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posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:08 PM

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Those camel jockey extremist are a race I got issues with. Jokes on them because we are killing them as we speak in Iraq.

andy1033

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:09 PM

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hang on a minute SimpleTruth, i think cyrus has some good points, america are forcing there culture onto arabs, you do not know how powerfull the people in washington are about selling there lies. they force it all on us with mass conditioning, just look at our western society.

your ideas about the western governments are naive. in another post you wrote how all the people died in vain in the past so todays government can take our freedoms, and now you are saying that the wertern governments promote freedom.

i live in england and england is a police state, and america is fast becoming one, period.

remember the 55 million that died in vain in world war 2 so the western governments can now take our freedoms

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Facefirst

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by jrod
Those camel jockey extremist are a race I got issues with. Jokes on them because we are killing them as we speak in Iraq.

Show some class you racist asswipe.

Iraq consists of many different cultures in borders that the British drew up.

jrod

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:18 PM

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First class or no class. You know what I mean with the extremists. I could have used way more derogatory words to describe them.

You're racist for calling me racist.

Racism is dead with the educated.

SimpleTruth

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by andy1033
hang on a minute SimpleTruth, i think cyrus has some good points, america are forcing there culture onto arabs, you do not know how powerfull the people in washington are about selling there lies. they force it all on us with mass conditioning, just look at our western society.

your ideas about the western governments are naive. in another post you wrote how all the people died in vain so todays government can take our freedoms, and now you are saying that the wertern governments promote freedom.

i live in england and england is a police state, and america is fast becoming one, period.

remember the 55 million that died in vain in world war 2 so the western governments can now take our freedoms

[Edited on 6-4-2004 by andy1033]

I see your points on my two posts. But the fact is, is that we don't have the amount of power there as to do what our government is doing to its own people. Don't misunderstand me. I think our gov has some issues right now, but I'm making a distinction between our gov and the ideals of western practices and traits. We do not pass laws in the Middle East. So anything that supports western business over there is the very people of that region. Even if Washington is so sly as you say, when you get down to it, it's still the people's choice if they want it or not. And part of America's problem is not just the gov, but the fact that we American people LET it get to such a point. We haven't stopped or stood up against much. So, I still think that despite what Washington may be doing and the powers of the US gov, they are still not FORCING western economies or products or what have you on Arabs. They buy and consume what they want freely.

Here in America, we are starting to be taken advantage of because the gov has DIRECT power over us compared to in the ME. So we definitely need to do somehting. But I have issues with the gov NOT with traditional western values. The gov is exploiting those values and abusing them to get their agenda progressed further. I hope that makes sense to you on how I'm differentiating the two and how ultimately it is the people's choice whether here or in the ME.

Facefirst

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by jrod
First class or no class. You know what I mean with the extremists. I could have used way more derogatory words to describe them.

You're racist for calling me racist.

Racism is dead with the educated.

Racist for calling you a racist? That makes absolutely no sense. If you are going to say something like that, you should back it up. Racism is dead with the educated? If that was true, then you would not have had to use a deragatory term to describe a group you have a problem with. Instead, you use a term that refers to an entire population of people, not just the extremists you detest.

I have a problem with extremists of any kind. That includes both Muslims and US fanatical patriots. They do more harm than good.

again, show some class.

andy1033

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:31 PM

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Even if Washington is so sly as you say, when you get down to it, it's still the people's choice if they want it or not.

this is one of those false lies that is present in our society, it is not the people that have power it is those behind the scenes that have the power. one example of people having no power

you wrote on another topic that you believe now that there is no left or right parties in reality.

yep you are right this is just an illusion to give the impression that people have a choice and people have the power to decide who rules.

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jrod

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:33 PM
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I dont know where this is going but generalizing human behavior by race/family heritage is not racist.

Those Islamic extremist need to be dealt with.

US extremist if they are serious can join the military and see first hand what fighting is about. Those who go crazy and open up fire on innocent civilians should be dealt with too.

Cyrus

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by SimpleTruth
Cyrus, I cannot STAND your claims that all the problems in the Middle East are due to America! That is so beyond.....just ANY kind of common sense! Seriously man, what the hell? That's fine if you really think that, but if you do, then I'm concerned about you.

