Evolution Officially Debunked!!!

Originally posted by furiousracer313
So why havent we changed? Ill tell u wut the day i see a scientist get an amoeba or wutever single celled or multicelled organism that u say created all of us and have it evolve into a new species ill believe u. until then its not true.

Using the same mentality, I'm sure if you could get God to tell us all that he created us as we are today then we would believe you.

Instead, we were presented with alternative scientific evidence. It is not the first multi-cellular organism - because if it was it would be at least 4 billion years old. Instead, it is many fossils and bone records of multiple species all evolving independently over a long period of time.

You also say you believe in micro-evolution.
What happens if micro-evolution continues over a long period of time?
Would you expect the results to be insignificant?

Originally posted by furiousracer313
Evolution has been officially debunked. Watch this series, and i promise it isnt boring cause the guy make jokes and is a great speaker. Check it out guys, no more evolution unless your ignorant and still believe we came from monkeys...

I watched it, gave it some thought, saw the glaring holes, and realized its crap, as per usual.

The depth of the mans knowledge is underwhelming, to say the least.

Why do humans think they're so special?

The probability that there is other life in this "space" is infinite because the space is infinitely large.

There is infinite numbers of you and I and infinite "Earths," and infinite "English" according to statistics.





Humans are not special, were simply too stupid to realize that reality.




And yeh, the Bible really can't be used as a source of scientific information other than psychology.

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Religion is also humanoid. Religion says,"look at me and all the good I do....surely God will except me for being such a good person". Religious people do what they do to please themselves and win the respect of their humanoid peers, while thinking they earn favor with their God.

Humanoids evolved backwards from their originally created state by rejecting their creator. Fortunately, the humanoids can be reunited with their creator if they want to. Thus the words "seek and you will find" and "knock and it shall be opened" have meaning. There is no other way to escape the fallen humanoid nature except through seeking and desiring to have the divine nature as the guiding force in one's life.

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well sorry i call make believe

i dont want to get in touch with our creator and seek to get in its graces

physical law doesnt care it just does what it does and we are the result, but id like to understand it

as sagan said - we are just a way for the universe to appreciate its self

this threads getting turned into a religeous views of the world, stick to evolution will ya ive been enjoying it

and theres a few other forums dedicated to it, if it cant be proven save it for the correct threads please

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That probably means they ran out of argument noob...

I've noticed thats the trend around here

Has anyone contacted the scientific community? There might be a nobel prize in it if someone can successfully debunk a theory that has been around for over a century...

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i think they just wait till i go to sleep hopping i wont make 7 replies in a row like i did this morning

well i dont think mr hovind will be getting one, not unless he can commit fraud to get it

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We should look into writing a computer program...

All the attacks, defenses and questions they pose, are all so predictable, there has to be a way to program automated response

It would be a nice change of pace to have some sort of "new" argument...

Unfortunately, science is the only side that gets new information...

Originally posted by Article11

Originally posted by furiousracer313
Evolution has been officially debunked...Check it out guys, no more evolution unless your ignorant and still believe we came from monkeys...

I watched the first 10 minutes and still believe in apostrophes.

All I got was his big brothers wanted his banana.

You do know this isn't a gay porn site, right?

I could ask u the same question...

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haha HES A Idiot he mkaes it sound stupid with humor so htqat it makes you laugh then u sublimaly think hey hes funny funny people are smart and nice. i could say the same things about christianty. "evolution is religon" " the earth is 6000 years old ill be laughing bout this for weeks

HAHA just heard 5 "If there are no absolutes how do we do good if theres no god how do we do good." i can tell you how when you help a little girl and you see the smile on her facde you know thats the right thing. you do the right thing because on this heck hole off a planet we do wha twe can to briten it i dont do it so i go to heaven or the other way. this is hillarious. If i am REINCARNATED as a dog for saying this so be it.



p.s sorry for grammer

Looks like the mod removed his sources.. I did get a chance to look at them though, and it really does raise questions about evolution. Maybe yall that are experts in evolution can answer it.

Here is the site

This should be interesting.

