Indian fighter planes violated Pakistan's air space

Originally posted by detachedindividual
This isn't true.

If they were flying armed with tactical nukes, you can guarantee there would have been international condemnation. It would have cause panic in London, it would have been leaked out if they'd tried to keep it quiet, and it would have been close to declaring war.

Bombers don't just fly about the skies fully armed with Nukes "just in case". There are international laws dictating control of such weapons, they would be held accountable for something so severe by the international community.

I worked for three years at a sensitive site in the UK, and there were instructions for when Russian aircraft were known to be approaching. This included shutting down the entire site and awaiting further instructions/clearance to resume operations. That never happened in the three years I was there. I don't believe that it ever happened after the late 80's, because they were no longer making use of an agreement with Britain which allowed them to pass.

Really So you could tell from those bases if the internal cruise Missiles are Nuclear or not?

I think when you worked there as you state things were very different, and it is like the 80's again , that's what concerns me:

A Russian nuclear stealth bomber was able to fly within 90 seconds of the British coast without being picked up by radar, it was revealed today.

The supersonic ‘Blackjack’ jet flew completely undetected to within just 20 miles from Hull in one of the worst breaches of British security since the end of the Cold War.

Daily Mail

90 seconds that would have given you guys loads of time eh? especially as if you look at the link there was no Fighter planes available to be anywhere near there.

So they can get soo close to the UK coast but you guys would know from "intelligence" what they were carrying... Lol

Propoganda extreme my friend.

And:

"A pair of Tu-95MS planes flew along a large range along the coasts of Alaska and Canada and, returned home via the North Pole. The bombers were refueled in mid air by an Il-78 tanker aircraft. The average flight duration made up some 17 hours. The aircraft flew more than 13,000 kilometers," Drobyshevsky said.

"During refueling, each Tu-95MS took on board 30 tonnes of fuel, a record high amount since the Soviet era," the spokesman said.

Global Research

Well well this worries much more than any thing that has happened in Kashmir recently , besides NATO and America being soo close .

Elf

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Are you a CIA dog now? Are you going to report me to the FBI for my expression? You're just another govt. agent putting those who are displease by putting them in Gitmo and other secret prisons.

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Are you a CIA dog now? Are you going to report me to the FBI for my expression? You're just another govt. agent putting those who are displease by putting them in Gitmo and other secret prisons.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

2 lines.

[edit on 15-12-2008 by Jinni]

Originally posted by t0ken

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
reply to post by t0ken

 

When has a hindu extremist conducted a terrorist attack within Pakistan

They have conducted terrorist attacks in india killing thousands of muslims.So Pakistan should be allowed to chase these hindu extremists and bomb the crap outa hindu temples so that muslims can rebuild their mosques on top of them.

First let me say, you muslims cant do it even if you tried. Thats why you resort to terrorism. Pakistan has tried over and over again to "fight" for muslims in India, only to have its behind handed to it over and over again. The Arabs have tried over and over again in Israel only to meet the same result!
Your wet dreams of killing infidels and your perverse philosophy of "A Muslim issue is an issue for every Muslim regardless of who they are and where they are from." is the most flamboyant display of naked cowardice since the dawn of humanity and the root cause for Islamists blowing up themselves in a cafe from Jerusalem to Mumbai.

By that "token", the USA, UK, Israel, India, Russia and the rest of the free world should nuke, Mecca, Medina, Iraq, Pakistan, Palestine, etc and kill every single muslim man woman and child in the free world and wipe the Mohamaden scurge off the face off the planet for all the Muslim attacks against free and democratic countries all over the world?
I would like to see how the muslims find that ?

Isnt an attack on democratic people anywhere an attack on democratic "infidel" countries everywhere ? Or do you think only you Muslims are smart enough to think like that ? If you Islamists want to wage that kind of war, it would save humanity a LOT of bother and would end much quicker with your deaths. You cant possibly believe that in such a scenario a few nukes by Pakistan would guarantee your continued existence do you ?

Such pathetic philosophy and justification can only be brought out by the fundamentalist craven islamist who knows he doesnt stand a chance in hell in an open fight. This kind of philosophy only reaffirms his impotence by engaging in acts of wanton cowardice with flimsy justifications.

Originally posted by t0ken

Well i wonder what is happening around the world now,thousands of US soldiers dead and the zionists still haven't accomplish their goals of extensions answers all your questions.Muslims have fought and keep fighting, Pakistan has played one of the most active role in fighting these wars from Afghnistan to chechnya,from kashmir to bosnia.

