I Think I'm Being Followed

Originally posted by picrat
reply to post by Solo954

 

VISTA and bill gates and the US government go hand and hand 8 to 15 megs of your computer is set up from the factory so that the US government and all governments have full access to your computer.

Come on - now who is being paranoid! Show me a single reputable source for this drivel and ill buy you a beer -

XP is also an MS operating system

Okey. I'd have to agree with the others who have mentioned the possibility that you're schizo or going schizo. The fact that you're talking about seeing or being aware of other dimensions/differences of how time works for normal people vs how it works for you both definetely point to that. I mention just these two examples however you stated numerous other bits of info that made me think schizo. Also I have experimented with hallucinagenic and mind altering drugs. I believe that there is more to the world that the human brain allows us to percieve. And this has been studied thoroughly. The guy who posted about the still seizures added a lot I think.

But my big question is: What about this Kobe? Does he still work with you? Have seen or talked to him since the time you described?

Now to take it the other way. Viewing this from both sides. You say these things have been happening for a while. Can you try to remember when the first time was? Where were you? What were you doing? Who were you with? Can you connect your experiences to any conspiracy theories that are out there? Have there been any alien, 2012, mayan, mystic, or other related connections with what you're going through that you can share with us? Because so far you've given us a piece of (what does not appear to be the whole) a story, and you've responded to peoples replies saying yes, no, or maybe theyre right. But we need more detail from you

Try to think about this logically. Why, after this guy telling you a "story" would you all the sudden start being followed? If that is the case then EVERY person who reads this thread is going to be followed as well. For what reason, even if this guy is right (which I doubt) would they follow you? You don't know anything. Has this other guy been followed? Just think about it..... What would make them want to see what it is you are doing?

You said that you lost time between following the dog and getting back to your car, but that you were standing there in a trance. How can you say you "lost" time. If you were in a daze, you don't know how long it was for. It is not like it was a long amount of time. Twenty minutes, half an hour, that goes by quick.

This is just my personal opinion, I think it is your imagination. Maybe not all of it though. Maybe because you have this in your head you are reading into things more then necessary. The human imagination is wild and it can play tricks on you. I am not saying you are crazy or anything. It probably is real to you, and maybe it is. I just think that it is not the reality you think it is.

Do you know what I mean when I say that?

In the meantime, I will let you know if people start to follow me!

To the OP...

Brother, that is a seriously odd set of experiences you have related. Perhaps you should unplug from ATS for a while and chill out doing something else.

If you are experiencing missing time, it would also be prudent to seek medical advice as it could be a symptom of a serious underlying medical condition.

Lowlevelmason is entirely correct about the phone interception issue. If "they" are doing it, you would not be aware of it as it is done through the telephone exchange and is mainly digital. There are no clicks, beeps or tin can comms with modern telecommunications interception methodology. Amateur wiretaps such as those undertaken by some of the less scrupulous private investigators out there who do not have access to the exchange and have to use antique interception tech may lead to clicks, hums or beeps on the line. Is there any reason why someone would sic a private eye onto you?

The fact that you are having weird stuff happening to both your computer and your phone indicates to me that you are experiencing a line fault. Had any wet weather lately?

As for being followed, what you have related does not fit my experience of covert surveillance. Perhaps you have been driving erratically an not known it, which has caused other drivers to act strangely around you on the road?

If you are worried about the possibility of being under physical surveillance, read the following article. It is the best open source reference for detecting physical surveillance available. Remember, when it comes to detecting physical surveillance, once might be unusual - twice is probably coincidence - but thrice is a clear pattern. yes, I have experience in conducting covert physical surveillance.

Surveillance Recognition:

Surveillance is required for successful terrorist planning. Experience has taught us that terrorist attacks are generally preceded by pre-operational surveillance in which terrorists gather target intelligence. Surveillance is defined as the process of keeping facilities, vehicles and persons under observation in order to obtain detailed information. Any indications of surveillance should be reported immediately to the the security office of your organization and/or the police.

