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Indian fighter planes violated Pakistan's air space

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posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo

They were armed with ``warheads``... nuclear warheads? Because otherwise you don't say that kind of thing...


Yes they do. LOL

News does this so they can get this reaction V


Originally posted by Vitchilo
Holy shiat that is NOT GOOD.




posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 05:14 PM
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Could it also be that you are generally mis-informed and generally biased ??


Just look up the many cases of Pakistani air space violations. Usually, they end in tragedy for them.


May be but it will surely be helpful if you could be kind enough to give me a few references of Pakistan air force violating the Indian territory?



And dont forget, Pakistan IS the bad-guy or at the very least have bad-guys as family with them.


Or may be its like yesterday's heroes are today's bad-guys.



"These men are the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers." These were the Afghan Mujahideen. They were at the time, guns in hand, battling the Evil Empire.... Terrorists change. The terrorist of yesterday is the hero of today, and the hero of yesterday becomes the terrorist of today. This is a serious matter in the constantly changing world of images in which we have to keep our heads straight to know what is terrorism and what is not. " ~ Ronald Reagan



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 05:29 PM
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The Indians had nukes in the 70's ! They first tested a nuke in the mid 70's back when Pakistan was "pro-America". (That's if they were ever Pro-America, considering that it is an Islamic state where most of the people want to carve infidels and Jews up).

I know. I was talking about Pakistan. Pakistan is very dangerous. I was talking about their leadership... Musharraf was a US puppet... I mean when he comes to the Daily Show...



Also India has a no first use nuke policy and unlike Pakistan, the Indian military is firmly under the control of the Indian government. People should be more worried about the Pakistani military going AWOL under all this international pressure.

Yeah I know.. That's why I'm just wondering if this policy of no first nuclear strike by India would stand if they see Pakistan being run by terrorists and preparing to go AWOL... like transferring 100.000 troops on the India-Pakistan border like they said they would...



As for Obama, he is the only smart man to have come to the White House in the last 10 years who can see the Pakistani's playing America for a fool to milk US taxpayers for money to buy bombs, planes and jets to fight against India instead of terrorists.

You think Bush didn't see that? It was his intention. Give everything to Pakistan so they can stay under US umbrella, don't go to China and counter India. Bush don't care about democracy, he only cares about chaos. Now the US puppet is no longer there, Obama will go and put one right back in.


Are you worried that the US gave nearly $5 billion + military "aid" of to Pakistan military all the while they were harbouring Taliban and co and not allowing NATO troops into their "zoo" to clean up their mess !

Yes. But it was their intention to do exactly that. It's not a mistake.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
As was posted on here not long ago, currently Russian Bombers are invading UK and European, and US airspace nearly daily, fully loaded with Nukes, the first time since the Cold war ended.


This isn't true.

Yes, they have flown into our airspace a couple of times recently, which was out of the ordinary because it hadn't happened for some time. They were flexing their muscles and reminding us that they are there.

That is why it made European headlines.

If they were flying armed with tactical nukes, you can guarantee there would have been international condemnation. It would have cause panic in London, it would have been leaked out if they'd tried to keep it quiet, and it would have been close to declaring war.

Bombers don't just fly about the skies fully armed with Nukes "just in case". There are international laws dictating control of such weapons, they would be held accountable for something so severe by the international community.

I worked for three years at a sensitive site in the UK, and there were instructions for when Russian aircraft were known to be approaching. This included shutting down the entire site and awaiting further instructions/clearance to resume operations. That never happened in the three years I was there. I don't believe that it ever happened after the late 80's, because they were no longer making use of an agreement with Britain which allowed them to pass.

Yes they have entered our skies as a warning, trying to scare people into backing down, as usual. But they didn't do this with planes loaded with any nukes.
If they had, the UK and most of Europe would have already declared a state of readiness and halted any relations with Russia immediately.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:39 PM
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Okay, finally saw it on foxnews.com website but its pretty much the standard article thats being posted everywhere else. Nothing major here unless we this happen again.....



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Yeah.. the Tupolev 160 Blackjack carries it's nuclear weapons internally, but can carry more externally. So if they only loaded nuclear weapons internally, how would you know it? You couldn't. So please.

[edit on 13-12-2008 by Vitchilo]



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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hehe

Where is the proof?

Pakis ask for proof every time. Why don't they provide the proof for once?

Even if its true, whats the big deal?
They send terrorists inside India to kill innocent civilians.
And they are complaining?
You got to be kidding me.



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 09:00 PM
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Why is everyone on here talking about what weapons these two countries have instead of the topic for which this thread was started? Any info on the airspace violation?

If you wanna debate Indian/Pakistani weapons do it on another thread.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 01:13 AM
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Here, Here...




posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 06:03 AM
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Discussing what weapons they would have been carrying is a relevant and natural progression of the discussion, why start another thread to discuss something very much related to this conversation? Makes no sense.

As for what Russian planes were carrying while in British air space, stating that we wouldn't know if they had these weapons internally also does nothing to support the poster suggesting that they were carrying nukes.

I firmly believe that the UK defence system would have known, intelligence would have been leaked, it's never as simple as people assume.

I am sure that Russia wouldn't risk flying nukes over Europe unless it intended to release this information to further scare the population. These weapons are very expensive, are difficult to maintain and secure, and wouldn't be used as toys, unless a very clear political message was being sent.

In which case, we would have definitely, and publicly, been made aware of the threat.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 06:29 AM
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My take is that this IS a serious incident.

