NIST Officially Admits Freefall Speed re:WTC 7!!

Originally posted by SPreston

FACT 2: WTC Building 7 – on its 23rd floor – housed an Emergency Command Center for the City of New York that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had built in the mid-1990’s. On the morning of September 11th, Mayor Giuliani did not go “to his Command Center – with its clear view of the Twin Towers – but to a makeshift, street-level headquarters at 75 Barkley Street.” WTC 7 also held the offices of numerous government agencies, including the U.S. Department of Defense, the CIA, the Secret Service, the IRS, and the Security and Exchange Commission.5 Late 2001 was the time of “the height of the investigation into Enron, so the majority of Enron’s SEC filings were likely destroyed when World Trade Center 7 came down.”6

In regards to all the above agencies; How long... and how many colors of skeletons do you think they have been stuffing into this closet aka WTC building 7?

Long enough to NOT want to move any of it.

So that's where Jimmy Hoffa's been.

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Mod edit: Fixed quote.

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Originally posted by mbkennel
Only if all of the mass building was moving at free fall. In reality, you see some of it (the upper parts) doing so, but that doesn't mean that all of it did, and for all time from initial to final configuration.

Collapsing buildings fall at 'g', whether from internal collapse or induced collapse.

This is not indication of any conspiracy at all

I'm an engineer and I agree with this. When the upper floors collapsed, the huge mass falling down, there's no artificial structure on earth absorbing such force. If you try to even absorb energy of the falling mass' for a couple seconds to a full stop, that would amount to dozens of G's(G-forces so to speak).

I don't know how heavy the upper floors that fell, probably, thousands of tons or more, multiply by the dozens and you have an enormous unstoppable force.

ALTHOUGH it is still plausible they used explosives to maybe contain the collapse and minimize damage to surrounding buildings. But with explosive or not, the speed of collapse would not have significantly be affected.

Originally posted by ahnggk


ALTHOUGH it is still plausible they used explosives to maybe contain the collapse and minimize damage to surrounding buildings. But with explosive or not.....

This part of your reply may hold unspeakable truth.

Originally posted by ahnggk
I'm an engineer and I agree with this. When the upper floors collapsed,

Was it a pancake collapse now in WTC7, or do we even have a collapse mechanism like that? I haven't seen one and NIST's report is already out.

It would be useful to see what allegedly broke free, what it fell into, etc. You wouldn't be dealing with the mass of the entire upper floors right away.

Oh come on guys. Out of all the crazy # we believe do you honestly think the US government could get away with something this ridiculous? I mean we aren't talking about hiding super weapons or classified documents. We are talking about the government commiting a crime of insane proportions and paying off thousands of people to keep their lips shut. It's too wild to be true.

Considering that I've seen long math formulas that also supposedly proved it did not fall at freefall speeds, I don't think this means much. When it comes down to professionals.. those with experience and knowledge, I've seen quite a few more say that this was a collapse due to fire, than those who claim otherwise.

Unless you can produce someone who says flat-out "I was involved, it was a demolition," then you cannot prove your theory. Just like many other occurences on that day, many things happened that have not normally happened before. No one flew jets into buildings before, nor had the massive fallout of this event. So you can't go with convential knowledge and theories. Unless you can replicate the same conditions, it's guesswork.

I've read more than once that the risers and something else fell faster than the building, which is impossible they said, unless those risers had lilttle rockets attached to them. So this doesn't mean much to me at this point. It's certainly no smoking gun.

reply to post by fleabit

It's certainly no smoking gun.

Really! The world is depending on NIST to tell us the truth of what really happened to those building. We the people would expect, NIST to do a good job since they where paid millions of dollars of the taxpayers money. However, they have failed and the reason they failed to deliver is that they sold “us” out! NIST decided to jump on the terrorist bandwagon for money! NIST are now “DISLOYAL” traitors
NIST had lied to everyone saying the reason they never investigated demolition being used on the WTC was they said there where no eyewitness to the explosion claiming no one heard anything and no one saw anything PLEASE! The smoking gun is they are covering up DEMOLITION! Its not just bad science, it is BAD LYING!