All training programs designed to protect individuals from becoming victims of terrorism recommend that people be alert to surveillance. This is excellent advice, but, unfortunately, in most instances it is insufficient, because people have had no training in detecting surveillance, and terrorist organizations are often relatively sophisticated in their surveillance methods. Detecting surveillance conducted by trained experts is not as easy as most Hollywood films would lead us to believe. Fortunately, however, the type of surveillance conducted by terrorist organizations is not normally as elaborate as that done by intelligence organizations nor does it involve as many people or as much equipment. Nevertheless, for people to have a reasonable chance at detecting most forms of surveillance they would have to be somewhat familiar with the techniques used.

The purpose of surveillance is to determine (1) the suitability of the potential target based upon the physical and procedural security precautions that the individual has taken and (2) the most suitable time, location, and method of attack. This surveillance may last for days or weeks depending upon the length of time it takes the surveillants to obtain the information that they require. Naturally, the surveillance of a person who has set routines and who takes few precautions will take less time. The people undertaking the surveillance will often not take part in the attack, nor will the attack take place while surveillance is still in progress.

Before undertaking surveillance most experts gather information about the subject from other sources. Public records of information made available to the terrorist organization (continues...)

continued... from a sympathetic individual within an organization, local police, or other government office may reveal useful facts about an individual such as the names of family members, an address, a description of vehicles and license numbers, photographs, etc. The surveillants will also make a reconnaissance of the neighborhood in which the target lives and works. This permits them to select positions of observation, the types of vehicles to use, the clothing to be worn, and the type of ruse to use that will give them an ordinary or normal appearance and plausible reasons to be in the area.

There are basically three forms of surveillance: foot, vehicle, and stationary (generally categorized as either mobile or static). A brief description of the most common techniques used for each of these forms and methods for detecting each one follows:

One or more individuals may undertake foot surveillance. One-person foot surveillance is rather complicated and fairly easy to detect. The surveillance must remain close to the target, particularly in congested areas, to avoid losing him or her. In less congested areas the surveillant can maintain a greater distance, but the lack of other pedestrians makes the surveillant that much more noticeable. The one complicating factor is the use of a disguise to make the surveillant look different (perhaps a uniform). One possible use of a disguise is a shopping bag or some other container for a change of clothes, particularly if the shopping bag is from a store not found in the area or the container somehow seems out of place. Where a disguise is suspected, pay particular attention to shoes and slacks or skirts. These items are less easily and, therefore, less commonly changed. In elevators, watch for people who seem to wait for you to push a button and then select a floor one flight above or below yours.

Two-person foot surveillance is more effective in that the second surveillant provides greater flexibility. Normally, one surveillant remains close to the target while the other stays at a greater distance. The second surveillant may follow the first on the same side of the street or travel on the opposite side. Periodically the two surveillants change position so that if the target spots one of them, that one will soon be out of sight, leading the target to think that he or she was mistaken. Obviously, spotting this form of surveillance is more complicated, but individuals who are alert to the people in their vicinity will eventually detect the same surveillant over a period of time.

Foot surveillance with three or more people uses the most sophisticated techniques and is the most difficult to spot. Generally, one surveillant remains behind the target close enough to respond to any sudden moves. A second surveillant remains behind the first on the same side of the street with the first surveillant in sight. A third surveillant travels on the opposite side of the street parallel with or just behind the target. In areas where the target has few paths to choose, one surveillant may walk in front of the target, where he or she is least likely to cause suspicion. The positions of the surveillants are frequently changed, most commonly at intersections. The surveillant directly behind the target may move to the opposite side of the street, while another surveillant moves in close behind the target. With the additional surveillants, any surveillant who feels that he or she has been observed may drop out of the formation. The use of this sophisticated technique requires that people be alert not only to those people behind them but also to those across the street and perhaps in front of them. If the same person is seen more than once over a certain distance, surveillance may be suspected even if that person is not continuously seen.

