Evolution Officially Debunked!!!

reply to post by Yoda411



Thanks , I'll address one point real quick....and then go back and read your response...thanks!


OT don't know the fellow....I'd say the TITLE may be a bit of MARKETING....you know spark a little interest...seems to have worked, too.


Hey while I'm reading your post, take a look at that Stannard nuclear dudes video and let me know what you think, if you have time...

OT

Originally posted by vasaga
reply to post by Yoda411

 

So you basically agree everyone keeps researching evolution because they have nothing better to go by with.

Actually everyone keeps researching evolution because that's what science does. Science sets out to find the answers with an open mind. Where as Christianity reads an ancient book for their answers and then closes their mind to new opportunities for discovery.

Originally posted by OldThinker
I just joined...what type of data would you like to see? What would be credible in your eyes?

Help OT out....

umm *cough* bearing false witness?

i beleive thats law 9 of the ten commandments, unles you use the catholic/lutherin which makes it 8 and to think i used you as an example of an honest christian in another thread

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Originally posted by vasaga


So you basically agree everyone keeps researching evolution because they have nothing better to go by with.

but all the evdience points toward it, its mechanism have been observed countless time

its not that theres nothing better to go on, anything better would have to explain all the evidence

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Yoda411,


Kent E. Hovind?

Thank you for the links/info...


Sounds like he is in need of some grace...tooo...

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by OldThinker
I just joined...what type of data would you like to see? What would be credible in your eyes?

Help OT out....

umm *cough* bearing false witness?

i beleive thats law 9 of the ten commandments, unles you use the catholic/lutherin which makes it 8

and to think i used you as an example of an honest christian in another thread

[edit on 14/12/08 by noobfun]

TODAY...that is...

The second thing to go is the memory....can't remember the first....


These all runn together....

Originally posted by Yoda411
......Where as Christianity reads an ancient book for their answers and then closes their mind to new opportunities for discovery.

NOW.....?

How many of those Christians have you met?


There's a few of us OPEN....


Remembered that religious word 'REVELATION?' There's some revelling STILL going on....

Originally posted by furiousracer313
Well i though instead of writing an essay for yall i could provide a link that is alot more convenient for yall... so go to part 3 and watch that, and if u like it watch the whole thing.. its not that long. And what he says is backed up by evidence....

I'm not even going to bother reading any more of this thread. Next time you start a thread like this, do us the favour and use the buttons on your keyboard to express what it is you are trying to say. Give us an outline at lease. I'm not going to waste my time watching a 9 part series by Hovind because you can't be bothered to understand and then relay the basic premis to us.

Next, you may want to discover what the theory of evolution actually is before you decide that it is false. Hovind never bothered to go through with this step, hence his complete misunderstanding of the whole topic. If only he would have put the hours he spent making those awesome posters of his into reading a book, he may not be sitting in jail right now feeling like an idiot.

Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by Yoda411
......Where as Christianity reads an ancient book for their answers and then closes their mind to new opportunities for discovery.

NOW.....?

How many of those Christians have you met?


There's a few of us OPEN....


Remembered that religious word 'REVELATION?' There's some revelling STILL going on....

We are all glad that an open minded Christian has joined the topic, I'm sure.

Dr. Kent Hovid is the guy who the original poster said "Officially Debunked Evolution". With his track record on the line, he's not a very credible individual.

Both evolution and creationism are lacking in evidence. Creationism has none. Evolution has a handful of evidence. This is the reason why Evolution has taken precedence over creationism. The people want proof.

Saying that evolution was debunked however is simply a false statement, much less debunked by Dr. Kent Hovid.

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The verdict still out on this whole thing….dialog/chat rooms/debates are a great thing….for TRUTH SEEKERS….


Here’s a few articles, if you interested? Main Link below…

Sea Turtles
Jun 7, 2007

Why Does God’s Creation Include Death & Suffering?
Jan 31, 2008

One visitor’s review of the new Creation Museum
Jun 25, 2007

Was There Really a Noah’s Ark & Flood?
Oct 11, 2007

Doesn’t Carbon-14 Dating Disprove the Bible?
Sep 20, 2007

Chapter 3: Natural Selection vs. Evolution
Mar 8, 2007

What Really Happened to the Dinosaurs?
Oct 25, 2007

Global Warming
Sep 5, 2006

The Placenta
Jan 1, 2007

Does the big bang fit with the Bible?
Jan 1, 2007

Depicting the Ark—A Sign of the Times?
Mar 1, 2007

Antibiotic Resistance of Bacteria: An Example of Evolution in Action?
Jul 10, 2007

Chapter 10: The Origin of Humans
May 2, 2007

Two Fighting Dinosaurs?
May 2, 2006

The Origin of Oil
Dec 27, 2006

The Fallacies of Radioactive Dating of Rocks
Sep 5, 2006

Chapter 4: Unlocking the Geologic Record
Mar 14, 2007

A tale of two museums
Sep 10, 2007

The Amazing Human Hair
Jul 4, 2007

Responding to protestors’ propaganda
May 30, 2007

Creation Scientists and Teachers Comment
Aug 3, 2007

Bottlenose Dolphin
Aug 20, 2007

God & Natural Law
Aug 28, 2006

Don’t Creationists Deny the Laws of Nature?
Aug 30, 2007

If humans and dinosaurs lived together, why don’t we find human fossils with dinosaur fossils?
May 4, 2006

Creation Road Trip
Jun 15, 2006

Couldn’t God Have Used Evolution?
Aug 22, 2007

Is There Really a God?
Aug 9, 2007

The Star of Bethlehem
Nov 7, 2006

Chapter 1: What Is Science?
Feb 22, 2007


www.answersingenesis.org...#/v/popular

These fine skeptics will tell you....OT doesn't buy ANYTHING hook line and sinker...