Originally posted by ahnggk

I'm an engineer and I agree with this. When the upper floors collapsed, the huge mass falling down, there's no artificial structure on earth absorbing such force. If you try to even absorb energy of the falling mass' for a couple seconds to a full stop, that would amount to dozens of G's(G-forces so to speak).

I don't know how heavy the upper floors that fell, probably, thousands of tons or more, multiply by the dozens and you have an enormous unstoppable force.

ALTHOUGH it is still plausible they used explosives to maybe contain the collapse and minimize damage to surrounding buildings. But with explosive or not, the speed of collapse would not have significantly be affected.

Then why bother loading buildings with explosives to bring them down then? Why not just do the top floors and let the "force" from the top floors bring them down. This is a load of poo no offense. The top few floors weight is not going to crush the other majority of floors structure at freefall speed. Its not going to happen.

Here is the sad part to this. None of this info will ever make the news. It is thrown in a report that no one is going to ever read. The only thing this does is make people like me lose more sleep than I already do over 9/11 knowing that our government would sacrifice thousands in the sake of world conquest. The masses of sheeple will not listen. No matter how much we disprove their lies so new ones can be formed. Alls we can do is keep up the good fight.

I think all you 9/11 truthers are being taken for a ride.

I think they WANT you to uncover the reality of the situation.. and bleed out tiny bits like this here and there. Hell I think half of their mess ups were ON PURPOSE.. like reporting on building 7 falling before it did etc...
they'll drip drip drip all the evidence you need bit by bit till it's all in plain site.. then have "hearings" etc...
so that america as a whole all of a sudden gasps and wakes up and retaliates.. then they have the COMPLETELY PERFECT excuse to SLAM down the BIG IRON BOOT BIG TIME.

It's not the 9/11 truthers that they're waiting for ....
they're waiting for the ignorant masses they've dumbed down.. to wake up once THEY TELL THEM that they did it...
That many people.. waking up in that short of a time is going to be complete CHAOS..

and the boot-stomp will be complete.

this is why I don't get involved in the whole 9-11 thing.
you truth activists are just playing into an even larger trap that's set.
you think plans aren't in place for that eventuality? people all finding out?? you think that those plans weren't the prime goal and the other event's .. just expressions.. affects of obtaining that goal?

My advice is just get away and stay OUT of the way.


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You are right! The TV has done a wonderful job dumbing down the Americans people.
However, no one outside of ATS will ever know the truth and frankly, they do not want to know. Brittney Spears is more important than 911 and the truth. When I some time mention something about 911, I see the subject change quickly. People are afraid that our Government may be involved and if it is ever proven true, there will be an upraising in this Country unlike we have ever seen. People will reliesed our Government turn on them, murder innocent Americans, and looted this Country money. These thugs will do it again and again until we stop them. Who are the thugs that I am talking about they are in the Bush administration!

Originally posted by fleabit
Considering that I've seen long math formulas that also supposedly proved it did not fall at freefall speeds, I don't think this means much.

Long formulae are not needed. A velocity-time curve with plotted data points is enough. A simple linear regression proves the constant increase in velocity at a rate near enough to 9.8 m/s^2. The NIST report acknowledges that for 2.5 seconds the building fell with a free fall acceleration.

Unless you can replicate the same conditions, it's guesswork.

That's right. NIST certainly guessed, didn't they?

I've read more than once that the risers and something else fell faster than the building, which is impossible they said, unless those risers had lilttle rockets attached to them.

Being ignorant about velocity and acceleration will usually prove troublesome to some people.

Two different objects in free fall can have different initial (ejection) velocities, yet they will both be experiencing the same free fall acceleration.

So this doesn't mean much to me at this point. It's certainly no smoking gun.

