UN Blowback: More Than 650 Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Anyone who would believe a politician such as Gore on a matter such as this clearly doesn't understand the first thing about politics.

Politicians lie for a living. Al Gore is no exception. He only got involved when he realized the millions he could make out of his film, touring the lecture circuit talking about his film, and by being hired by governments such as the UK to advise on Global Warming.

I have to agree with you 100% on this.

Has anyone here heard of a company called "Camco"?

Camco:

What we do

Camco is a leading carbon asset developer with one of the world’s largest carbon credit portfolios. We generate carbon credits by partnering with companies to identify, co-develop and manage CDM, JI and voluntary projects that reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Camco then arranges the sale and delivery of carbon credits to international compliance buyers and into the voluntary market

Camco

The second major shareholder of Camco is a company called "Generation Investment Management Llp". A company who Al Gore just happens to be chairman of.

Generation Investment Management Team

The "honorable" Al Gore..

pfftt.. what a joke.

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so they're basically admitting their findings were for sale? how do we know someone else isn't paying them to say the opposite now?

Because Dr A. Robinson works for himself and no one else. He has been pointing out that "the King has no clothes" on a variety of subjects for over thirty years. Global Warming is only one of the "scientific" truths he has cried foul on.

Checkout Access to Energy

Originally posted by Unknown Truth

The second major shareholder of Camco is a company called "Generation Investment Management Llp". A company who Al Gore just happens to be chairman of.

Generation Investment Management Team

The "honorable" Al Gore..

pfftt.. what a joke.

this just underscores what thieves Gore et al are and what a farce GW truly is. I just sent an email to this effect to the Co.

Thanks for the update and info. What tripe!

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Boy, do I feel sheepish..

I should have read more in to Generation Managements site...

Former Vice President Al Gore is co-founder and Chairman of Generation Investment Management and also a co-founder and Chairman of Current TV. He is a member of the Board of Directors of Apple Computer, Inc. and a Senior Advisor to Google, Inc.

Google. Now there's a "whole 'nother can of worms".. lol

I had no idea about him and a relationship with Google.

seeing as each side of the arguement has its graphs and charts and each claim the opposite this thread could go on as long as the scams that we are discussing , I do believe we should respect the planet and curb waste and emissions harmful to the mother earth , also get our oil and coal based energy brought down , we have the technology and abilities to use alternative sources, but the powers that be would lose money . Everytime someone comes up with a workable alternative it passes into the background under patent laws and lack of funding for implementation or just plain having the people or persons who are working it Reassigned or disappeared or just plain laughed at . Again it boils down to the powers that be . They dont care , the corporations and Oil barons dont want to lose a penny so they pay to get patents and grants restricted or removed.
Only thing to really trust in is the fact that mother earth is a mother and will do what she will to survive so we need to watch our backs or the next extinction will be us due to the Greed of the powerful. Sorry will step off my soapbox now.

It would appear that ONE of the scientists, Mark Paquette, named in this "dissent" is not a global warming denier at all. Brett Anderson of Accuweather posts Mark Paquette's blog entry in his blog today:

"However, and this may surprise some of you, I am not really a "man-made global warming dissenter". In matter of fact, I am a big believer in man-made global warming."

Link: global-warming.accuweather.com...

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Mark is a shill. When can we have dinner and really discuss this?

Deny Ignorance!

jw

Well it was -26°c here the other week, so much for global warming.

What people forget is that we are still coming out of an ice age, the ice is slowly melting and the earth is getting warmer. Animal farts cause more damage to the atmosphere than cars and factories, not to mention what Volcanoes do when they erupt.

The facts actually show that in some areas its getting warmer and in others its getting colder.

Some of you need to get your facts straight.

It's called GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE, not just Global Warming.
en.wikipedia.org...

Global Warming and Global Cooling will fight against each other, and in the long run, the warmth will win.

I keep seeing blind ignorance, and people trying to discredit "Global Warming" by showing that its getting really cold. Getting cold is part of the entire "Global Climate Change" theory. This is because green house gases will warm some areas, and that warmth will cause other areas to get super cold. The extreme hot and cold areas of the Earth will be moving all over the place, causing extreme changes to areas that are sensitive to hot and cold, like the ice caps of Earth.

Once the ice caps melt, the white colored ice can no longer reflect the light away from the water. Then light and heat warms the ocean water, and melts the ice even more. This is why warmth will win the battle in the long run, there are other reasons too.


It's the science of heat, and light, and color. It's predictable, and if you don't believe it is true you might need to do some more studying about basic science.





[edit on 24-1-2009 by ALLis0NE]

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by stikkinikki

 

Mark is a shill. When can we have dinner and really discuss this?

Deny Ignorance!

jw

MARK was named in the report as one of the 650. Please read before asking me to dinner. I like fish.

Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Some of you need to get your facts straight.

It's called GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE, not just Global Warming.
en.wikipedia.org...

Global Warming and Global Cooling will fight against each other, and in the long run, the warmth will win.