[B] LIKE I CARE? [/B]

There are so many tribes, sects, divisions, groups, enemies and allies, religious affiliations, cultural affiliations, national affiliations etc. WITHIN the region and they all war amongst each other! name them... tell me, before isra-hell was placed "oh so conveniently" smack down in the middle of the middle-east...were there any problems? not really now were there???

I can't believe you don't see that.well...my labelling you a jew in this case would be ironic wouldnt' it? however, every person wants to believe what they think is best for their personal benefit...disagree with that and i refuse to argue with you on any level

To blame everything on America is just ignorant! and to claim ignorance on some1's oppinion...is??

You may think the invasion of Iraq was ill-timed or planned, and you know what, I'm not even arguing against you on that. But how can you think we ruined the ME? It's laughable.

actually? since the day isra-hell was plopped down in the middle-east the arabs weren't given a break in that region, take a look, lebanon, civil war 1975, jordan lost it's battle despite it's having british-trained troops back then, isra-hell was a problem...still is, go figure

Also, your concerns about us westernizing all nations: excuse me............HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHU!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, so what are you claiming? Do we shove McDonalds down their throats like a mom does to her baby? Do we force our evil music and movies on them? Do we require of all Arabs a quota that they have to be a certain amount westernized? HA! Ignorance!

okay... the pied piper played his tunes, lured the kids into the caves..and they were not to be seen ever again, and i guess the piper just felt like playing them tunes back in that fairy-tale huh?

newsflash: hollywood....movies...films...all forms of entertainment, is a pass-time, it offers a distraction, hollywood stars, gossip, magazines, all forms of westernized media, im not saying that's wrong is it? but when you infiltrate other countries with fastfood etc... lol, take a look at the girls in moscow, pshhhh! lardy-assed uglies...sad to see really, westernization? is a problem, i call it "syndroma americana".

Do you even KNOW what western ideals are? It's called a FREE-MARKET ECONOMY or CAPITALISM. Key words: FREE-MARKET.......emphasis on FREE!!!!!!! LOL! Even if we were IMPOSING on them so horribly, they don't HAVE to do ANYTHING related to western culture, because by DEFINITION, western culture promotes freedom for whoever to do whatever they want! In other words, Arabs don't have to touch one happy meal you ignoramus!

if you're so liberal why's your government labelling you all like sheep? about as free-market economy as my arse is, are you proud of your population btw? and how mad will some people get when word spreads about how soft-drinks catalyse the reactions taking place in your stomach, and therefore...the food breakdown process is vehemently increased, meaning...fatty layers build up at a phenomenal rate simply because the food gets digested so fast, all this for profit (you tend to buy more burgers with every visit)

So what can you deduct from what's happening? Oh, maybe that some Muslims WANT western trends! Do you know what supply and demand is? If no one in that region WANTED any western music, media, food, clothes, etc. no one would BUY any of it. Therefore, it would GO OUT OF BUSINESS, meaning IT WOULDN'T BE THERE! So BECAUSE western ideals pop up there is testament to the fact that there are actually people who LIKE it! The GOVERNMENTS don't like it because their people taking to western trends means TROUBLE FOR THEIR GREEDY POWER!! That's where the conflict comes in.

i know what supply and demand is...but tell you what, why dont you discuss mcdonald's ever declining revenue, i'm sure some people suffering from obesity are now realizing, that a healthy diet is probably the best thing...*sigh* when you're done with explaining how "affected" your populace has been by mcdonalds alone, cults...big mac's...cokes....M$...god damnit, EVERYTHING the world doesn't really need comes from under western arseholes THESE DAYS HUH??im not asking you to point out some of the advantages, like taking over iraq for instance (sigh).