But I've lived LONG enough to CHANGE my mind a few dozen times...

These articles/my research have given me some Balance I HOPE!!!

Thanks for asking good querstions!

reply to post by OldThinker


I will never argue that modern science has many limits, including those of carbon dating bones and fossils.

I will however argue that the supposed mid-stage evolutionary bones are quite impressive.

Originally posted by OldThinker

www.answersingenesis.org...#/v/popular

NEVER post that link again OT as evidence for anything other then how some christians are so dishonest they will happily lie and admit to it becasue its for jesus

The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

iof it doesnt fit the bible we will ignore or lie about it

No apparent, perceived, or claimed interpretation of evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.

if it doesnt fit the bible it didnt happen or we will lie and misrepresent it to fit our beliefs

www.answersingenesis.org...

why do you think anyone who posts thier 'evidence' gets laughed a ripped apart and told to go find a real source

its like quoting bin laden as an honest and accurate representation of america and its people


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The thing that gets me CURIOUS is the whole Complexity and the Occams Razor argument/linkage

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Knew that one would wake you up...

That was the Caffeine curveball

"Don't throw the baby out..."

= = = = = = =

Here’s a little different take…6 vid’s for ya… www.closertotruth.com...

Arguing God from Natural Theology? (Stannard) 2nd Take
Arguing God from Natural Theology? (Stannard) 1st Take
Did God Create Evil? (Boyd)
How Could God Know the Future? (Stannard)
Has God Settled the Future? (Boyd)
What is Eternity? (Stannard)

Noob, u watching any American football today?

OT


edit: hit the GOD tab....


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Found this work on complexity...heavy math for sure...

Excerpts below...link at bottom from

"1.10 Complexity of the Physical World
Now let's turn to the physical universe! Does it have finite or infinite complexity?
The conventional view on this held by high-energy physicists is that there is a TOE, a theory of everything, a finite set of laws of nature that we may someday know, which has only finite complexity.

So that part is optimistic!

But unfortunately in quantum mechanics there's randomness, God plays dice, and to know the results of all God's coin tosses, infinitely many coin tosses, necessitates a theory of infinite complexity, which simply records the result of each toss!

So the conventional view currently held by physicists is that because of randomness in quantum mechanics the world has infinite complexity.

Could the conventional view be wrong? Might it nevertheless be the case that the universe only has finite complexity? Some extremely interesting thoughts on this can be found in


Wolfram, A New Kind of Science, 2002.
According to Wolfram, there is no real randomness. There is only pseudo-randomness, like the randomness produced by random-number generators, which are actually deterministic sequences of numbers governed by mathematical laws, since computers use algorithms to generate pseudo-random numbers, they don't use quantum mechanics!

According to Wolfram, our universe is actually a deterministic universe that's governed by deterministic physical laws!

So the physical universe, the world, has finite complexity. According to Wolfram, everything happens for a reason, just as Leibniz thought!

These two supremely intelligent men are rationalists. They want to understand everything! They don't believe in ultimate mysteries! They don't think anything is incomprehensible! They believe in the power of the human mind to comprehend everything!

On the other hand, we have seen that because it has infinite complexity, the universe of mathematical ideas CANNOT be comprehended in its entirety. "


Link... www.cs.auckland.ac.nz...
Dr. Gregory J Chaitlin, from the IBM Reserach Ctr in NY, USA

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Yoda411, That last post was the DEEP one, here's OT's SIMPLE one...

I was conversing with an engineer a few thread back...the guy makes stuff....he engineers things...


And I said to him...pls excuse the sarcasm and think through my main point....this us my biggest struggle in ignoring a deity...

= = = = = =

Back at "the University" where you got an 'engineering' degree? You guys ever make anything?

How bout a lawn-mover or something?

OT's got a new LawnBoy...got a grass catcher, power wheels and a Briggs and Stranton hummer of an engine!

Occams Razor asks, how'd that there Lawnboy come into existence? Good question 'OR' Well given enough time.........and chance.......and some more time........and chance......those wheels could wind up bolted to that little chassis you know.......and then after awhile that fuel injection system.....could find its way next to the handle bars.....and the that fancy grass catcher could just plop on the back end....AND WALLA!

You got your self a bad ass Lawnboy....oh yeah the gas....just oozed in the little cute tank....crank that baby and you too can cut your lawn...

No....as an engineer....you know you 'engineered it....manufacured it....in simple terms....PUT THE FREAKIN' THING TOGETHER!!!

Oh how more complex (and Valuable) you are my friend that my bad ass lawnboy!!!

Complexity doesn't just happen...someONE had to ENGINEER IT, right?

OT

reply to post by OldThinker


Complexity happens in nature all of the time. By your argument it is very hard to believe a creature was smart enough to build the complexity of modern nature down to the molecular level.

Complexity happens by nature all of the time. Reproduction was supposedly a sin that Adam and Eve broke, a non-creation of God. Yet, everyday somebody is creating complexity through sexual reproduction (which is most definitely an act of nature).

Originally posted by nj2day

Originally posted by furiousracer313
i support the most selling, most accurate book ever, The Holy Bible...

Popular doesn't make it correct...

lets take the #2 bestseller of all time: the Little Red Book (Quotations from Chairman Mao)...

But can you find such a beautiful wife reading Mao?

reply to post by Yoda411



Good point about the reproduction thing....


Still troubled that Time and Chance can do all this...

Don't want to get off topic but here's one that helps me...

Romans 1:20 (New International Version)
20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.


What OT SEE's astonishes me...!!!

I think you are geting a little confused. At this time of year we celebrate Christmas. April fool's day is 4 months away.