ABC says conspiracy web sites are contributing to mental health issues

reply to post by Yoda411

Let's pretend your grandfather is younger in the same situation and surfed the web while in the hospital and found the article where the nurses are all reptilians on ATS, and the scenario described previously is applied.

Would you argue that this fact-less concept could potentially further skew his perception of reality?

if I'm not capable of determining what's real and what's not - who's accountable for my skewed perceptions?

ABC has implied that conspiracy theory sites are in some way culpable

you agree

neither reality - or a complete lack of reality - is the culprit in a situation where someone is paranoid and/or delusional

but, even if one could prove that false information contributes in a very real way to the deterioration of someone's mental health - so?

this world is full to the brim with false information - fiction, religion, art, politics - news

what your grandpa told you when you were a boy

if our real and sincere interest is with the mentally ill - and we propose to protect them from imaginary reality - what is it we should do?

we can ask for the educated opinions of all the psychiatrists and psychologists in the world - it's not an exact science - there is no exact solution in this situation

what sites are safe - which are too dangerous? what can we discuss - what's off limits? how far does all this go?

earlier you said you were against censorship - and I believe you - but that's the only place this can go

we can't make the world a safe place for the delusional - sanitized for their protection

but, maybe we can find a better way to diagnose and treat them - and educate each other about the reality of their condition - instead of shunning them

getting back to the article - it proposes nothing

they haven't proven their point - they haven't even established what their point really is - they only ask a muddy question - and point a finger

reply to post by americandingbat


Indeed. So if the question to be asked is, "which psychologist do we trust?", then the answer is both. Both of them have done their absolute best to apply ancient psychiatric theory to modern day technology. This is not an easy task, and therefor we have no definite answer.

What we are left with, in my opinion, is our personal experiences. From my personal experiences, if someone is depressed and then you tell them their dog is dead, the assumed reaction would be to become more deeply depressed.

In the same respect, if someone is paranoid, telling them Biped Reptilians are dressing up like humans and ruling the world through mind control I would only expect them to become more paranoid.

If someone is happy, and you tell them they are going on vacation to Costa Rica, the natural reaction would be to become even happier.

If someone is delusional and believes monsters live in his closet, and you show him an article from what he assumes is a credible source that seems to prove that not only do monsters live in your closet but they are coming out at night and picking your boogers, [assuming he believes it] he has therefor become more delusional.

I understand if you consider this taking it out of context, however I am just attempting to explain my personal psychology applicable to my opinion.

Originally posted by Yoda411
reply to post by americandingbat

 

Indeed. So if the question to be asked is, "which psychologist do we trust?", then the answer is both. Both of them have done their absolute best to apply ancient psychiatric theory to modern day technology. This is not an easy task, and therefor we have no definite answer.

The difference being that Dr. Bell has spent the past four years doing research that specifically focuses on this question.

You are welcome to your opinion; indeed the reporter is welcome to her opinion.

But I wonder why she didn't interview Dr. Bell, who is recognized to be an expert in this matter and has been interviewed by the Herald Tribune, the New York Times, and the Washington Post in the past year or so? Those articles must have been part of her research, right?

The point, however, is, most people are not mentally ill. Most are competent human beings, vastly superior in ethics and morality than the corrupt leaders and the bought and paid for prostitutes that pass as media. And no one is going to curtail their online activities. And yes, something is going to happen. Critical mass is going to be reached. The resistance, should they play openly their world domination card, will be mounted. Its for real. When the people win, conspiracy sites will be recognized as grass roots information that serves the purpose its intended to do. Wake us up and get us ready to kick ass when the time comes.

Please read and comment on the "personal experiences" part of my last post, which I hope somebody might find insightful. I am signing out for tonight. Thanks for the civil discussion everyone I will check back tomorrow.

Sleep well

It's always nice to have a civil discussion

i did my part on ABC's website... I know its againts ats rules to encourage activism.. however this is a direct attack on the basis for what ATS stands for.. I recommend posting on there and let them know how we "crazy" conspiracy folks feel about article.

[edit on 15-12-2008 by thefreepatriot]

reply to post by spinkyboo


Whew. ThX GOD. I read all these pages hoping there was someone here who had at least a modicum of understanding of this mental disease. Of course you are quite right. Few Shizos would even be on the net, never mind any conspiracies. If you told someone with that disease while they were having an episode it's likely they would think you were crazy or more likely that it was part of the conspiracy to drive THEM crazy. Otherwise when on medication, they just strive to have whatever a 'normal' life means in terms of living. Most of them here are homeless and just wander around town. Only remembering to go to the shelters for food and such. Many live outside unless it's too cold and then they head for the shelters. I wouldn't worry about ABC. They are just miffed their ratings went down and are just trying to start trouble. Look what a discussion they got started! LOL! I bet they have a mole in here who is lol too.

and in other news
"Conspiracy web sites say ABC is contributing to mental health issues"
Citing:
Propaganda
Mind control
Pandering
and other concerns


What about all the people who say thier TV's send them messages into thier heads, what's ABC doing to stop those mental issues?

Upon the bright side of this issue..
We are making head way!!!

If this is breaking into the mainstream.. Then affect is in process!

WE are gaining support.. We are gaining a foot hold in the War that is going on for you mind..

Sertinly we must expect them to try to counter act this affect going on withint the waking mind of the everyday person.

But it makes me feel good to know.. We are starting to see some headway here.. Thats a foot in the door.

