add a further thought.

Why is it that these people who can only quote verses from the bible, never express their own thoughts or ideas? I say, if your not in reality lock, then use your own thoughts when responding with answers, not something printed in book form, and then used like a teleprompter.

[edit on 24-12-2008 by FiatLux]

Originally posted by tgambill
"He didn't say "Sons of God," he said gods. He said, verbatim from the KJ Bible, "Ye are gods." Who's not reading it correctly?"

It is the reference and is linked together. The sons of God when raptured and returned will be as gods to the people left after the great tribulation. You have to understand the Old Testament reference and the sequence of events before all this happens to Revelation.

"That is exactly what you just said determines if something is legitimate or not. Apparently the King James Bible is not up to your standards, and Jesus is not up to your standards, or else the conclusion you came to was rash. If you want to change the words around to fit your theory, then there is no use in even trying to have a logical discussion about it."

*****The words are fine, its the lack of understanding of Gods word by those that have not discerned the true meaning that makes the difference.

"Also, there is nothing about "rapture" in the Bible."

******Sure is.....in the twinkling of an eye they shall be gone.

"And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming." (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8)

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." (1 Corinthians 15:51)

"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." (Revelation 3:10)

"Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." (Luke 21:36)

"... and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come." (1 Thessalonians 1:10)

"For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

"Not that something has to be in the Bible to be true, of course (think of all the things we've learned WITHOUT the Bible, like SCIENCE -- another tool of Satan?), but for what it's worth."

****Science is bunk and simple as the universe and science is limited to the understanding of four dimensional beings called human. We keep changing the facts as we don't have the capacity to understand a 11 or more dimensional universe. This is why human scientist calls everything a theory.

"He raised himself from death, proclaimed his right to the sit on the right hand of God, and over 500 eyewitnesses to his appearance after death."

"I'm aware of the literal interpretations of the teachings, but I find them ridiculous. Why the right hand of God and not the left? Without going into mystical or occult symbolism, what is the significance? Do you ever stop to think about any of this stuff?"

****

when you create your first universe then you can question the creator. The Bible is literal truth and the symbols are explained, simply said.

Jesus defined himself and then went back to the realm of Heaven to return and according to the signs pretty soon I might add. What mankind did they will be judged for their acts. Those that take Jesus as savior will be spared the Great Tribulations and will life eternal. I suggest that you seriously check into this truth.

I rest my case about those who do nothing but quote from the KJ bible. I for one, don`t give Satan any power, because I don`t believe in him and give him the power that you do. You and those of like mind give him the power that he has, so don`t blame others for the things you create.

Originally posted by tgambill
In all this occult, its satanic. The only way to have a full relationship with the one true living God is by way of Jesus Christ alone. Its simple.

You never did answer my questions from the last page, why is that? You don`t believe in dreams? You don`t believe in thoughts?

Originally posted by tgambill
The sons of God when raptured and returned will be as gods to the people left after the great tribulation.

That is not what Jesus said. I quoted him on the previous page if you want to read it again. And again, there is NOTHING in the Bible about the rapture. The concept of rapture came about in the 1800's and did not exist before then. Your own statements do not pass your "litmus test."

The words are fine, its the lack of understanding of Gods word by those that have not discerned the true meaning that makes the difference.

I agree.

Science is bunk

Let's see. You're using a computer right now. Did the Bible bring us the wisdom to create it?

Since you are using a computer, you're probably in a house that has electricity. Where in the Bible does it explain how to use electricity?

You probably also have electrical lighting. Did Thomas Edison use the Bible to invent the light bulb?

Do you have a car? (Science) Do you work somewhere (that also uses technology? -- Science)?

I could go on and on. All of these things gifts of science. What do we have to show for the Bible? Bigotry, ignorance, people killing each other for hundreds of years. I could go on and on here, too.

When the Bible says to "restrain yourself," I say some of you should take that literally.

Those that take Jesus as savior will be spared the Great Tribulations and will life eternal. I suggest that you seriously check into this truth.

You're no different or any more logical than a fundamentalist, zealot Muslim. I hope you realize that. They use all the same kinds of "logic" that you do, and are no more effective at converting me.

[edit on 24-12-2008 by bsbray11]

Originally posted by tgambill
Occultism is a tool that Satan uses to lead man from truth. Its another way that leaves a portal so that demons can interact with man and gives man the false impression that he/she has this power. You better believe that the Occult is just another tool that Lucifer uses.

Hahaha, you are a very funny man. You have a unique sense of humor. And Religion leads to ignorance, right?

I do believe that the rapture is possible in scripture. Its more a matter of opinion. But I do believe that some that are saved will disapear.