Lets see the "Islamist" victories of the last century.

Iraq - American forces defeated all attempts by insurgents to wreck havok there.

Afghanistan- America and NATO still there and Taliban still isnt!

Kashmir - Still with India.

Israel - Still with the Jews

Chechnya - Still with Russia.

Bosnia- Saved by the West before they were exterminated.

Afghanistan - Won ONLY because of US help. Otherwise, your hero Bin Laden would have died digging roads in Siberia.

Pakistan- Still financially and militarily supported by the US. Morally and financially bankrupt today!

Saudi Arabia (Home of Mohammed) - Saved by AMERICANS from Saddam in the 90s. Supported militarily by the US again.

Same goes for Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Oman, etc.

Where exactly have you Islamists won ? Expect maybe to show the world how pathetic your philosophy is ?

Nearly 3000 US soldiers killed and more than a few "Million" Arabs killed ? Who's winning the numbers game again ??

The pathetic muslims have fought and lost- over and over and over again. Hell I suspect even you are in a Western country acting brave over the internet, spewing some perverse philosophy with a false sense of accomplishment and pride.

It doesnt matter if its Kashmir, Palestine, Chechnya or Antartica. In the end, muslims always loose when fighting against the free and civilized people of this world because of their perverted ideologies.

[edit on 15-12-2008 by IAF101]

Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by t0ken

Well i wonder what is happening around the world now,thousands of US soldiers dead and the zionists still haven't accomplish their goals of extensions answers all your questions.Muslims have fought and keep fighting, Pakistan has played one of the most active role in fighting these wars from Afghnistan to chechnya,from kashmir to bosnia.

Lets see the "Islamist" victories of the last century.

Kashmir - Still with India.

Israel - Still with the Jews

Chechnya - Still with Russia.

Bosnia- Saved by the West before they were exterminated.

Where exactly have you Islamists won ? Expect maybe to show the world how pathetic your philosophy is ?

Nearly 3000 US soldiers killed and more than a few "Million" Arabs killed ? Who's winning the numbers game again ??

The pathetic muslims have fought and lost- over and over and over again.

It doesnt matter if its Kashmir, Palestine, Chechnya or Antartica. In the end, muslims always loose.

OK, let's put it into perspective:

WHOLE of INDIA vs. Kashmiri people - Hmmm.
ISRAEL+US vs. defensless Palestinians - Hmmm.
WHOLE of RUSSIA vs. Chechnya - Hmmm.
BOSNIA - Towards the end Muslims were on on a winning spree which is why west wanted to end it all.

Given the proportion of forces I think they have done an incomparable job.

In the end Muslims protected Jews for centuries. What you see going on in your life time is not representative of what has happened in the past. Muslims had their time too. 500 years in Spain - US only 50 odd and the ship is already sinking...

Given you are an Israelio it's not surprising to see you have twisted, brainwashed and ignorant views too. Oh, that's why you get along with Indians so much!

If you read the posts made by token and jinni you can probably see why restraint is such a diffcult thing when trying to negotiate/ debate with muslims.

Its almost like coming up against a brick wall. Its so tempting to just say "Lets wipe out people like that from the face of the earth"... but that would be sinking to their level.

Restraint is difficult; but I will keep exercising it as long as I can. There is a limit however... soon nobody will be able to hold back the SS within India, Shas within Israel etc.

Token can I just ask you one thing, and I would appreciate it if you answer truthfully.

You clearly hate the West. Why do you live in the UK? How can you bear to live a land filled by us "Infidels"? If you believe half the stuff you spout off on here, shouldn't you really be in Pakistan?

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
If you read the posts made by token and jinni you can probably see why restraint is such a diffcult thing when trying to negotiate/ debate with muslims.

Its almost like coming up against a brick wall. Its so tempting to just say "Lets wipe out people like that from the face of the earth"... but that would be sinking to their level.

Restraint is difficult; but I will keep exercising it as long as I can. There is a limit however... soon nobody will be able to hold back the SS within India, Shas within Israel etc.

Token can I just ask you one thing, and I would appreciate it if you answer truthfully.

You clearly hate the West. Why do you live in the UK? How can you bear to live a land filled by us "Infidels"? If you believe half the stuff you spout off on here, shouldn't you really be in Pakistan?

I have NOT said what you are accusing me of!!

Instead many Indians and Israelis are posting stuff along the lines of what you are saying.

You post is both a pathetic attempt to discredit me and ridiculous.