India and Pakistan may exchange ground fire at the border on a sporadic yet regular basis, but air incursions are NOT normal.

The last excursion of airspace in peacetime was the Atlantique incident, where a Pakistani air force plane carrying 14 ISI agents was shot down in the Persian Gulf by the Indian air force.

I'm following most major news sources trying to find out what flight path this plane was on...

If they were Sukhois, they were probably going in for a targeted strike of some terrorist camp. There is no way that India would trot out nukes at this stage... furthermore it is impossible that they were nukes since India doesn't have air platform nukes, nor does it have strategic bombers.

This is an escalation; and most likely an attempt to establish a right of hot pursuit. If India had managed to slip two planes past the Pak air defences, bomb the crap out of a terrorist training camp and then return to Indian air space, India would have claimed that they are capable of launching such surgical strikes and that they would do it again in the future.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 06:45 AM
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I really think every one is taking this to far... Just calm down and see what happens..
India is just poking Pakistan to see what reaction they will get, Nothing more ...

Sorry people the world will not be at war tomorrow.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
This is an escalation; and most likely an attempt to establish a right of hot pursuit. If India had managed to slip two planes past the Pak air defences, bomb the crap out of a terrorist training camp and then return to Indian air space, India would have claimed that they are capable of launching such surgical strikes and that they would do it again in the future.


Right of establishing a hot pursuit?


These 2 indian planes might have gone past Pak defences but Pak are the ones that decided to let off the Indians this time, otherwise the only thing that would have been returning to Indian airspace were toasted bodies of the Indian pilots.

If india has the right to hot pursuit extremists in Pak,than Pak also has the right to hot pursuit hindu extremists in india.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 07:28 AM
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IAF101 may hold views I find repulsive, but he/she has just made a vital point in this discussion:

Pakistan did not relinquish their "First Strike" policy - India did. Majority of terrorist operations in Western Europe originate back to lawless areas of Pakistan. Under the dictatorship of Musharraf, the military ignored or refused to recognise the terrorist backed attacks in India by Pakistani intelligence.

What is India meant to do - accommodate Pakistan?

Britain is the only variable preventing intervention into Pakistan - but the patients of the British government is evaporating. To be honest, the Indian fighter planes were probably on reconnaissance - potential targets.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 07:40 AM
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PAKISTAN'S President Asif Ali Zardari has sparked controversy by announcing a "no first strike" nuclear war policy before an audience in New Delhi, reversing his country's historical position on the issue.

As doubts were expressed that the policy articulated by Mr Zardari - to the delight of his Indian audience - had the support of his country's powerful military, which controls its nuclear warheads, some commentators said they believed the President was "not fully informed or completely aware of" Pakistan's policy on the issue.


www.theaustralian.news.com.au...

www.thedailystar.net...

Mind you Pakistan never started any of the wars the two countries have fought so war. Infact Pakistan lose half of its country in the war of 1971.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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According to the BBC, Gordon Brown says that 3/4 of the most serious terrorist plots have Pakistan links: news.bbc.co.uk...

Anyone feel that they're being set up as the bad guys prior to some form of action?

Reminds me of how Iran were painted a few months back.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 07:50 AM
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When has a hindu extremist conducted a terrorist attack within Pakistan?

Even if hindus are killing muslims within India (which itself is debateable), then the issue is of no concern of Pakistan.

Your ridiculous jingoistic attitude continues I see... Pakistan SHOULD have shot down Indian planes if they had crossed into their airspace. Since when does Pakistan show restraint


The fact is that they couldn't do it... because there were no planes. Pakistan's military is simply conducting a campaign of disinfo and diversion from the real issues.

[edit on 14-12-2008 by 44soulslayer]



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 08:08 AM
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Gordon at least is telling the truth at least here in the UK. Terror is carried out here by people connected to Pakistan. There is no set up. Facts are British based terrorism is very connected to Pakistan.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 08:14 AM
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No, I don't doubt one bit that Indian Aircraft invading Pakistani airspace. These aircraft was merely doing recon of sensitive targets. Is there going to be some sort of confrontation? You Bet! Is it going to happen soon? Not likely, first you'll see more efforts by India and international allies to justify means for real military action within the borders of Pakistan. I think its highly likely that most governments will not conduct any campaign that involves a sudden surprise attack against another nation as it has become too vital to get the support from its people and the world for such actions.

Pakistan is the underdog in all this, if any such surprise attack was to come it would be from them. India has all the support it needs to carefully take its time and plan things out.



posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
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When has a hindu extremist conducted a terrorist attack within Pakistan


They have conducted terrorist attacks in india killing thousands of muslims.So Pakistan should be allowed to chase these hindu extremists and bomb the crap outa hindu temples so that muslims can rebuild their mosques on top of them.

A Muslim issue is an issue for every Muslim regardless of who they are and where they are from.



Your ridiculous jingoistic attitude continues I see... Pakistan SHOULD have shot down Indian planes if they had crossed into their airspace. Since when does Pakistan show restraint?


Because Pak doesn’t want things to heat up more between Pak and india.I dare india to pull something off like this again and bomb out so called extremist camps.



The fact is that they couldn't do it... because there were no planes. Pakistan's military is simply conducting a campaign of disinfo and diversion from the real issues.


Well like I said, if Pakistan’s defences are that crap than india will no doubt return for a ‘hot pursuit’ session.

I am actually looking forward for it to happen.




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