Evolution Officially Debunked!!!

Originally posted by Aermacchi

ha ha ha ya know for years I have seen the arguments for evolution and the way they have used all kinds of tricks using semantics and merging meanings of words to support their not believing the theory, so I get a little choked up when those meanings I predicted they would merge years ago,

you missed a couple of essential words out to describe the ones trying to alter meanings, p.s. they are not merging them they are trying to actualy make them real things not just descriptives of the same thing


a new tactic? first place it was found? creationist littenay

its not so much you cant have one with out the other becasue neither of them are actually things, they dont exist

there is evolution, thats it short simple and sweet

now scientists use micro and macro evolution when talking to explain different degrees of change observed, but some people who dont really understand it and want to say its wrong grabbed both phrases ran with it and tried to make it 2 big seperate things

its like hair

hair is always hair, but when barbers are discussing hair they use micro(short)hair and macro(long)hair so they know what level the hair is at, its still hair

and just like the theory of hair says when micro hair goes through lots of small changes it builds up so it becomes long hair

but some people who dont understand it run around saying long hair cant exist, theres no way micro hair given time to change its state can become long hair so they are forced to misrepresent what long hair is

so let me ask you, what is it that prevents micro hair given time to build up change prevents it becomeing long hair?

All those using such evidence as fossil or even the citrate eating bacteria ecoli have never seen it become anything else.

no and evolution tells us it wont suddenly become somthing entirely different, it will be a bit different to the one before it like the citrate eating bacteria

or chlorella spp when it went from uni cellular to basic multicellular(colonial) it was almost exactly the same as the unicellular, everything is almost the smae as what it came from its all the little changes all the almosts that make the differance

and new spoecies arise all the time, but your not talking new species your talking sparrows becoming dogs and jumping across not species but family and phyla classes, and with the exception of plants jumping genus(happens often) evolution says it shouldnt be doing that, the tree structure of taxonomy and phylogenetics dont show it happeneing either, if it ever did the evolution is wrong
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Evolution in the sense of small adaptions is real, but us to come from bacteria? I have no idea. We are not rdy for that. This isnt even our planet. Reptiles are the originals.

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what happens when billions of small changes build up?

reptiles are about 1/2 way down the list of things there was plenty that came before them

Since we discovered the possibility that evolution is going on should christians not also believe that it is part of God's plan?
I come from a varied religious background heavily influenced by christian and pagan beliefs. Several times I've had discussions with religious leaders of various groups about this topic. This is my idea;
If you believe that God created everything and He rested on the seventh day (however you interpret that) what did God do after that? Stop? I don't think so and see no reason to believe otherwise. I believe that God continues to create and that is evolution, evidence of God being active in creation to this date. Why not? On a lighter note to my fellow religious leaders I added; since when does a man ever create something in his workshop and NOT continue to tinker with it? :-)

reply to post by deepvoid


But then you are left with trying to explain why we need to assign a supreme being to a natural process... And if we were created in "his" own image, than why tinker? Is he trying to improve on his own designs?

Your also assigning human traits to a supreme being... There's no need to do this, unless the old saying is true, and man created god in his own image...

I think you take this too seriously. The universe is quite vast and we only understand a small portion of it. I see no need to explain God or a need to assume there is a supreme being. My beliefs only aid me in my understanding of the universe. Since I know I'll never understand it fully in my lifetime it is not important what I perceive it to be. It is more important how i choose to live. On the other point, I like anthropormorphising God. Makes the idea of a supreme being seem closer to me and not some aloof entity. My choices, neither right nor wrong. None of us will truly know what the truth is until we die. Then there will be alot of religious folks around saying Oh WOW! or there will be nothing. Live well and help others to do so, too. If God is there He will enjoy the show.

reply to post by deepvoid


I can understand your perspective. Its not a bad position to take.

however, its not how i'm built. I may not be able to understand everything in my lifetime, but its not going to stop me from trying... Without further investigation and study, mankind will stagnate...

Every bit of technology is a result of people who wish to understand the nature of how things work. Without asking questions, we'd still be in the iron age...

Originally posted by furiousracer313

Originally posted by blowfishdl
Try pushing your debunked evolution strategy on a legitimate scientist. They have not the time of day to listen to a child's rant. Try reading the literature of Darwin, or even go visit Galapagos island yourself. The proof is there.

Really? because scientists who believe this evolutino crap have debated the guy in this video, and have been left confused. But i'll tell u what, go watch part 3, and if it interests u watch all the parts. Its like 8 parts. And if not keep ur mouth shut because u havent seen the video and probably know nothing of what he will say. So watch it and then talk. Thanks...

I am a scientist and have watched the video. I have also watched Schrodinger's wave equation and it works. I have seen DNA and have sequenced and manipulated it . If I have to decide between this creationist evangelist, whatever that means, and my own empirical experience, the latter wins. For remember, ignorance is natural, while stupidity takes great comittment. And as does Niel DeGrasse Tyson, I demand my right to be sm arter tomorrow than I am today.

reply to post by nj2day


Keep asking! It is a good path to take and you are right, we have gotten quite far in being inquisitive. I didn't mean to suggest we should be content with our knowledge. learning about and understanding the universe is a wonderful thing. I haven't stopped yet. Good journey to you.