I don't care what you say about t0ken. If you wern't so idiotic you would see my respones to his nonsense. I must say the your nonsense is on a level comparable to t0ken so don't try to take any moral high ground.

P.S. This is your second post that you have written is such a fashion. I can list a names of people post Indian\Israeli\anti-muslim sentiments on this forum too but I don't want be like you.

[edit on 16-12-2008 by Jinni]

There will be no war.. there will dismantling of the elitist power corridors in Pakistan that have been monopolized for too long by the Pak Army and Secret Services. The power of choice and action will be given to the true elected govt of Pakistan and not to some idiots with deep rooted religious and militaristic revenge oriented biases.

Pakistan has been hijacked by these idiots for too long. Time to give the power back to the people. Time to bring back Pakistan from the brink. No war. No terrorism, no occupation, no atrocities on ANY side of ANY border.
Time to change. there is hope..
Here's to hope and a better future

Originally posted by Daedalus3
There will be no war.. there will dismantling of the elitist power corridors in Pakistan that have been monopolized for too long by the Pak Army and Secret Services. The power of choice and action will be given to the true elected govt of Pakistan and not to some idiots with deep rooted religious and militaristic revenge oriented biases.

Pakistan has been hijacked by these idiots for too long. Time to give the power back to the people. Time to bring back Pakistan from the brink. No war. No terrorism, no occupation, no atrocities on ANY side of ANY border.
Time to change. there is hope..
Here's to hope and a better future

That is based on the assumption that the elected government is actually working for the people's interest.

Here's a wiki on the new president Zadari:

en.wikipedia.org...

He is a corrupted crook that is nothing more than a wicked, tyrannical US puppet and will deconstruct Pak forces to enable invasion by the US and her allies.

The powers that be have been hankering to destroy Pakistan and the chances of such an event is becoming even more probable. Once all nuclear weapons have been disabled by the Pak Gov Puppets then invasion will begin.

I share your hope expressed in your post Daedalus3 , unfortunately the deviant forces at play (on BOTH sides) will endeavour to destroy it.

[edit on 16-12-2008 by Jinni]

Ungh... Pakistan and India have been at each others throats for a very long time, a violation of airspace is hardly anything new.

The locals are panicked because the locals have been exposed to these border skirmishes many times and know the toll it takes, usually the locals are re-located and tend to return to their bombed out homes later on... it's being in those homes when they get bombed out that they're nervous about, and rightly so.

The fact that these aircraft had "warheads" simply means they had missiles and or bombs on their hard-points, meaning, they were armed. It means nothing more than that. Just armed.

Armed with what, well we have no information on that, so making assumptions just makes people sound like idiots.

Unfortunately there's been allot of assuming in this century...

... still looking for those WMD's eh yanks? lol. Well that's what you get for acting on assumptions, you become the comedy routine of the world, and it's target practice.

... Iran still assumes the world can cope with nuclear power plants... assuming the world isn't full of paranoid fools... paranoid fools who want to see them nuked for simply wanting an operating power plant like we have.

... Russia assumed they could electronically harass Estonia out of the EU and into the Russian Federation. Russia assumed nobody would do anything about it... Luckily for Estonia, they have allies who produced equipment for them to prevent these electronic assaults on their economic infrastructure.

... assuming things buys you nothing.


And assuming this means some form of all out war between Pakistan and India is no better than the rest of the assumptions I've heard this century.

Historically, the trend is pretty repetitive. They skirmish for a bit, they stop, they skirmish, they stop... it's a vicious and endless cycle.

They're smart enough to realize an all out war between their two countries would end in disaster for both of them. But it's not their politicians you have to worry about, it's the upstart militant groups who would actually like to see an all out war for some sick reason or another.

Not every country starts a war on a rumor... yes, USA, I'm looking at you.

reply to post by Daedalus3

right? And so that makes Pakistan a better country to absorb and govern Kashmir?

I've never said that but you did

If you are asking me than I will surely let the Kashmiri people decide their own destiny like the case of Azad Kashmir.

Who's rules? Then why didn't the majority of muslims migrate to Pakistan during Partition?

They initially tried that but it ended up with the bloodbath on trains.

In fact religious statehood is on its way out. Can't see em' sticking around for more than 50 years from now.

Love to hear that. That means Pakistanis don't have to worry about the 'AkhanD Bharat' anymore (which is still been celebrated in India by the way)

The best part is; you and your likes; know this.. that the law is taking its course in this very case; and does that vex you? I'm just curious..

