Barack Obama Is Qualified To Be President... Isn't He? (by Jim Marrs)

Originally posted by WinoBot
reply to post by sos37

 

Hal9000 posted a link a few posts up and i posted it a few pages ago. you may have been too busy compairing obama to serial killers and made men to see it.

I'm shaking my head in disbelief because you haven't looked at those pictures yourself. If you had, you would have clearly seen the words "Certificate of Live Birth" at the top of the certificate on display.

The photo caption says "Birth certificate" and it would be WRONG. The moron who wrote that caption clearly doesn't know how to read, either.
Here, I'll even post the link to the damn picture from Hal9000's link myself:

www.factcheck.org...

I ask again - post a link to the BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

[edit on 10-12-2008 by sos37]

Originally posted by sos37
I'd love for you to link a picture of his birth certificate, if you would. Not his Certificate of Live Birth, but his birth certificate.

After all this time you spend posting on these threads, you still haven’t figured it out, have you?

When you request a Certificate of your birth records you get a COLB, or COB, or some other name, depending on the State. BH’s thread talks about this at length with examples people gave of their own certificates.

Original birth certificates are confidential and are held by each State. They are vital records and each state has legislation that rules their security and management.

Here’s Hawaii’s legislation.

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In reference to the artical below dated December 12, 2008
Barack Obama Is Qualified To Be President?


Barrack Obama's non supporters, who view his U.S. elgibility citizenship with skepticism, are only trying to create a paranoia within the circles of non-worldly understanding Americans through ignorance and fear of loosing their material wealth and money. This KKK mentality is directly related to an individuals inability, like most Americans, to perceive and understand a mindset, set apart from most mainstream Americans who obsess over television, material goods and money. These people cannot comprehend people associating with people from diffeent parts of the world! This is a very selfish paranoia in a non-community capitolistic American society.

Name Unkown

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One currency, one government? Maybe I have not been paying attention but this is not the situation now. I think there is not nothing new about any world order, it is all about power.

Taking their time since the twenties you say ? That is indeed some time.

The Irak thing was imo to get to the huge bubble of oil that people think there is and to send all sorts of contractors that work in Irak and are paid by US tax dollars (unless I haven't understood that correctly). I do not think the US started the War on Terror to kick off a NWO, just old plain greed. Though I have not the figures, I bet that very little is spend on the war in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by danx

Originally posted by sos37
I'd love for you to link a picture of his birth certificate, if you would. Not his Certificate of Live Birth, but his birth certificate.

After all this time you spend posting on these threads, you still haven’t figured it out, have you?

When you request a Certificate of your birth records you get a COLB, or COB, or some other name, depending on the State. BH’s thread talks about this at length with examples people gave of their own certificates.

Original birth certificates are confidential and are held by each State. They are vital records and each state has legislation that rules their security and management.

Here’s Hawaii’s legislation.

Yes, I understand that. But here is what YOU aren't understanding - there is a FORENSICS EXPERT who has examined those pictures of the COLB produced and concluded that they were fakes.

Clearly someone is lying, which is why the issue warrants further investigation!

[edit on 10-12-2008 by sos37]

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last time i checked these were pretty much the same document, my "birth certificate" says the same thing at the top of it as well.

Obama isn't going to take the time out of trying to fix the country to appease a minority of knuckle heads who can't accept truth.

later gator!

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Originally posted by sos37
Yes, I understand that. But here is what YOU aren't understanding - there is a FORENSICS EXPERT who has examined those pictures of the COLB produced and said that they were fakes.

A “forensics expert” that appears on a Youtube video with his face pixelated? That “forensics expert”?

And these are the same people that are requesting that Obama’s most confidential records be released? People that can’t show their faces to put their credibility on the line for their claims?

If you all think the reason behind questioning Obama’s eligibility is to uphold the Constitution and only that, why would this person, who in theory would be doing the country a favor, doesn’t show his face?

Originally posted by NGC2736
It seems that if I know a person or group is bringing a lawsuit against me, I have two choices, I can fight the suit, or show where it's a non issue. He chose to fight.

He didn’t fought anything as the lawsuits were all dismissed by the Judges. He would have to fight them once they were accepted by a Court, which hasn’t happened (yet).



[edit on 10-12-2008 by danx]

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Originally posted by WinoBot
reply to post by sos37

 

last time i checked these were pretty much the same document, my "birth certificate" says the same thing at the top of it as well.

Obama isn't going to take the time out of trying to fix the country to appease a minority of knuckle heads who can't accept truth.

later gator!

Got news for you then, chief, it's not your birth certificate. DUH!

There's a big difference between the two. If the two documents were the same, then why bother having two documents with two different names and not just a certified copy of the birth certificate?

A COLB is typically issued by the hospital confirming that a child was born. A Birth Certificate is issued by the state capital or city hall after the COLB has been registered.

The issue here is Obama's COLB looks way different from an actual COLB from the period, as shown here:

www.peoplespassions.org...

Now, what rights of the American people am I ignoring again?

Originally posted by sos37
The very same rights that you claim are being ignored by demanding Obama provide sufficient documentation proving where he was born,

I'm ignoring the American people's right to privacy? You're demanding proof that his papers are in order and I'm the one ignoring someone's rights?

other than the documentation that he has already provided.

Of course... Other than that which he's ALREADY provided.