Originally posted by Solomons
Emm did someone basically just say micro evolution is true but we have no evidence for macro? because...one cant exist without the other you know...

ha ha ha ya know for years I have seen the arguments for evolution and the way they have used all kinds of tricks using semantics and merging meanings of words to support their theory, so I get a little choked up when those meanings I predicted they would merge years ago, show up being used just like I had anticipated they would, I have to suggest to you a common sense reason the words micro and macro evolution have two seprate distinction for two seprate words and are not used symantically.

Yet.

The reason is this idea of attempting to say they mean the same thing and one can't exist without the other is still a relatively new tactic by the darwinists. The reason they used to be separate is Darwinists could prove micro evolution and even most fundie xtians will support that area of evolution, you know getting a sun tan, or seeing an increase in muscle mass or even to the various breeds of dog that were brought about in only 1500 years. That we can see every day and is well proven these adaptations and changes are all well within the genetic design of all creatures. This is why we saw Darwins Finchs beaks change back to their original size and shape but never did we see the finch turn into another species of animal Macro evolution has NEVER been observed and never will. All those using such evidence as fossil or even the citrate eating bacteria ecoli have never seen it become anything else. The pressures environmental stresses on creatures cause those best suited for the survival of that species to live longer passing that gene on to the offspring of that species but it is still the same damn animal and we have seen that for millions of years now. The cockroach is still a cockroach looking just like it did millions of years ago, the sharks today look like the ones we see in million year old fossils. The horseshoe crab looks no different today then it did millions and millions of years ago. Many of the latest living fossils thought to be extinct for millions of years have shown up looking exactly how they did in fossils millions of years ago. You might say they didn't change because they were perfectly suited for their environment but that is forgetting the fact they were thought to be extinct so something was diminishing their numbers and though the strongets ones survived by the very skin of their teeth,, the gene pool shows them looking exactly the same. When I have seen ANY evidence of so called molecules to man macro evolution, invariably it is predicated on a lot of faith and a lot of speculation but non of it could prove to me that Darwinian macro evolution is anything more than a tired old useless pathetic theory that has been debunked so much it isn't funny anymore.

In Fact, Darwin wouldn't even know his own theory today and I am quite sure he wouldn't be too happy with what they have done with it in the name of advancing atheism in public schools as that is all it is ever used for and why it is so arduously guarded. They have meshed science and evolution, the word species is now meshed with phyla, the word macro meshed with micro the word theory meshed with fact and all of this was done NOT by the sciences of quantum physics or chemistry or mathmatics but biology where people like Prof. Richard Dawkins have been completely anhiliated in debates by the pure sciences. Not even cosmology can be called a science when we want to use the scientific method because we look out through the hubble seeing images of purple plasma and have no idea if that is a cluster or if all that out there is much further away having no clue what is outside of the universe, we speculate and that is all we will ever do. I believe evolution should have been tossed to the curb long ago

Originally posted by ShakeNBake
Here is the site

This should be interesting.

That's not his site. And it's not interesting. Are you really that baked ShakeNBake?

This thread is about a man now IN JAIL FOR FRAUD.

www.religionnewsblog.com...

That's all that's interesting about it.

TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION

I personally don't understand how people are not able to question their own beliefs and yet still try to convince people that their thinking is absolutly true.

Now what I will do is that I will question my own thinking (I believe in evolution) in order to try to convince people who don't believe it. What I will give here is not a pure proof but only pure logical thinking, so it is of course up to you to keep what is you think worth keeping or not.

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Ok let's assume, for this experiment, that creationnism is true and that all the species have been created by God the way they are. Among all the species created by God, let's take a single species for this theorical experiment.

Let's take, for example a group of dingos (kind of dog-like animal in Australia with short hair).

Now, God created them with short hair because he thought if they had long hair they would have struggled living in a hot temperature like in Australia and would die. Some have a little shorter, some a little longer hair but globally, for this population, they have on average short hair and so they are perfectly adapted to their environment and live in total harmony with nature..well it couldn't have been an other way if you think it's the work of the Great Architect..