And the worst part is that Hemant Karkare the one who was investigating the Samjhauta Express case (which was previously blamed on Pakistan as usual) had been killed during the Mumbai attacks and people like you still don't see a conspiracy.

Right. Cross border terrorism, attacking mass civilian targets, engaging in nuclear proliferation, stunting the democratic process within its own country, repeatedly!.. sure, the RAW does all that..

Here I would just like to quote Mirza Ghalib that:

Humko Maloom hai Jannat ki Haqeeqat lekin.......Dil ke khush rakhne ko Ghalib ye khayal acha hai

Originally posted by Unlettered

I've never said that but you did

That was a question (to you might I add) and not a declarative sentence. The answer is your perrogative to give; not a witty retort that skirts the question.

If you are asking me than I will surely let the Kashmiri people decide their own destiny like the case of Azad Kashmir.

'Azad' Kashmir.. hehe.. Azad indeed.. The Kashimiris in ..ahem.. 'Azad' (pardon my pauses but I do find tat word quite ironic) Kashmir did not decide their allegiance; they were on the wrong side of some line circa 1947/48 when the hostilities broke out. This nomenclature has existed since then. Its is quite comical that an entire state (and some people here) continue to use that delusional misnomer.
Truely Azad(Free) they are today; still reeling under an Earthquake in 06 for which most of the intl Aid given has been consumed for other strategic objectives. Unable to prevent their sons from being drawn into one-way-ticket jehadi camps scattered across this land.

They initially tried that but it ended up with the bloodbath on trains.

Right.. they did.. and so did scores of non-Muslims who were on the Pakistani side. The killings were horrendous on both sides and it was truly a dark day for the subcontinent.
But is that why TODAY India has almost TWICE the number of Muslims that Pakistan does? I mean.. why didn't these people move over after partition? Nobody held them back. I'll tell you why.
Because the concept of Pakistan as 'Muslim State for the Muslims of the subcontinent' is a failed non starter.
Because it has not been able to provide the economic prosperity and democratic power that has flourished across the border.
And then there is also this interesting term called 'Mohajir'. Shamefull actually; a slap in teh face of the 'Idea of Pakistan' itself.

Love to hear that. That means Pakistanis don't have to worry about the 'AkhanD Bharat' anymore (which is still been celebrated in India by the way)

Really? news to me.. seems most Indians don't know about what they celebrate. Or maybe they do.. You Indian?
Do not judge a populace by what you read in propagandist MSM.

And the worst part is that Hemant Karkare the one who was investigating the Samjhauta Express case (which was previously blamed on Pakistan as usual) had been killed during the Mumbai attacks and people like you still don't see a conspiracy.

Its quite funny; the way Karkare's death has been twisted by vested interests here to point to a Indian Govt Conspiracy against its country.
So you do agree that Hemant Karkare was a good man?

Anyways that is besides the point; Here's a conspiracy for you;

The Pak Army and ISI fund, train and execute 26/11 so that India gets pulled into a war with Pakistan; and the poor puppet Zardari Government has to turn to only one body (Pak Army and ISI) that can 'rescue' the Govt and the country from the invaders.
Also this puts the Pak Army + ISI back in the driving seat; the core islamist fanatic Pak Army + ISI that has been deprived of the reigns of power from the times of the post 9/11 US-puppeteered/gagged Musharraf (who himself was a non-fanatic and ironically a Mohajir) to the times of this democratic Government.
Force the country into a state of war after only one true body can assume ordered control to save the 'sovereignty'(a term lost to the common man since the Simla Accord of 72; rise of the Army draconian policies) of Pakistan; the military.

Humko Maloom hai Jannat ki Haqeeqat lekin.......Dil ke khush rakhne ko Ghalib ye khayal acha hai

Ghalib's a good choice. I think I can use the same verse back at you though.
We are all masters of our delusional fantasies of right and wrong.


[edit on 16-12-2008 by Daedalus3]

reply to post by Daedalus3

But is that why TODAY India has almost TWICE the number of Muslims that Pakistan does?

India got much bigger geographical capacity and population rate than Pakistan.

I mean.. why didn't these people move over after partition? Nobody held them back.

Ask them.

And then there is also this interesting term called 'Mohajir'. Shamefull actually; a slap in teh face of the 'Idea of Pakistan' itself.

It will surely be a slap on your own face coz you really don't seem to know much about the Islamic history. The term Mohajir may sound an insult to you but it's an honour for others.

