UN Blowback: More Than 650 Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

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Dead right, that's why the majority of people are so easily manipulated within their minds.

Time to grow-up mankind and stop being so tribal. Become an individual.

Originally posted by Solomons
Can any person who knows much about the global warming phenomena answer my question about the permafrost in siberia? wheres melatonin when you need him....

Sadly, we don't get much from Siberian weather stations anymore.

In 1970, there were 15,000 stations reporting out of the then-USSR. Since 1990, and the fall of the Soviet Union, this number has been reduced to 5,000 reporting, very few of which are in Siberia. It appears that Russia let the Siberian stations fall by the wayside.

That's one reason GW climate figures show "additional heat." There's no additional heat, but a loss of some of the coldest-reporting stations we ever had available to us.

As you know, Siberia represents one of the most consistently cold climates on Earth. Without those thousands of Siberian stations, we can't assimilate these sub-freezing temperatures into our climate data.

Huge loss,no?

Originally posted by jdub297
You don't have to be afraid of warming, just that we've wasted time and money fighting something that doesn't exist when they could've been devoted to a real problem we could do something about.

It exists and it's REAL, if you've not been to other parts of the world for a span of time, you may not feel it all.

BUT it's also true that we've wasted time and money in 'fighting' the problem because we're doing it all wrong. Or possibly, it's too late to do anything about it. The problem is not money but the people who got the money and has kept the masses in the dark.

I think it's time now if they even care for their own survival for the future to step out and tell the truth on how and they kept the masses stupid and oblivious to anything but their own. We'll forgive them

After viewing "An Inconvenient Truth", I later found a couple of documentaries on what I now call the Global Warming "scandal".

Search the torrents for the following movie/documentaries:
"The Great Global Warming Swindle"
"Global Warming or Global Governance"

Both make great points with REAL science. There are former and current IPCC scientists in both movies. The second one listed goes deeper into the conspiracy behind it and even covers what REALLY could happen if carbon dioxide was to go up...more plant growth, faster plant growth.

You will learn what the IPCC is. Who actually writes the IPCC reports (it is not the scientists). You will learn that even though there are many scientists in the IPCC, they are members in name only and do not contribute to the "science" nor the reports. You will learn what gases are included in the term "greenhouse gases" and the actual percentage of each gas involved. You will meet a biologist that experiments with vegetables and fruits in a high carbon dioxide environment.

I am an American currently living in the Philippines. The Philippins is essentially one of the developing countries of the world. In some areas (Manila metro area), it is very modern. In most areas of the country, it is like a 3rd world country. The rivers are filty and look like garbage dumps, the electric grid is terrible, the water is not safe to drink, in many areas, the sewage system is nonexistent.

Pollution and the rape of the world's resources is a serious problem in most areas of the world. If I had my way, I would ban disposable diapers and paper towels. What happened to the "paperless society" that was talked about 10+ years ago with the computer invasion. Most companies are using more paper today then they did before the computer. The last time I was in the USA, I get more paper (mostly advertisements) in my mail box then I did before the computer. Last I heard, two of the fastest growing big cities in America was Las Vegas and Phoenix; both in the desert which requires even more diverting of the waters of the rivers. Not to mention that most of Southern California WAS desert.

What happened to the electric car? Solar Energy? Why do the European countries (especially France) utilize so much nuclear power? In 1979, I knew a guy that got 115 MilesPerGallon (MPG) with a modified V8 engine and I also heard of a guy in Florida that did the same thing.

Also look for a documentary called "Who Killed the Electric Car?". Excellent and fair...essentially blames everyone.

Ehm, I was thinking I will make a separate thread with this question, but I will first try to get some answers here...which would be nice n'all.

So What if There isn't Global Warming?
What is the so called swindle? What is being "swindeled"?
What is the scam?
What harm could it do to stop using fossile fuels?
What is wrong with stopping the pollution? Burning coal and oil does alot more damage than just CO2 emissions.
What is wrong with abandoning the wreckless behaviour towards our planet?

So to all of you who think that the whole GW-deal is a scam, hoax, swindle or whatever: what is the big issue? What is your fear? What could these policies harm, what does it threaten?
Personally, I can't see any reason, what so ever not to stop the pollution and move away from this dead-end that fossile fuel-addiction brings.

If GW is not real, why can't we just pretend that it is real, just to prevent it from ever becoming anything?

I think the denial of GW is mostly consistant of a) fear b) the need to be dissident just for the hell of it c) incompetence.

Many questions here, so you see why I wanted to start a thread...
If this post remains unaswered, I will do it.

Pz.

Originally posted by Raud
Ehm, I was thinking I will make a separate thread with this question, but I will first try to get some answers here...which would be nice n'all.

So What if There isn't Global Warming?
What is the so called swindle? What is being "swindeled"?
What is the scam?
What harm could it do to stop using fossile fuels?
What is wrong with stopping the pollution? Burning coal and oil does alot more damage than just CO2 emissions.
What is wrong with abandoning the wreckless behaviour towards our planet?