Originally posted by NGC2736
The answer is not so much that I personally have a problem with the evidence so far provided. It is that a growing number of Americans from all walks of life have a problem with it.

Not trying to be snippy, but what indication do you have that this number is growing? I think it's the same people who have always wanted him not to be elected.

Basically, most feel his addressing of this issue was too skimpy. And therein lies the fault.

I'm not even sure what that means. What would be "beefy" enough for them?

I think the idea that this issue has reached some level of critical mass where something must be done is a matter of perception. The only place I hear about it in anything other than a joking manner is right here on ATS and the right-wing blogs.

I understand what you're saying. And I disagree.

"here's the short form, and I'll spend a lot of time and effort to never answer further." does a disservice to the Presidency and any moral authority of the Government.

You have apparently "bought" the story that Obama has spent a lot of money on this... I have seen no evidence of that.

In short, I think this is a copy of his birth record. But because it appears to a great many reasonable people that this abbreviated information is tainted, then for the well being of our form of government, and for the confidence of the people, then he needs to take this "proof" to the next level.

And when he takes it to the next level, by contacting the Hawaiian Health Department and asking for a certified copy of his original vault certificate and he then posts a picture of that on the internet and people start to say it's a fake and more and more people do an analysis and find fault with it and come to the conclusion that it's "another" fake and demand he go to the next level?

Anything less smacks of dishonesty and possibly the unlawful abrogation of his responsibility when seeking and attaining the highest office in our nation.

So, you think he's shown valid proof of his birth record, yet because his staunchest critics don't believe it's valid, you think he's being dishonest and unlawful? Okay. I just find that very confusing and difficult to understand.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by NGC2736
And I see it as evading. If a cop turns on his lights and I speed up and turn off into a side street, I'm evading. If there's a problem with a candidates eligibility, then if he doesn't make a reasonable effort, and not some half hearted attempt, then he is being evasive.

Being evasive raises red flags to cops and American voters alike.

So what you’re saying is that if someone sued you accusing you of something you hadn’t done you would ask the Court to hear the case so you could defend yourself?

Well, that is not even a possibility anyway. A case is presented to a Court, if it doesn’t have any merit or standing, how is that the fault or responsibility of the defendant?

The defendant only ‘fights’ the case when he’s being judged! Until the Court accepts a lawsuit, no one’s being (legally) judged.

edit: typo

[edit on 10-12-2008 by danx]

Originally posted by NGC2736
reply to post by danx

 

And I see it as evading. If a cop turns on his lights and I speed up and turn off into a side street, I'm evading.

And if someone is shooting at you on the highway and then leans out the window and says "pull-over I have a legitimate honest question to ask you, no honestly pull-over"...what would you do then?

Evading? C'mon. Are you likening Corsi, Berg and crew to Law Enforcement?

Obama is not evading, he is ignoring and rightly so.
Who would play fetch with rabid dogs?

Originally posted by danx

Originally posted by NGC2736
It seems that if I know a person or group is bringing a lawsuit against me, I have two choices, I can fight the suit, or show where it's a non issue. He chose to fight.

He didn’t fought anything as the lawsuits were all dismissed by the Judges. He would have to fight them once they were accepted by a Court, which hasn’t happened (yet).

Well Danx I have to say you argue tremendously well.

HE didn't fight but he had Chiyome Fukino, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health, throw down a barrier to protect him from fighting and without HIS request so it looks even MORE like Obama doesn't even know this is happening.

This is surely politics at it's best.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by Rollinster]

Originally posted by danx

Originally posted by NGC2736
It seems that if I know a person or group is bringing a lawsuit against me, I have two choices, I can fight the suit, or show where it's a non issue. He chose to fight.

He didn’t fought anything as the lawsuits were all dismissed by the Judges. He would have to fight them once they were accepted by a Court, which hasn’t happened (yet).

[edit on 10-12-2008 by danx]

And as pointed out in Marrs' article, they weren't dismissed on evidence, the judges ruled that the Plaintiffs had no standing to sue Obama. The one exception being the case in California, which strangely has gotten no traction since the judge ruled that the plaintiffs do have standing to sue.

Why did the presidential outcome have the same reaction as the oj simpson trial? I think it's great a minority was elected, now i see people angry that a black man won and are trying everything in their power to change it because they can't accept it. For the record i'm not black, i'm native american. In my eyes barack obama opened the door for minorites to hold office. Now it's time to see if he really is qualified. Was bush jr. qualified? I think not yet he got elected twice and plunged america into a war on terrorism enabling Al queda to recruit at record numbers. This election had the biggest turnout in generations. People were fed up with bush style presidencies and John McCain was very simliar to bush in his views, that's why he lost. So in your opinion McCain should have won? I'm glad he didn't.

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could it be an updated version that was printed recently? i would imagine over time the design changes.

whatever though, i'm not too worried about it. I think he's going to make a great president, Kenyan born or not. I don't think it's right to judge him because he's black.

Originally posted by sos37
And as pointed out in Marrs' article, they weren't dismissed on evidence, the judges ruled that the Plaintiffs had no standing to sue Obama. The one exception being the case in California, which strangely has gotten no traction since the judge ruled that the plaintiffs do have standing to sue.

So, what? What are you saying? Are you saying the Courts should forget about how they usually operate, and how the law operates, just to have this curiosity of yours addressed?

If a Judge finds that a case doesn’t have standing, it’s dismissed, regardless if it’s about Obama or not.