So you do agree that Hemant Karkare was a good man?

I'm no god.

The Pak Army and ISI fund, train and execute 26/11 so that India gets pulled into a war with Pakistan; and the poor puppet Zardari Government has to turn to only one body (Pak Army and ISI) that can 'rescue' the Govt and the country from the invaders.
Also this puts the Pak Army + ISI back in the driving seat; the core islamist fanatic Pak Army + ISI that has been deprived of the reigns of power from the times of the post 9/11 US-puppeteered/gagged Musharraf (who himself was a non-fanatic and ironically a Mohajir) to the times of this democratic Government.
Force the country into a state of war after only one true body can assume ordered control to save the 'sovereignty'(a term lost to the common man since the Simla Accord of 72; rise of the Army draconian policies) of Pakistan; the military.

I'm sorry but I have to wake you up from your nightmare this time. The Pakistan army is in no position to take over because neither the People nor Uncle Sam are ready to accept them at this point of time. That is why there are always gaps between each coup.

Really? news to me.. seems most Indians don't know about what they celebrate. Or maybe they do.. You Indian?
Do not judge a populace by what you read in propagandist MSM.

Get out from delusional fantasy then:

www.youtube.com...

Told you guys nothing would come of this and every day it just slips further and further into the news abyss. India wont attack and all of this will blow over. No need for anyone to panic. Already yesterdays news.

Originally posted by Unlettered
reply to post by Daedalus3
India got much bigger geographical capacity and population rate than Pakistan.

Yea sure.. Listen to your self. The only reason the rest of the subcontinental Muslims did not go to Pakistan is because the 'space' ran outin Pakistan!!

Priceless..

Ask them.

Yea.. well maybe I do.. Maybe every single freaking day ; cause we live together, eat together, study together, work together; or well maybe I should ask myself.. Don't claim to know the psyche of a muslim in India;

Oh you people.. so misguided.. You don't understand the concept of India; You just scavenge for tidbits of discord on the outside to try and 'show' the world that this 'Secular India' does not work. Maybe its jealousy? You tellme .What drives you guys?

It will surely be a slap on your own face coz you really don't seem to know much about the Islamic history. The term Mohajir may sound an insult to you but it's an honour for others.

Oh really? getting a little angry are we? An honor indeed. That's why Pakistan saw such discord in the late 80s and early 90s; especially in Karachi.
The problem with Pakistan is the Pak Punjabi power bureau who sits in the ALL power corridors of Pakistan; may it be political; military or economic.
The concept of 'Pakistan is Punjab' and 'Punjab is Pakistan' has plagued equality amongst masses in Pakistan for decades where sindhis, baluchis, kashmiris (YES kashmiris) have been kept out of decision making bodies everywhere.
Honor my ***.

I'm no god.

No you are most definitely not. Because even if you were slightly well read, you would know the Karkare spent most of his career in an agency you accuse of carrying out terror strikes in Baluchistan etc. Again, outsiders trying to preach on topics that they barely even have the slightest clue about.

I'm sorry but I have to wake you up from your nightmare this time. The Pakistan army is in no position to take over because neither the People nor Uncle Sam are ready to accept them at this point of time. That is why there are always gaps between each coup.

Oh that's really assuring to me. The people of Pakistan and Uncle Sam are not willing to 'accept' them? So you have a pulse on the will of Uncle Sam? Sure maybe Uncle Sam has some issues; but can Uncle Sam prevent a military coup in Pakistan? Can the people do that? Can the current government even take a freaking piss w/o the army's permission?
Case in point: Zardari has a refreshing idea that maybe Pakistan should align itself with a no-first-use policy vis-a-vis nuclear weapons. As soon as he makes that statement is it SHOT DOWN by military spokespersons.


And this is what takes the cake:
Have the people of Pakistan been so traumatized and regularized with the concept of military coups that they (and I assume you speak their mind) are now OK with the fact that there are always gaps between each coup ??
Its a military coup dammit!! Failure of democracy! suppression of the will of the people and all that jazz!! Its doesn't matter if it comes every 2 months or every decade. Its JUST AS BAD.
Gawd!! Talk about a messed up psyche!