You can't see the gun through all of the smoke, that's the problem.

The guys at NIST knew their explainations wolud not hold up under close scrutiny that's what these guys body laguage told me,that's what you sholud expect from a scientific organization that has sold out in the name of partisan politcs a.k.a "national security"

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The "Pulled" from Larry S has been debunked before many times, even on a BBC documentary in the UK. I'm sure someone else here can point to the source. As for people like you, finding something which implies it could have been part of a controlled demo is enough for you to spout this kind of nonsense whilst ignoring the logical explanation.

edit: here it is

uk.youtube.com...


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Does anyone have a link to an interview of a man who worked in one of the towers who said for 2 weeks before 9/11 there were men working on the floor above his office? He was sick on 9/11 but some day before looked down the hall of that floor and said everything was cleared out because men were working there. No desks or anything anymore just open space with men working.

You really don't need any science to see the truth, you know what the gov is capable of and who benifitted the most from this. You saw with your own eyes and heard with your own ears who did this. I now it's hard to believe but the government doesn't love you as much as you thought.

The fact that they spent more money on the de-bunking 9/11 myths doc than the actual 9/11 report should tell you something.

It never ceases to amaze me how blind to the truth some people are. The fact of the matter is WTC-7 had office supplies, furniture, drop ceiling tiles, painted GWB, etc feeding the fires. How the hell did that burn hot enough to cause the building to collapse? The first time I saw a video of the collapse my blood ran cold, it was obvious a structure fire couldn't bring a building that size down like that. Between the steel frame and the massive amount of rebar in the building, only a fool would believe a few small fires could cause that collapse.

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i just sent this to CNN ::crosses fingers::

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That's the point! Like the rats walking proudly to the cat saying: "You lied, now i know youre not my friend!" Right, but guess what happens to the rat? IMHO these fascistoid people (politicians, bankers, scientists...) don't bother at all about "us": They are so bluntly lying in our faces, laughing about us, and when all is out... it won't make any difference! What the hell do you want to do? They can manipulate us, they can kill thousands of people, they can throw the world into the biggest economy crisis since the worldwars. The net in which we are trapped is far bigger, more powerful and tighter than we can even imagine.

Wake up. They killed 3000 people without one single reason! Just to START a war they killed the people! What will they do IN a war?! They polluted the world for billions of years, they want to bring weapons in SPACE! Damn, wake the hell up and by a farm on the easter islands.

The truth is its not just the americans that are dumb and oblivious to what is happening and has happened, ts the entire world and if the entire world were to wake up after the chaos life would never be the same again. Its a scary thought.

In addition I have shown several of my colleagues this video and guess what the reaction was? the sad fact is the majority of people do not want to know the truth as long as they are ok. It makes my blood boil!

Originally posted by KIRKSTERUK
reply to post by ashamedamerican

 

The "Pulled" from Larry S has been debunked before many times, even on a BBC documentary in the UK. I'm sure someone else here can point to the source. As for people like you, finding something which implies it could have been part of a controlled demo is enough for you to spout this kind of nonsense whilst ignoring the logical explanation.

edit: here it is

uk.youtube.com...


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Wow! I was totally unaware that people tried to sell "pull it" as "pull all the firemen out of the building!!! I know that whenever I talk about multiple people, I ALWAYS refer to them as 'it'. Except for in that last sentence.

Are you being WILLFULLY ignorant, or do you just have some kind of vested interest in believing that ridiculous explanation? Oh, wait, only explanations which contradict government sources, who would never lie to get us to support a war, are ridiculous, nonsense, or somehow 'illogical'. Thermal expansion collapsing a building for the first time ever? Now THERE'S logic.

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WoW that sound like me when I was on High School and did not study for a test!!!! incredible that this people have the balls to make such an important document and do not know how to back up their findings... smell funny


wut is up with the words on the bottom after you type a reply mine was "IRANCONTRA" what does that mean????