Originally posted by nj2day
reply to post by deepvoid

 

But then you are left with trying to explain why we need to assign a supreme being to a natural process... And if we were created in "his" own image, than why tinker? Is he trying to improve on his own designs?

I believe it was Let US make man in OUR image, According to OUR likeness.
A whole new question i know and not being picky.... just wanted to say that.

reply to post by blupblup


I've seen the change in pronouns depending on which version of the Bible I read. If God is all then plural would be fine. Don't think its too important when dealing with a concept so vast.
also, in response to making man in God's image, should it be taken literally or figuratively? What is the image of God? Do we look like God or is it more figurative like we have the potential to be like God? Since God is a creative force why not create a similar being or as we do, try to improve on ourselves? If we are created of the same "image" then is our behaviour similar to what God does? maybe just on a simpler level. Food for thought.
I'm still of a mind that He would keep on creating, the creation process never ended.

I know no one will probably watch this...

Carl Sagan explains everything in layman's terms

Google Video Link

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I've watched this many times. Awesome and well said. I am a great admirer of Mr. Sagan. He was a great and wise man, a credit to humanity.

reply to post by deepvoid


I've got the entire series on DVD

Sagan was brilliant... Explaining something that complex in simple terms is challenging...

What else is amazing is that this was produced in 1980... and only required a brief update about 2 or 3 mins long at the start of teh DVD set...

Everything we've discovered in the last 28 years, hasn't changed what is said... instead, it further demonstrates that Sagan (and the Scientific community) was on the right track back then....

Originally posted by furiousracer313
Evolution has been officially debunked. Watch this series, and i promise it isnt boring cause the guy make jokes and is a great speaker. Check it out guys, no more evolution unless your ignorant and still believe we came from monkeys...

You have to be freakin kidding me? I guess your not joking huh?
This is a pure insult.. And more bible thumping non sense!!

Here are the goals of this video the OP put out here as a debunking..




Well you sertinly made me very uncomfortable!
Thanks..
Job done!

Originally posted by deepvoid
reply to post by blupblup

 

I've seen the change in pronouns depending on which version of the Bible I read. If God is all then plural would be fine. Don't think its too important when dealing with a concept so vast.

No i guess not, and i know it does vary.
It's just I'm not sure (Theoretically if he did) that he would say "our" and "us"

also, in response to making man in God's image, should it be taken literally or figuratively? What is the image of God? Do we look like God or is it more figurative like we have the potential to be like God? Since God is a creative force why not create a similar being or as we do, try to improve on ourselves?

I personally don't believe anything in any holy book should be taken literally.
I would imagine it means that we are/have the power to be, creators/gods ourselves.
We can shape our own reality and do constantly, so i would have thought the latter.

If we are created of the same "image" then is our behaviour similar to what God does? maybe just on a simpler level. Food for thought.
I'm still of a mind that He would keep on creating, the creation process never ended.

If anything, I would say he may have created the spark of life and then let it run it's course, theoretically speaking, obviously.
If our behaviour is similar, then a lot of people are in trouble when they meet up with their god.

He must be pretty sick and twisted to have created humans the way he did.
And judging by what man/mankind has done since the days of "creation" if god is anything like us/ we are anything like god..... we are screwed!!

our children are mistake ridden versions of ourselves, but they grow up and improve.

Originally posted by furiousracer313
Well i though instead of writing an essay for yall i could provide a link that is alot more convenient for yall... so go to part 3 and watch that, and if u like it watch the whole thing.. its not that long. And what he says is backed up by evidence....

Sadly enough I wasted some time on your video.. But then again I like to give everyone a small chance.
But the so called evidence that is being used is the bible. And pure faith and the word of God..
This reads more like.. Okay, all those people like Carl Sagan are wrong.
God is good, and God is great!
Now send me some money!!!

This is a total whitewash, and a real insult to thinking minds all over this planet.
Im very open minded, and I do not mind a person to hold any faith they so wish to belive in. Belive what ever you want!!!

But dont try to convert me..

And this video is pure none sense.. And only serves a greater evil.

This video is all about the bible, and converting people over to belive in this nonesense.. Then he has the balls to ask for money..
LOL This is good for a laugh atleast!
Speaking of having a good laugh.. here ya go!


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You're absolutely correct Zysin, thank you for that. I can always count on you to come along and express exactly what I was thinking as well....even after my patience has worn so thin that I don't care to argue about the matter anymore. Rock on man.

It's mathematically impossible even with a trillion years for a few amino acids floating around in a swamp to gather together to make a single strand of DNA never mind a single celled organism.

Now consider that there are millions of types of life on earth and millions of single celled organisms. That means trillions X trillions of parallel transformations within DNA and cells (among all the separate species) would have to magically take place. If that was the case, we would be able to observe transformations with our own eyes....and lots of them. We do see variations within species through adaptive responses(which is preprogramed in their genetic code)as with dogs and humans, but a dog is a dog is a dog and an adaptive response does not transform one species into another. There is no evidence for that. Well, an eternity would not give you enough time for the trillions of parallel transmutations and transformations to take place.

Believing evolution is like believing that if you watched the snow on an off air television set the electrons would eventually form a picture of my naked wife! You only wish...LOL