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Common methods for detecting surveillance apply to all three forms of foot surveillance. The most effective are:


stopping abruptly and looking to the rear,
suddenly reversing your course,
stopping abruptly after turning a corner,
watching reflections in shop windows or other reflective surfaces,
entering a building and leaving immediately by another exit,
walking slowly and then rapidly at intervals,
dropping a piece of paper to see if anyone retrieves it,
boarding or exiting a bus or subway just before it starts, and
making sudden turns or walking around the block.
While taking these actions, watch for people who are taken by surprise, react inappropriately, suddenly change direction, or give a signal to someone else. Surveillants will not normally look directly at the target, but they may do so if they are surprised or unaware that you are observing them.

Foot surveillance is often used in conjunction with vehicle surveillance since it is likely that the target will use a combination of foot and vehicle transportation. Vehicles used for surveillance are inconspicuous in appearance and of a subdued color. Frequently, the inside dome light is made inoperative so that it will not illuminate the interior of the car when the door is opened. Vehicles will have two or more people in them so that if the target parks his or her vehicle and walks away, the surveillance can be resumed on foot while the driver remains with the vehicle. While moving, the driver gives full attention to driving while the observer operates the radio, watches the target, and makes notes on the target's activities. Sometimes it will be necessary for surveillants to break traffic regulations to avoid losing you. If you see a vehicle run a red light, make an illegal U?turn, travel over the speed limit, or make dangerous or sudden lane changes in an apparent effort to keep up with you, you should, of course, be suspicious of that vehicle. The distance between a surveillance vehicle and the target will vary depending on the speed at which the vehicles are traveling and the amount of traffic. Surveillants will try to keep one or two vehicles between themselves and the target.

As with foot surveillance, vehicle surveillance may be undertaken using only one vehicle or using two or more vehicles. One-vehicle surveillance suffers from the same drawbacks as one-person foot surveillance. The target has to be kept in view at all times and followed by the same vehicle. Surveillants can try to overcome this advantage somewhat by changing seating arrangements within the vehicle; putting on and taking off hats, coats, and sunglasses; changing license plates; and turning off onto side streets and then turning back to resume the tail. This makes it necessary for a person suspecting surveillance to remember aspects of a following vehicle that cannot easily be changed such as the make, model, and color of the car and any body damage such as rust, dents, etc.

The use of two or more vehicles permits surveillance to switch positions or to drop out of the surveillance when necessary. One vehicle follows the target vehicle and directs other vehicles by radio. The other vehicle may follow behind the lead surveillance vehicle, precede the target vehicle, or travel on parallel roads. At intersections, the vehicle following directly behind the target vehicle will generally travel straight ahead while alerting all other vehicles of the direction in which the target vehicle has turned. Another vehicle in the formation will then take a position behind the target and become the lead vehicle, taking over the responsibility for giving instructions to other surveillants. The former lead vehicle then makes a U?turn or travels around the block to take up a new position ready to resume the lead vehicle position again when necessary.

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People who have well established routines permit surveillants to use methods that are much more difficult to detect. If, for example, you leave the office at the same time each day and travel by the most direct route to your home or if you live in a remote area with a few or no alternate routes to your home, surveillants have no need to follow you all the way to your residence. An alternative method of surveillance in such situations is leading surveillance and progressive surveillance. In leading surveillance the surveillant travels in front of the target while the observer watches for turns. When the target turns, this is noted. The next day the surveillant makes a turn where the target did the previous day. Over a period of time the surveillants will discover the entire route to the residence while still driving in a position that creates much less suspicion. There are two forms of progressive surveillance. In the first form, surveillants are placed at intersections along the probable routes of the target. When the target makes a turn, this is noted and the position of the surveillants is adjusted to check the next intersection. Eventually, this method leads the surveillants to the residence. In the second form or progressive surveillance, a vehicle will follow the target for a short distance and then turn off. On successive days the surveillant picks up the target where he or she left off the previous day. Leading and progressive surveillance are extremely difficult to detect, but you should not give anyone the opportunity to use these methods.