And as for the King James bible as the only word of God. Thats bull. The King James bible would not what it is today with the origional greek and hebrew texts. In fact many new bibles are closer to the original texts than the King James. But still the King James is one of the highest and best of bibles as long as you can understand it. But that does'nt mean that its the only bible worth reading. God bless

After John finished the Revelation the last few verses are specific about changing the Words or taking some away. The Illuminati has engineered the deception very subtle by changing key words to have certain effects and distort the truth. For example some versions make God gender Neutral. This completely false. Jesus is God in human form, need I say more.

The King James Bible is the only true version.

www.prophecytalk.com...

www.deanburgonsociety.org...

www.bible-media.com...

Originally posted by tgambill
After John finished the Revelation the last few verses are specific about changing the Words or taking some away. The Illuminati has engineered the deception very subtle by changing key words to have certain effects and distort the truth. For example some versions make God gender Neutral. This completely false. Jesus is God in human form, need I say more.

The King James Bible is the only true version.

www.prophecytalk.com...

www.deanburgonsociety.org...

www.bible-media.com...

God is both male and female. Jesus is God in human form, as are all of us. As far as the King James bible being the only true version, i`m sure there are other religions in this world who believe the same thing about their own books. This is my opinion, be it right or wrong.


That is what`s nice about free will, everyone can believe in whatever they want, without being looked down on by others.

"God is both male and female. Jesus is God in human form"

*****God is a male figure as he is spirit but he came down as male. He commands that man is head of household and spiritual leader but man has not fullfilled that command. This is the reason that they have rewritten the KJV to convolute the truth and one example is making God a neutral gender. He is not neutral.

"as are all of us."

*****We are four dimensional beings, incapable of creating and we can't even destroy. We can only change the shape of what is already created. We create in our measly four dimensional world from elements and materials already created we just change the shape and composition by using forces already created. We are by no stretch gods yet....only those that take Jesus Christ as savior and are born again in the new spirit will be as saints. Its clear. Its free will. Man never has and never will create a universe...........or create life. The New Age Movement is based on a luciferian theology and in reality, when researched, can be compared tenant for tenant to its brother, Nazism. fact...

"As far as the King James bible being the only true version, i`m sure there are other religions in this world who believe the same thing about their own books. This is my opinion, be it right or wrong."

*****Satan has formulated other religions to lead man from the truth and salvation that Jesus Christ died and rose again for. Its like a famous Atheist said..."All religions can be false, but only one can be true". He was right...and the true one is not a religion, as Jesus didn't come down to bring religion he brought salvation and soon to bring judgment. religion is man's and Satans invention to control and mislead man.

"That is what`s nice about free will, everyone can believe in whatever they want, without being looked down on by others."

***** So called Christians that look down upon others are called hypocrites and will be judged by God as such.

After John finished the Revelation the last few verses are specific about changing the Words or taking some away. The Illuminati has engineered the deception very subtle by changing key words to have certain effects and distort the truth. For example some versions make God gender Neutral. This completely false. Jesus is God in human form, need I say more. The King James Bible is the only true version.

Lol. Apparently, the Illuminati is very subtle... you DO realize that Sir Francis Bacon edited the King James version of the bible? And that Francis Bacon was rumored to be heavily involved in esotericism and the occult? And that Francis Bacon is widely considered to be the true author of the many Shakespearean works - which, if true, means he was undoubtedly knee deep in the occult? (Just read lots of Shakespeare for proof that occultism does not equal satanism!)

In fact, according to Manly P. Hall:
"The first edition of the King James Bible, which was edited by Francis Bacon and prepared under Masonic supervision, bears more Mason's marks than the Cathedral of Strasburg." (Please Note: I'm not one of those fanatics who see Masons at the root of all things evil/Luciferian/Illuminati/NWO related, but chances are the poster I'm quoting is)

Do you still think the King James Bible is the only true version?

"Did you ever stop and think, that the King James bible in itself may just be one of those tools you are talking about. People who do nothing but quote the KJ bible are in reality lock, and only see man and the world from that point of view. I feel sorry for those people."

*****Yes, and if that were the case why do the Christian and Catholic clergy try to distort its teachings and rewrite it? think on that one.

"Why is it that these people who can only quote verses from the bible, never express their own thoughts or ideas?"

****Because Satan influences and inspires thoughts and feelings when one does not have the power of the Holy Spirit in them.

"I for one, don`t give Satan any power, because I don`t believe in him and give him the power that you do. You and those of like mind give him the power that he has, so don`t blame others for the things you create."

****Satan gets his power in three ways. First he convinces mankind he does not exist. This gives him power by presenting his symbols, his agenda to lead man from Jesus which is the main purpose anyway. We don't create this, we bring to light his deceptions. Secondly he has Satan worshippers believing in Satan, evil and cunning, ugly and powerful. Another lie. Third, he convinces people that he is Lucifer, angel of light and wisdom and peaceful.....which is the Illuminati and another lie.