Anyway, they exist for thousands of years happily but suddenly (on a geological scale - a few years let's say) an environmental change happens (there are examples of this in the earth's past so it is completely possible) and the environment in which the dingos live becomes on average colder by several degress permanently.

Of course because the dingos have short hair they can't stand the cold and cold, as we all know, can kill beings because hot blooded animals have to maintain a certain temperature and the more energy is wasted on heating yourself the more difficult it becomes to survive.

So here is the question for the non-believers:

Given that in that population of short haired dingos there are some with relatively short and some with relatively long hair which INDIVIDUALS will have a biggest chance of survival?

Answer: of course the relatively longer haired dingos will have a bigger chance of survival and the shorter haired ones will have more chances of DYING.

Because the INDIVIDUALS with short hair will have more chances of dying in this population the long haired will be able to mate with individuals whom otherwise would have been able to mate also with short haired ones.

This will, at long term (many generations - 200 years lets say) decrease the population of short haired dingos and increase the population of long haired.

At the end the global population of dingos will have changed, this can be thought as a micro evolution on a single trait.

The biggest confusion that is made on evolution is that evolution IS NOT about a species becoming BETTER, but only more ADAPTED to the environment in which it lives.

Another big misunderstanding of this phenomenon is to think that individuals evolve. THIS IS COMPLETELY FALSE. In this example, the short haired dingos didn't evolve, they have simply PERISHED. They have died and the survivers, the relatively longer haired could reproduce and pass their traits to the next generations.

They have been NATURALLY SELECTED. Which means that only the adapted to the natural environment survived.

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In this example, although it is only THEORICAL, we can think that even if creationnism was true, and that God created every being as he wanted, evolution would still exist

Even today, the species not adapted disappear like the pandas etc and the species that are adapted evolve like rats, ants etc..

To all non-belivers of evolution..

just think about this..

question the unquestionnable..

deny ignorence..

A. that guy's in prison for tax evasion and B. his arguments are flawed. Just because you can't see a person get old overnight doesn't mean people don't age.

Originally posted by ShakeNBake
Looks like the mod removed his sources.. I did get a chance to look at them though, and it really does raise questions about evolution. Maybe yall that are experts in evolution can answer it.

Here is the site

This should be interesting.

no it really wasnt they usual misrepresentation

bunch of strawmen

bunch of lies

ahh and the usual thermodynamics argument that they dont actually understand

wow arcaheopterix is a fully fledged bird? with the same lung system as dinosaurs, teeth no beak a reptilian long tail finger claws

Evolutionists often call certain chemicals "the building blocks of life", giving people the false impression that you just stack the building blocks together and you get life.

ummm if only it was that easy, but we can make our very own scrath built virus's although no scientist will tell you its just putting blocks together simple .....

No one has ever done that, including the famous 1953 Miller/Urey experiment where all they got were clumps of amino acids. Many people mistakenly think scientists have made life from chemicals in the lab, but they have not (though many have tried very hard).

well no one who has read the paper thinks he has made life so who are these many people? that wasnt even what he was trying to do, and i dont think they appreciate what a big step making SOME amino acids are (22 and adonine one of the 4 main components of rna dna)

and nucleotide molecules that form DNA and RNA resist combining at any temperature. To combine, they need the help of mechanisms in a living cell or a biochemist in an organic chemistry laboratory

or the miller/urey experiment you just lied about, and they formed all by thier very own in a sealed system so they only needed them to shove the stuff in a jar and warm it up a little ....guess your lying then

DNA is made of only right-handed versions of nucleotides, while proteins are made of only left-handed versions of amino acids. Yet any random chemical reaction that produced nucleotides or amino acids would make an equal mix of left and right-handed versions of each

good job its A) not random and B) radiation(tested with x-rays at present) added to them during forming make them right handed

they do like the words PURE CHANCE .... apparently we have to believe in it even if evolution isnt based on pure chance .... how curious

They temporarily abandon natural selection

??? ummm they arnt even trying to hide the lies now

The Bottom Line
There are only two possibilities. Either every part of every living thing arose by random chance, or an intelligence designed them

or maybe evolution which isnt random chance did it?

shake read a book, and one with some science in it this stuff will rot your brain


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