The most effective methods for detecting most forms of vehicle surveillance are:


making a U-turn where it is safe to do so,
making a turn to the right or left (in general, right turns create greater complications for surveillants because of oncoming traffic that may delay a turn),
going through a traffic light just as it is turning red,
stopping just beyond a curve or hill, and
circling a block.
In each case, watch for the reactions of any vehicles that you may suspect. Any vehicles that make unusual maneuvers should be carefully noted. Do not forget to check for motorcycles or motorbikes, since in many parts of the world they seem to be favored by surveillants because they move easily through heavy traffic.

Stationary surveillance is commonly used by terrorist organizations. As mentioned earlier, most attacks take place near the residence or office because that part of the route is least easily varied. Most people are more vulnerable in the morning when departing for work, because morning departure times are more predictable than are evening arrivals.

Surveillants seek a position that permits them to observe the residence or office clearly without being observed or suspected. Surveillants want to identify observation points that afford the best view of the target. Foot and vehicular traffic, buildings and terrain around each government facility vary with each location. Pedestrian traffic, rush hour traffic flow, temporary street closure, etc. will affect observation points. If the surveillants decide that it is best not to be seen, they may obtain an apartment or rent office space in the area that provides for an adequate view, but such apartments or office space may not be available and the renting of an apartment or office space could provide clues for a subsequent investigation. The use of an apartment or office space for surveillance, while possibly the most difficult to detect, is generally not the easiest or safest method. Many surveillance teams use vans with windows in the side or back that permit observation from the interior of the van. Often the van will have the name of a store or utility company to provide some pretext for its being in the area. The driver may park the van and walk away, leaving the surveillance team inside.

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Some teams use automobiles for stationary surveillance, parking the vehicle far enough from the residence or office to be less noticeable, using other vehicles for cover, facing the vehicle away from the target, and using the rear view mirrors to watch.

Where it is not possible to watch the residence or office unobserved, surveillants must come up with a plausible reason for being in the area. The types of ruses used are limited only by the surveillant's imagination. Some of the more commonly used covers are automotive repairs due to engine trouble or a flat tire, door to door sales, utility repair crews, lovers in a park, walking a dog, construction work, or sitting at a cafe. Women and children are often used to give a greater appearance of innocence.

Some things to check for are parked vehicles with people in them, cars with more mirrors or mirrors that are larger than normal, people seen in the area more frequently than seems normal, people who are dressed inappropriately, and workers who seem to accomplish nothing.

If you become suspicious of a van, note any information printed on the side of the van, including telephone numbers. Check the telephone book to see if such a business exists. Note the license numbers of any suspicious vehicles and provide them to your security office so they can be checked. Make a habit of checking the neighborhood through a window before you go out each day.

Detecting surveillance requires a constant state of alertness and must become an unconscious habit. We do not want to encourage paranoia, but a good sense of what is normal and what is unusual in your surroundings could be more important than any other type of security precaution you take. Above all, do not hesitate to report any unusual events to the police. Many people who have been kidnapped realized afterwards that their suspicions had been well founded. If those suspicions had been reported, their ordeal might have been avoided.

Since surveillance attempts to determine the suitability of a potential target and the most opportune time for an attack, it is crucial to avoid predictability. Although the recommendation to vary routes and times of arrivals and departures has become trite, implementing it in one's daily schedule has proven to be effective in deterring sufficient terrorist planning. Varying times and routes apply to jogging, shopping and all activities where a pattern can develop.

ENDS

Awesome , thanks for sharing that!