How is America wrong for simply displaying her ideals? It's up to everyone on who WANTS them. It's like advertising. We show what we have, and they can take if they want! So if you have trouble with these facts, why don't you join some group of suicide bombers or something to actually put some action into those words you're farting out.

capitalism... novi-ruskies roam the world in porches, while the not-so-fortunate die from starvation, i am a liberal... i believe being a socialist is wrong? i also believe that the U.S is a sesspit, why do you all own so many guns anyway? there's like more guns than people there damnit.

you do realize that the U.S would still be respected if you guys would have kept your "bad sides" to yourself, obesity is affecting the world BECAUSE of the U.S, terrorism is affecting the world BECAUSE of the U.S, guess what? the U.S.S.R will rejoin someday, russia's too weak to fight it's way through this one, so i doubt NATO would survive for long..

as for your inept attitude, you've really failed to express yourself, so go pick some1 elses arsehole about this matter.

Facefirst

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by jrod
I dont know where this is going but generalizing human behavior by race/family heritage is not racist.
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That is the single most idiotic statement I have heard this year.

I have said/typed some pretty stupid things in my life, but I can't believe you even typed that.

Your answer begs the question.......How old are you?

Facefirst

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Cyrus
newsflash: hollywood....movies...films...all forms of entertainment, is a pass-time, it offers a distraction, hollywood stars, gossip, magazines, all forms of westernized media, im not saying that's wrong is it? but when you infiltrate other countries with fastfood etc... lol, take a look at the girls in moscow, pshhhh! lardy-assed uglies...sad to see really, westernization? is a problem, i call it "syndroma americana".

if you're so liberal why's your government labelling you all like sheep? about as free-market economy as my arse is, are you proud of your population btw? and how mad will some people get when word spreads about how soft-drinks catalyse the reactions taking place in your stomach, and therefore...the food breakdown process is vehemently increased, meaning...fatty layers build up at a phenomenal rate simply because the food gets digested so fast, all this for profit (you tend to buy more burgers with every visit)

Have you ever actually been to America? Do you actually know any Americans?

SimpleTruth

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:53 PM
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To Cyrus from Ukraine,

Wow, you diverge to the make-up of soft drinks and obesity. Then you touch on guns. How and why did you start with that? Did I say ANYthing about that? That's not to do with the point! RiDICulous. I think all of that just reveals your agenda. It's not about what the US does or our western ideals. It wouldn't matter WHAT we do, you're gonna not like us. But I'm debating with you no further. You're not worth it. I'm sorry, but I don't think we should give a care what someone from Ukraine thinks when it comes to something that has nothing to do with your country. You have displayed little knowledge that isn't influenced by your feelings. I don't care what you think of us, but don't let your emotions affect your logic.

[Edited on 6-4-2004 by SimpleTruth]

Ambient Sound

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by jrod
I dont know where this is going but generalizing human behavior by race/family heritage is not racist.

Those Islamic extremist need to be dealt with.

US extremist if they are serious can join the military and see first hand what fighting is about. Those who go crazy and open up fire on innocent civilians should be dealt with too.

Yes, generalizing human behaviour by race/family heritage IS racist. That is exactly what racism is.

racism from
Dictionary.com

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Yes, the Islamic Fundimentalists do need to be stopped. We agree on that.

I would join the military in a heartbeat and would have after 9-11, but I am unfortunately too old.

jrod

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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People of different races, in generall, have different values. This is a fact.

It has nothing to do with one race being inferior or superior it has to do with what their family teaches them as a child.

Asians will likly teach their children about Buddah or Shintoism, Whites about Jesus, Jews about Moses, Arabs about Mohamed, Blacks are the most diverse race and their values IMO are not as easy to generalize as other races.

Family heritage and values are a major player in who you are.

Sorry for being off topic.

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Cyrus

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 03:01 PM
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for the record,

i've been to newyork four times already, i've been to most of europe, i've met enough americans, within the U.S and tourists to judge for myself, that things aren't all that great in the U.S anyway, and i would never like to live there?

no matter how cold moscow could get, i'd still prefer the homeland, so eh...while simpletruth argues how capitalism is the best thing that humanity's ever experienced, i can always secretly s'n-word' about it, he's obviously profitted from it so he wont give in over the matter?

i've profitted massively from capitalism, however...reality clicks in and reminds me constantly on how flawed and over-ridden the system may be, built on corruption it's destined to get toppled.
we have yet to figure out that "perfect" system (knowing there really is no such thing...).