So to all of you who think that the whole GW-deal is a scam, hoax, swindle or whatever: what is the big issue? What is your fear? What could these policies harm, what does it threaten?
Personally, I can't see any reason, what so ever not to stop the pollution and move away from this dead-end that fossile fuel-addiction brings.

If GW is not real, why can't we just pretend that it is real, just to prevent it from ever becoming anything?

I think the denial of GW is mostly consistant of a) fear b) the need to be dissident just for the hell of it c) incompetence.

Many questions here, so you see why I wanted to start a thread...
If this post remains unaswered, I will do it.

Pz.

well..aside from the point that the truth is important...the scam is the coming carbon tax...maybe in the future we will travel restrictions...the poor countries are being kept poor...kids are being or ae going to be told to spy on their parents under the guise of preventing global warming....

theres scams all over regarding global warming...

Originally posted by alienesque
well..aside from the point that the truth is important...the scam is the coming carbon tax...maybe in the future we will travel restrictions...the poor countries are being kept poor...kids are being or ae going to be told to spy on their parents under the guise of preventing global warming....

theres scams all over regarding global warming...

Eh, what???

Let's tax the hell out of it. It will make us change focus and develop better, cleaner and most of all cheaper energy (at least in the long run). What can we possible lose from doing that? What grinds the gears are cheap, greedy people afraid of change. Just as always. It is my planet too you know!

The other factors you mentioned makes no sense at all. It sounds more like the worst case of ill-directed paranoia I have ever heard.

It is not communism we are talking about here. Get out from under whatever stone you are hiding beneath.

Poor countries are being kept poor for other reasons.

Originally posted by Raud

Originally posted by alienesque
well..aside from the point that the truth is important...the scam is the coming carbon tax...maybe in the future we will travel restrictions...the poor countries are being kept poor...kids are being or ae going to be told to spy on their parents under the guise of preventing global warming....

theres scams all over regarding global warming...

Eh, what???

Let's tax the hell out of it. It will make us change focus and develop better, cleaner and most of all cheaper energy (at least in the long run). What can we possible lose from doing that? What grinds the gears are cheap, greedy people afraid of change. Just as always. It is my planet too you know!

The other factors you mentioned makes no sense at all. It sounds more like the worst case of ill-directed paranoia I have ever heard.

It is not communism we are talking about here. Get out from under whatever stone you are hiding beneath.

Poor countries are being kept poor for other reasons.

so governments lying is ok?

odd...

'Poor countries are being kept poor for other reasons.'

that doesnt make sense...poor countries are being kept poor party BY the threat of global warming...not BECAUSE of it..

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Originally posted by alienesque
so governments lying is ok?

odd...

'Poor countries are being kept poor for other reasons.'

that doesnt make sense...poor countries are being kept poor party BY the threat of global warming...not BECAUSE of it..

Lying governments are never ok. But first we need to see if there is a lie here or not. I see pictures of melting polar ice. I see melting glaciers in South America and in the Far East. I see entire nations in Micronesia succumbing to rising water levels. Can't you see that?

So you say that poverty did not exist prior to the GW-debate? And how would you develop the idea that the GW "scam" is causing poverty? It is not due to that GW causes misgrowth in crops? Because of more rain falling in places where those periods are heavier and vice-versa?

You posts are to little use, if any at all. None of my questions answered.

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Carbon Trading that's what really stinks when you know that JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and their mates can't wait to get rich on this one. Obama's biggest backers... This is Al Gore's dream to trade carbon credits....

Originally posted by Raud

Originally posted by alienesque
so governments lying is ok?

odd...

'Poor countries are being kept poor for other reasons.'

that doesnt make sense...poor countries are being kept poor party BY the threat of global warming...not BECAUSE of it..

Lying governments are never ok. But first we need to see if there is a lie here or not. I see pictures of melting polar ice. I see melting glaciers in South America and in the Far East. I see entire nations in Micronesia succumbing to rising water levels. Can't you see that?

So you say that poverty did not exist prior to the GW-debate? And how would you develop the idea that the GW "scam" is causing poverty? It is not due to that GW causes misgrowth in crops? Because of more rain falling in places where those periods are heavier and vice-versa?

You posts are to little use, if any at all. None of my questions answered.

of course i see those things..i also see the south polar ice caps at record levels..and glaciers all over the world growing....we only however get to hear of the shrinking ones..

i NEVER said GW is causing poverty.. i said it can be used..and will be used..to help KEEP the poor poor...

the weather changes..it always has done...never heard of the ice age?..or the Medieval Warm Period?

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Not that this reply gave me any useful information what so ever, but it did strengthen my ideas about the "GW-is-a-scam:ers"...

I must agree though that these "emission rights", I don't know the correct terms in english, is a blow into thin air. First of all, they are way too cheap so companies can pollute as much as they use to, and the ones who reach their goals can give to others, forming a kind of pollution cartel.