Get out from delusional fantasy then:

No, you get out of yours.. Because if Indians themselves fail to recognize YOUR definition of Akhand Bharat then it completely refutes your claim that this is concept has a big fan following in India. Because if it did, you would see constitutional changes in India that would reflect this supposed 'majority mindset'. And that is the whole point. It is NOT a majority mindset; not by a long shot.
Do you even know what you linked here? Did you even bother to see what the programme was about? Did even bother to see what context the term Akhand Bharat was being used in here? Did you bother to understand why such events are even organized?
It is to promote subcontinental unity. It is to try and work towards a better future, where borders drawn on religious bases are removed. Where religion does not rule the subcontinent; but secularism, tolerance and scientific/cultural prowess does.

But fanatically brainwashed candidates like yourself prevent the saner and more progressed majority of both countries from working towards that unified subcontinental goal; again much to the delight of some vested external interests.
No matter; its just a matter of time before evolution takes its path; religious statehood has been selected for extinction and it is on its way out.

You come here and try to squeeze in a anonymous PoV that India started all the wars in order to sway the uninformed. Won't let happen I will. Not on ATS. Been here too long and seen too many of your likes;
Deny Ignorance..




[edit on 18-12-2008 by Daedalus3]

Originally posted by Daedalus3

Originally posted by Unlettered
reply to post by Daedalus3
India got much bigger geographical capacity and population rate than Pakistan.

You come here and try to squeeze in a anonymous PoV that India started all the wars in order to sway the uninformed. Won't let happen I will. Not on ATS. Been here too long and seen too many of your likes;
Deny Ignorance..

[edit on 18-12-2008 by Daedalus3]

Daedalus3 - you like to flame post BUT I'm yet to see any evidence for what you are saying. Your view is also an anonymous PoV that India DIDN'T start all previous wars.

What you are banging on about is no different than 'Unlettered'. It's clear that you are without a doubt also a blind 'Nationalist' and that is a major stopping factor when trying to "Deny Ignorance".

It just results in "whatever my country does is never wrong and I will blindly give it all the support I can ever give!". Don't worry you are not the only one. It's part of a phenomena called the "sheeple" syndrome.

P.S. I'm really fed up with nationalistic views on BOTH sides of the fence in this thread. What a mess!

[edit on 18-12-2008 by Jinni]

all is what they are lieying the pakistan..news they send terrorist to jammu and kashmir and say they are freedom fighter kill ing their own muslim people and saying that its a freedom fight lol
and even in bombay they have killed several people and the pakistani government did not accept his own national www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Jinni


thanks for the bump anon ATS.. had forgotten about this one..

So Jinni.. you are looking for evidence on who started the wars?
I am not going to apologize for sounding nationalistic.. I'm sick of these hindu zionist conspiracy theories as well..

I'm not saying that India has never wronged a soul before.. Everyone's hands are dirty.. thats the unfortunate truth of human nature..
But what I was telling unlettered was that India did not start any one of the wars it has waged with Pakistan.

Let me know what kind of evidence you are looking for and if its not a part of the dialogue I had with unlettered then I would be happy to look for it.

DD3

EDIT: And if you'd bother to read the last bits of my post, then you would understand that the sentiments are not nationalistic, rather peaceful and forward looking.
Let me quote myself from my supposedly nationalistic post above (never done this on ATS before but there's always a first) so that you don't miss the jist of what I was trying to convey:

It is to promote subcontinental unity. It is to try and work towards a better future, where borders drawn on religious bases are removed. Where religion does not rule the subcontinent; but secularism, tolerance and scientific/cultural prowess does.

But fanatically brainwashed candidates like yourself prevent the saner and more progressed majority of both countries from working towards that unified subcontinental goal; again much to the delight of some vested external interests.
No matter; its just a matter of time before evolution takes its path; religious statehood has been selected for extinction and it is on its way out.

Its easy to be self righteous when one is so blinded that all they can do is read between the lines, and not read the bl00ming lines themselves



[edit on 13-1-2009 by Daedalus3]

Originally posted by Daedalus3
reply to post by Jinni

 

...I'm sick of these hindu zionist conspiracy theories as well..

[edit on 13-1-2009 by Daedalus3]

Pakistan F-16 Shot down Indian UAV(Israeli Searcher-II)

F-16 shot down an Indian Searcher-II UAV with AIM-9L at an altitude of 13000 ft on the night of june 07 2002 in punjab provice of pakistan
This was also confirmed by Indian Defence Ministry.

vayu-sena-aux.tripod.com...



The collaboration between India and Zionist Israel on all fronts is phenomenal - I've seen Indian army training in Israel and vice versa.

That itself says a lot!

Don't make me laugh by branding hindu-zionist relations a conspiracy theory!! Talk about disinfo...