Not necessarily. We know we are on a steep incline on the way up but what goes up must come down and it has yet to be played out which will predominate over the next 1,000 years. We will be dead of course so for the next hundred years we are still looking at a global warming trend. Additionally the big concern is RAPID climate change. We have been experiencing a rapid warming trend but that could turn around into a rapid cooling trend and send us into another ice age. It's all about feedbacks.

Wow! 650? That sounds like a lot!

CharlesMartel ----- Bravo !

Good point, and there is much more historic data available that clearly shows the shortcomings of current GW theory.

Also, maybe I missed a similar posting ----but many of us GW skeptics of are very Green citizens. Truth is we'd rather spend our dollars on proven resources and technologies than rely on the UN or AG.

Originally posted by stikkinikki
We have been experiencing a rapid warming trend but that could turn around into a rapid cooling trend and send us into another ice age. It's all about feedbacks.

"What goes up, must come down", is only true for gravity. Not temperature.

You all have to understand that outer space is super cold. You will turn to ice instantly in the dark of space. However, we are close to the Sun. With zero protection, the Sun will burn you instantly. It is extreme hot, and extreme cold.

Earth has a system that keeps it from getting too hot, or too cold, and usually equalizes, but if the Earth gets too hot at any point, pressure differences in the air pressure could destroy certain elements that we need to survive, and it wont be able to equalize back to normal.

ALL important life needs water to survive, and if the pressure of our air changes drastically, all our water could evaporate, and we will never see it again. Water needs to be at a certain pressure for it to be "liquid".
www.lsbu.ac.uk...

www.stormsurf.com...

Why is temperature important? Because hot air is less dense than cold air, and when hot and cold air collide, the hot air is forced to rise over the colder air. Cold air typically is dryer than warm air and originates from our planet's poles. Warm air comes from the tropics/equator. Whenever cold dry air moves away from the poles, it eventually encounters warm wet air moving away from the equator. The warm wet air is forced up and over the cold air. When the warm air is forced up, it causes surface air pressure to drop, sort of like having a small vacuum develop at the earth's surface at the boundary between the two air masses. Cold air rushes in to fill the area of lower air pressure, which causes more warm air to be displaced upward, and more cold air moves in, forcing more warm air upward, and a cycle starts to develop. Also, factor-in that the earth rotates from west to east, dragging the atmosphere with it. The low-pressure area (also known as a low pressure center or system) starts to rotate, and all this moving air creates wind, and lots of it. In the north hemisphere, wind rotates counter-clockwise around a storm center, and clockwise in the south hemisphere (this driven by the Coriolis effect).

So a storm forms in response to an extreme difference in air pressure, driven by the movement of cold and warm air. Eventually either the cold or warm air dissipates, and equilibrium becomes re-established and calm, less-windy weather prevails.

Pressure is what it is all about, not so much temperature.


There are a million things that can go wrong with our pollution. Right now we are already seeing the start of it, extreme weather changes hot, and cold. If it gets too hot in a certain area, it could stay that way, and not rebound back. It's not true for the reverse, if it gets too cold, it can always rebound back, but once it gets too hot, its going to be hell to get it back to normal.



[edit on 24-1-2009 by ALLis0NE]

Originally posted by stikkinikki
It would appear that ONE of the scientists, Mark Paquette, named in this "dissent" is not a global warming denier at all. Brett Anderson of Accuweather posts Mark Paquette's blog entry in his blog today ... .

I read his blog. Paquette reveals his ignorance quite clearly. Too bad "the 650" allowed him to add his name to the list. ( He doesn't claim he was forced to, or it was a forgery, in his blog)

All he does is ask questions: "What could it be ...?" "How can we not say ... ?" Et c., et c., ad naseum. That is not science. As one of Anderson's correspondents noted:
"How sad it is to have an 'expert' admit that he does not even understand the theory."

Paquette, it turns out, has no opinions of his own!

How sad, indeed.

Deny ignorants. (I'll see if the mods will let me re-title this to "649 ... .")
oh, nevermind. The numbers grow daily anyway!

(We've got great fresh- and salt-water fishing in Texas, regardless of the temperature)
jw

Originally posted by Marmota monax
CharlesMartel ----- Bravo !
... many of us GW skeptics of are very Green citizens. Truth is we'd rather spend our dollars on proven resources and technologies than rely on the UN or AG.

Bravo to you too!

Historic and pre-historic evidence abounds that climate change is natural and cyclic. Man cannot change global weather.

Very true. I've noted here and elsewhere that it is precisely because I give a damn about my planet, country, state, neighborhood that I despise wasteful use of limited resources, fiscal and philosophical.

Chasing the GW ghost leads us no closer to cleaning up the problems we can attack and remedy locally.

We can do so much more by identifying and addressing real and current environmental misdeeds than wasting so much on "models" and "projections" and flat-out falsified "studies."

Star for you.

deny ignorance

jw