To stop this fossile-thinking, we need to act hard, brutal even. This obsolete system of energy needs to be ridden of just like a drug addict needs his syringe removed and destroyed. There is no easy way out.

So you claim that the entire deal with GW is so that the people you mentioned can put the money in their own pocket? Make perfect sense. Not.

Man! Do I have to wait until night before I can get a sensible debate happening here? Geeez...

reply to post by alienesque


So with that said you justify that we stick to oil, gas and coal for all eternity because there is nothing bad with that? There is no senseible threat to the enviroment at all?

Yes, I know about ice-ages. I know my homelands will be covered in it. If the climate stays in its normal rotation that is.
Yes, I know about the warmer periods happing every now and then on the planet, but this time it might be very different.

But what I think about GW is not the thing here. I want to know why some sorry individuals fear with the whole debate. Are you anti-development? Can't you see that alternative energy sources would cut costs? Just look at regular gasoline for your car: how much do you spend on that? What if we could get rid of it? Replace it with something clean, cheap, hell, even free fuel? What is the issue?

And cut it with the talk about poor nations being kept poor. It has no valid point in the discussion at all.

Originally posted by ahnggk
It exists and it's REAL, if you've not been to other parts of the world for a span of time, you may not feel it all.

BUT it's also true that we've wasted time and money in 'fighting' the problem because we're doing it all wrong. Or possibly, it's too late to do anything about it. The problem is not money but the people who got the money and has kept the masses in the dark.

Whether its warming or cooling, man did not cause it.

We should focus on the things we have caused like polluted water ways and denudation of earth or excess nutrient runoff. These are serious and people can fix them.

The real point of the piece is that IPCC and GW advocates are wrong on two counts: Cause and effect.

Man did not cause the alleged GW, and the measured effect is actually global cooling.

Originally posted by Raud
reply to post by alienesque

 

So with that said you justify that we stick to oil, gas and coal for all eternity because there is nothing bad with that? There is no senseible threat to the enviroment at all?

I want to know why some sorry individuals fear with the whole debate. Are you anti-development? Can't you see that alternative energy sources would cut costs? Just look at regular gasoline for your car: how much do you spend on that? What if we could get rid of it? Replace it with something clean, cheap, hell, even free fuel? What is the issue?

at all.

Here's the story in a "nutshell,' as Yanquis say.

GW advocates claim man's contribution of CO2 is causing the climate to warm.

GW advocates seek to remedy this by enacting a "carbon tax" system that allows people to trade "credits" like stocks and krona depending on their use.

Governments and NGOs are spending billions of US$$ equivalent to study ways to limit or remediate the presence of CO2 in the air.

1. Man's contribution of CO2 does not increase climate change, up or down--this is a fact established by measuring instruments (not people) in place around the world and throughout the oceans.

Therefore, the money spent by Govt. and NGOs would be better spent minimizing fossil use by exploring solar, wind, geothermal, and alternative fuel/energy sources. Every dollar spent on CO2 (wasted) is a dollar not spent on alternatives.

2. The "carbon tax" will adversely affect small farms and businesses. Many American farmers are unable to make much profit as things are. Additional taxes will do 2 things: increase prices and bankrupt those who can't.

3. It makes no sense and is counterproductive to tax something that is unrelated to the supposedGW problem.

Originally posted by Raud
reply to post by Nineteen

 

Not that this reply gave me any useful information what so ever, but it did strengthen my ideas about the "GW-is-a-scam:ers"...

I must agree though that these "emission rights", I don't know the correct terms in english, is a blow into thin air. First of all, they are way too cheap so companies can pollute as much as they use to, and the ones who reach their goals can give to others, forming a kind of pollution cartel.

To stop this fossile-thinking, we need to act hard, brutal even. This obsolete system of energy needs to be ridden of just like a drug addict needs his syringe removed and destroyed. There is no easy way out.

So you claim that the entire deal with GW is so that the people you mentioned can put the money in their own pocket? Make perfect sense. Not.

Man! Do I have to wait until night before I can get a sensible debate happening here? Geeez...

im not sure what your trying to do here....

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Now, that's more like it!
Glad you came back in so that we can discuss this with a little class.

I read your claims and I will rethink all this before posting my real reply.

Thank you for some sensible input.

Will be back with more later.

Pz.

I'm pretty sure one of the long term agendas of the "Global Warming" movement is to tax people for the air they breath. The Al Gore electrostatic towers for example. Assorted rationals for why people must eventually pay to breath air. This really translates into life time slavery like property taxes and the like.

Originally posted by ReelView
I'm pretty sure one of the long term agendas of the "Global Warming" movement is to tax people for the air they breath. The Al Gore electrostatic towers for example. Assorted rationals for why people must eventually pay to breath air. This really translates into life time slavery like property taxes and the like.

Well, we need water to live just like air. But in the UK we pay through the roof of water taxes and bills. If you don't/can't pay they come to cut your water supply.

WTF.

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So if global warming isn't real, why did the north pole break up over the summer?