On another note:


If and I must state "IF" anyone was going to follow you it would be because you are sitting on information - not because you have spoken about it. (Whatever that "IT" may be)

The best thing to do in any scenario if you happen to know something important is to

*Get rid of the information - give it to everyone you know - put it out on the internet

In other words "Get rid of it"

Sure if you have information you have already put out there into the public domain, they (whoever you interpret "they" to be) might monitor you to see where said information is coming from.

However, paranoia is also something that goes hand in hand with ATS, I have seen it many times, I myself have entered into it at times. Just keep your wits about you, don't try to over analyze anything and if you have info , get it out there .


Better to share it that be caught alone with it right?

Bill Cooper had the right idea, but unfortunately it got him killed.

Follow the OP's ^^^^ (Quoted above) response. It is good advice to heed.

reply to post by Divinorumus


LMAO

Reading this fictional website of imminent idiocracy will cause a person to go crazy. I still just come here to laugh at the numerous crackpot theories presented here.

You can talk, but you can't deliver 100% evidence on any matter. I can see your "evidence" where you piece together a lot of different consequential videos and make them seem like whatever you want. However, the truth stands fit that you have no full evidence to anything you try to spread.

(You meaning every ATS member with at least 1 published theory here.)

We need to stop enabling his paranoia and feeding into it. We cannot assume just because he is saying something some of us want to hear that it is actually happening. Some of the supposed advice being given here may just further fuel his paranoia and lead to dangerous situations.

Originally posted by BlackMumba
Bill Cooper had the right idea, but unfortunately it got him killed.

No, shooting a cop in the face got Bill Cooper killed. May he burn in Hell.

Right now, especially since the OP has gone silent, I think this is another example of an attention seeker playing his little role playing game with earnest, trusting ATSers.

Nonetheless, if the OP is saying the truth and has experienced these momentary lapses -- then I again stress something:

These episodes are symptomatic hallmarks of absense seizures.

Talk to your doc -- see a neurologist. I'm not being funny or condescending, but if these are really happening, rule out medical reasons before you blame shadowy Al Qaeda NWO agents selling DirectTV.

Think back about going to wallgreens and following the dog within your memory do you see yourself doing these things?
Because the laps of time those might no be real memorys. In a "real" memory you don't "see" yourself you look out of your eyes not at yourself.
Someone might be messing with you. Be careful and goodluck.

Originally posted by Rocketgirl

Originally posted by Xcalibur254There are plenty of people on this site that have heard the same theories as you and they're not being followed. So, why would they single you out from the thousands that are on here everyday?

The question is, why wouldn't someone follow him. If someone from outside this site believes for any reason that he knows something that he shouldn't then someone might follow him. Think about it, a lot of people on ATS know things that we shouldn't know. This could happen to any of us.

My advice to the OP is to stay on your guard and avoid anyone who looks weird.

The only people who will be followed and who also belong to ATS community are persons who are important. Persons with a certain position. Persons who matter. Most of the people here, your average readers and posters, are nothing for the government to waste money on following.

Besides, there is so much nonsense posted here that people don't so much "know" stuff they shouldn't, it's that they are surrounded by garbage often. Most can't even filter fact from fiction, and that's because there isn't much proof for facts - only conjecture.

I doubt very much that the gov't would be interested in following persons who hang out on this site. If this site posted a threat, trust me, it would stop existing.

As it is, the government sees is as a site for loons with some true information that's masked by far-fetched imaginative fantasy.

This is my take on it, and yes, I do hang out here

Originally posted by Solo954

Originally posted by Yoda411
Do you feel in any way that what you have read on AboveTopSecret.com could have made you feel in any small way paranoid or delusional?

That's what I'm hoping to hear. It's just that to many things have been happening at once.

I don't believe in coincidence. As I'm trying to reply to your posts my browser is loading a page that says the connection was interrupted. It happen 3 times just these last 5 minutes. Weird. Sort of trying not to let me post.

See, there are generally two types of people. Those who believe coincidences don't happen (everything is pre-arranged), and those who believe that everything is just randomness. Ok, the third type of people can fall in between.