AT one time they didnt have to utter a word on the mainstream about conspriacy sites.. It was just known.. They are tin foil hat nutters!!!

Now they need to muster a defence VS the awakened!
They have always been taking pot shots at us.. cheap low blows.

This is a postive sign of the times.

Originally posted by cindy22761

This morning ABC had an article implying that conspiracy websites are contributing to mental health issues, therefore they should not be allowed.

After many excellent comments were posted that supported conspiracy websites...the article and comments are no longer there.

Is this a sign of the next area of attack? I think we should be paying attention to avenues to stop internet censorship now! If the free speech that is available on the internet is taken away where will we obtain real information?

Should we be planning an alternate way besides the internet to contact one another and keep spreading the truth?

Some say smoking Marijuana causes mental Illness

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
i did my part on ABC's website... I know its againts ats rules to encourage activism.. however this is a direct attack on the basis for what ATS stands for.. I recommend posting on there and let them know how we "crazy" conspiracy folks feel about article.

[edit on 15-12-2008 by thefreepatriot]

They want you to get angry. So dont give them the time of day to rile you up. If you attack them with comments in a not so positive way they will use that against you to make you really seem like a cook so other visitors to the site who see those comments will tend to find some truth in the article. If you have to comment give them for and against but try less to attack.

reply to post by LordBaskettIV


haha Great point , I brought up that same point on page 10

[edit on 16-12-2008 by Max_TO]

Originally posted by Yoda411


If you are going to attempt to debate the dictionary, save it for another ignorant thread.

I am not debating the dictionary. I am enlightening you to how the medical professions diagnosis mental illness. When you go to your doctor next, really want him looking things up on Dictionary.com to find out how to treat you? Sorry but we have a medical profession and we have rules about mental illness diagnosis and treatment and all that good stuff. Dictionary.com aint it. I am not arguing the dictionary with you, I am telling you to get out of your chair and go open a book or look into something besides google.

Thank you to everyone who contributed. Hopefully free speech & free thoughts will be allowed on the internet for awhile longer. I so appreciate ATS because it is an excellent avenue to learn, teach and digest new and different ideas. In this vein I must reemphasize the fact that. The quoted message below was written as a reply to a fellow Christian. Perhaps I should not have used the word *everyone* when I posted it. Didn't mean to offend anyone who does not follow Christ teachings.

"I agree... except I think that the WAR against Christians is already happening in the media and definitely on the internet.
Christians will have to be spiritually strong to face all that is coming. It is time for *everyone* to rely on the Holy Spirit & get back to reading the bible."

However I must add that our war mongering history does not relate to the true Christian teachings of LOVE the Lord your God with all your heart, mind & soul and LOVE One another. Man has set up wars as lies! Wars made by men are not part of the true heart of Christianity. Look deeper.

Originally posted by Yoda411

Originally posted by Vasilis Azoth

Originally posted by Yoda411
Would you argue that this fact-less concept could potentially further skew his perception of reality? Potentially even permanently embedding the idea that his nurses are reptilians?

By this reasoning we should ban all works of fiction. After all a mentally unstable person could read/watch it and think it is true.

Vas

Ah, but the difference is fiction is rightfully labeled fiction where as on a website you have to determine the credibility yourself through research and fact checking. Not everyone is mentally fit for this.

Is it? It's clearly labeled right there on the cover of every novel? No. It's in some tiny print on like the third page with the copyright info. And as you know everyone reads the copyright page. How about the guy that sits down in front of a TV and flicks it on and there is a "show" already in progress? How would a seriously delusional person tell the difference between that fiction and reality?

My arguement stands.

Vas

Originally posted by Vasilis Azoth
Ah, but the difference is fiction is rightfully labeled fiction where as on a website you have to determine the credibility yourself through research and fact checking. Not everyone is mentally fit for this.

Is it? It's clearly labeled right there on the cover of every novel? No. It's in some tiny print on like the third page with the copyright info.

It's not that where it is labeled that counts, it is that the data is readily available.


[edit on 12/16/08 by Yoda411]

The biggest problem with this story is the fact that there were no facts. I cannot believe there are so many pages to the numerous threads on this. It should all stop right after everyone realizes this is a news story with no facts in it. NOT ONE. NO FACTS. That is what we call opinion and not why my tax dollars go to the FCC to set up rules about the good of the public being served by stations that benefit from their airwaves.

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
The biggest problem with this story is the fact that there were no facts. I cannot believe there are so many pages to the numerous threads on this. It should all stop right after everyone realizes this is a news story with no facts in it. NOT ONE. NO FACTS. That is what we call opinion and not why my tax dollars go to the FCC to set up rules about the good of the public being served by stations that benefit from their airwaves.

There need be no facts to spur strong opinions surrounding the matter.

The problem I have with the article is that for the most part, it surrounds conspiracy theorists rather than conspiracy theory followers. I believe the followers are where the true delusion begins.

The problem with conspiracy theory followers is that there also need be no facts in these threads for there to be followers, in the same way the ABC article lacks in pure factual evidence.

The line between delusion and reality is blurred with some of the conspiracy theories that bounce around, which can neither be fully debunked or backed up with scientific facts.

My personal opinion is that those with pre-existing mental conditions could be further pushed into a false state of reality, depression, or paranoia upon reading [and believing] unfounded conspiracy theories. Additionally, if you are believing unfounded conspiracy theories you are likely to be a danger to yourself in one way or the other.

Originally posted by Yoda411
There need be no facts to spur strong opinions surrounding the matter.

ABC NEWS

News needs facts.