IRAN will never be taken over, though, seriously now...the iranian mountains?? i remember downloading some footage (i tend to educate myself) when the revolution occured, and even back then, when the iranian people hooked up their torturers by the testicles to high-voltage electrodes, there still was some mercy, but the way i see it? the U.S will be spent a worse fate.

we've gotten really off-topic on this btw, and i'm ever so sorry about doing so.
Cyrus

djs0ma

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Springer

Originally posted by Cyrus
the american empire

has already been defeated, the people in iraq are rebelling, time to relax, rip open a can of beer, and watch the show.

face it AMER, the U.S just wont win any wars,(you may win battles...i.e afghanistan, iraq) but it simply wont happen, GB or not

i am a russian, pro-war rubes disgust me,
this is just getting ridiculous, you people just wont learn will you??

ON WITH THE WAR time to teach pro-war f**kers a lesson.
Cyrus

This from the MIGHTY empire of the Ukrain huh? Look man you were conquered for 50+ years and after reading this tripe I can see why.

Go back to your cold little corner of the world and let the LEADERS handle the dirty work...

m...

Agreed!

Facefirst

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Cyrus
for the record,

i've been to newyork four times already, i've been to most of europe, i've met enough americans, within the U.S and tourists to judge for myself, that things aren't all that great in the U.S anyway, and i would never like to live there?

Regardless of where you like to live, judging the entire US by having been to NYC a few times is wrong. That would be like me only going to Berlin and then judging all of Europe on my experiences in that one place. Or Judging Europe on the Europeans I have met here in NY. Even though the majority of Americans speak the same lanquage, the US is a pretty diverse place. Perhaps you should schedule some more trips to see more of America before you generalize the US anymore than you already have.

I have been to Europe a few times and enjoyed it. But I will not generalize the place or it's people. That would be arrogant.

[Edited on 6-4-2004 by Facefirst]

Cyrus

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Springer

Originally posted by Cyrus
the american empire

has already been defeated, the people in iraq are rebelling, time to relax, rip open a can of beer, and watch the show.

face it AMER, the U.S just wont win any wars,(you may win battles...i.e afghanistan, iraq) but it simply wont happen, GB or not

i am a russian, pro-war rubes disgust me,
this is just getting ridiculous, you people just wont learn will you??

ON WITH THE WAR time to teach pro-war f**kers a lesson.
Cyrus

This from the MIGHTY empire of the Ukrain huh? Look man you were conquered for 50+ years and after reading this tripe I can see why.

Go back to your cold little corner of the world and let the LEADERS handle the dirty work...

m...

i'd get more stimulation yelling at a cow for eating grass springer, get a life and leave the harley in the shed, you've smoked your last bong.
your mind's too little to be left to wander about on it's own.

Cyrus

Cyrus

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Facefirst

Originally posted by Cyrus
for the record,

i've been to newyork four times already, i've been to most of europe, i've met enough americans, within the U.S and tourists to judge for myself, that things aren't all that great in the U.S anyway, and i would never like to live there?

Regardless of where you like to live, judging the entire US by having been to NYC a few times is wrong. That would be like me only going to Berlin and then judging all of Europe on my experiences in that one place. Or Judging Europe on the Europeans I have met here in NY. Even though the majority of Americans speak the same lanquage, the US is a pretty diverse place. Perhaps you should schedule some more trips to see more of America before you generalize the US anymore than you already have.

I have been to Europe a few times and enjoyed it. But I will not generalize the place or it's people. That would be arrogant.

[Edited on 6-4-2004 by Facefirst]

okay...then i would suggest going to some teenchat rooms, why dont you do that then

the american "future" that is, (not saying russians are any better...but at least they have some decency?)

Cyrus

Facefirst

posted on Apr, 6 2004 @ 04:13 PM
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I have been to Europe a few times and enjoyed it. But I will not generalize the place or it's people. That would be arrogant.

[Edited on 6-4-2004 by Facefirst]

okay...then i would suggest going to some teenchat rooms, why dont you do that then

the american "future" that is, (not saying russians are any better...but at least they have some decency?)

Cyrus

Teen chatrooms? What are you talking about? Make some sense please.
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