It's a dangerous extreme to be in, where you do not believe in coincidences. It can set you off on a dangerous path in the sense that you can become paranoid and it can eventually inhibit your quality of life.

And perhaps you answered, and maybe not (haven't read the entire thread yet), but what things have been happening all at once? Has there been a more than usual amount of stress in your life? What does your wife think about you, has she been making any comments to you about your behaviour lately?

Originally posted by drsmooth23
I feel like im in the same boat as you. about six months ago someone sent me a highly incriminating text asking me how much 'MJ' do i need? after cursing them out for sending me that msg, I noticed 20 minutes after that my phone had been tapped. since then, EVERYONE who calls me says i sound like im in the bottom of a well, or using two cans with string. its not the phone, ive switched it twice. verizon says they have no idea what im talking about.

A red plumbing van has been parked near my apt for WEEKS. worst part of that is the van parks in three different places, even different houses within view of my apartment.

when im driving all i see are crown vics. My absolute Favorite is to pull into a parking lot, watch them pull up, then I walk to the door of the store, then immediately turn abound and get back in my truck and drive away. 4 out of five times, they get behind me again, albeit they drag their feet pretty well. what are the odds they 'forgot' their wallets too? haha. Just keep being a good person/citizen and eventually they will realize what a complete waste of time they have been pursuing.

Did you ever try to simply walk up to the van and just strike up a conversation? Just play them up. You could say that you thought he has a For Sale sign on the van, is he selling it? If he says no, just say what if you made him an offer? What year is it?

The potential is endless to have a little bit of fun and just try to provoke him as much as you can. There is a greater chance of you learning whether the van is stocked with feds.

I would start writing down the VIN number on the dash, or take a cell phone camera and snap a picture of it. Then go to the ministry of transportation and do a vehicle history/background search - you'll know who it's registered to.

Of course, if some men come out of the van after you snap a picture of the VIN and take your cell phone away, then you know for sure.

Has anyone here given people reason to follow or stalk them? I would not worry or fret if I were you, at least as long as you have been on good behavior... O.o

Originally posted by atzmaz
All in all the lesson to be learned here is to really think: What would anyone have to gain from following me, tapping my phones/internet, listening to my conversations, etc. The fact is that for most of us there is nothing to be gained. So why would any agency waste its time or money on you to watch you go to Taco Bell or buy a pizza. Its not anything against you as I can understand how reading much of what is on ATS could make regular things seem "strange" or "odd," but at some point you really have to be honest with yourself and decide what's the point of being worried all the time?

Real paranoia, like the one suffered by your ex-g/f and her mother, is not a rational thought process. It is rational to the person experiencing it, but it is delusional. It's a trick of the mind, in a way - the mind is misfiring, there is a disorder, a chemical imbalance even.

This is a mild stage of paranoia, and if left untreated, it can progress to paranoid schizophrenia.

With individuals experiencing paranoia, reasoning if almost never enough, it will never fix the problem. Once the brain chemistry is addressed, then such fears tend to disappear.

I have an acquaintance, who is a well educated, brilliant guy. hacked into a gov't computer network, got in trouble for it (while in high school). A bit eccentric, but very smart. Eventually he felt that the gov't is spying on him, watching him, and sending rays through the house to harm his brain. What do you know? He constructed a lead hat. He wore it for years, to the point where it deformed his upper back (due to heavy weight). Eventually ended up in hospital because the heavy lead rubbed his scalp to the point of bleeding. There they saw what is what, and forced him on meds. He doesn't wear his hat anymore, but takes his meds. If he misses, his paranoia is back in full swing, and yet he is a very coherent individual, able to lead an informative, insightful discussion on any subject.

It's a really unfortunate case, but there is no way I or anyone for that matter could successfully reason his paranoia out. He also refused to seek medical help, even thinking that we were out to get him because the gov't bought us.