Barack Obama Is Qualified To Be President... Isn't He? (by Jim Marrs)

reply to post by QueenofWeird


Perhaps those who are in real control have an open window to future events with the eye that have seen that this man is in power at the end, so they are just following the destined line of cause and affect.

Late January/February should be really exciting, I have my lawn chair and my unopened bottle of Patron Tequila Gran Platinum ready to enjoy and go with the flow for whatever comes.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by arizonascott]

There appears to be a great divide already, between those who offer the response that the inquiry itself is offensive, or that it is superfluous, or that it is moot and those who seem to feel like the inquiry has been 'blown off' or for reasons inflammatory or otherwise, conspiratorily obfuscated.

The principles of the Constitution are considered by some as 'contrivances' or 'politically motivated' while others find them representative of flawed execution of government, and/or the sloppiness of the political machinery.

Essentially, the issue remains relevant to Americans because of the ease with which the matter 'should' have been resolved.

Regardless of the tendency for the judiciary to distance themselves from decisions regarding the electoral process and mechanism, the issue should be in some manner 'put to rest'.

There are various scenarios whereby this could become a 'non-issue'. None of them seem to satisfy all parties.

Certain elements of the community seem to indicate that they will not rest until the President-elect is disqualified, others will not rest until the matter is sealed away as verbotten, and no-one's business but Obama's.

There are those who feel the matter must be resolved constitutionally to reinforce our national commitment to the Republic, others are just as happy with the notion that the 'rules' should be flexible in accordance with the desires of the electorate (or the electoral college).

There are those who seek to resolve the matter civilly, embroiling a recalcitrant judiciary in affairs that offers them political liability.

I understand that many represented on this board have an 'end' in mind regarding the esteemed President-elect. The fact that he is well-regarded by those who participate in partisanship makes it all the more difficult to entertain the subject without falling prey to emotional baiting and such. Similarly there are those who are, in fact, shamelessly full of schadenfreude over the legitimacy question as Mr. Obama was not their candidate.

I would ask only that should the worst case scenario prove to have its foundation in reality, we carefully consider what options are to be put before us. The most important thing will be to determine who 'offers' us these options, and how the media 'sells' the plan. Therein lies the truth behind the power.

I would like also to mention that I would hope someone might be inclined to tell me whether it is true that the Obama grandmother story (him being born in Kenya) was later recanted by her. Also, who exactly is the responsible party for vetting a candidate within the Democratic Party? Finally, if Mr. Obama withheld held several aliases, as seems to be the case, why did the BAR Association not remove him from their roles, as this is a violation of the charter?

reply to post by FlyersFan


I wouldn't judge FactCheck.org based on that because, yes Obama was a member of the Annenberg Foundation, but the founder, Leonore Annenberg was a republican and endorsed McCain in the election.

On Wednesday morning, John McCain's campaign released a list of 100 former ambassadors endorsing the GOP presidential nominee.

Second on the list, though her name is misspelled, is Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman of the Annenberg Foundation and widow of ambassador and philanthropist Walter Annenberg. Ms. Annenberg was herself the "chief of protocol" at the State Department under President Reagan.

McCain Trumpets Endorsement From Figure Of Foundation That Established Ayers Board

reply to post by arizonascott



You mean the mysterious NWO ? Suppose that kind of conspiracy thinking is right, then it is very very ironic that they have chosen a black man for this "honor" . Finally America shows us that indeed it is the land of golden opportunities for everybody (even "minorities") and then use this man? I myself don't think there are dark forces at work. I think that either it is true and Obama has deluded himself into thinking everything is just okidoki or else he is a natural born citizen but his pride refuses to produce the certificate. The last case scenario I find strange. OK so you feel offended, big deal. As a president sending people to war zones or even starting wars you will sentence a lot of people (US and non) to die or suffer terribly, but you can't stomach your own pride?

reply to post by NGC2736


All I can say is rent the movie "The Contender".

It is about the first Woman up for appointment as VP in th US and the resulting controversy. Eventually photographs turn up complete with frat boys claiming to have photographed her in a "compromising positions" during college. A firestorm results...all the while she refuses to answer questions about the photographs. In the end..after a hard fought confirmation hearing..

she gets nominated to VP and in a personal discussion with the Pres. he asks...he has to know...was it her in the photographs?

She says "no" and that she has a large birthmark that would have easily proven the same.

"Why on earth didn't you say that then!"?? he asks.

(I am paraphrasing from memory here...)

"Because by answering it would have meant that it was Okay for them to ask."

"Principles only mean something if you stick by them when it is inconvenient"

President Elect Obama has presented more evidence of his citizenship than any other president in history.

By continuing to offer answers to those continuing to question his status as an American citizen would be saying that the smear campaign that gave birth to this nonsense was a legitimate line of inquirey.

After the vault copy of his COB, will he spend some time answering those that think he is a muslim?..and then those that think he is a terrorist ?...at what point is it enough?

I hope he never asks the Hawaii Gov. to turn over the Vault copy.
He will do so if a court asks him too, he is a believer in democracy and law, but beyond that..he deserves to maintain his honor.

I am in the minority here, even in my own camp, but that is my opinion.

reply to post by Helmkat

The question has been asked, mentioned, brought up, and even been thrown in a few faces:

WHEN IS ENOUGH GOING TO BE ENOUGH?

When he produces the vault copy.

That's when I say.

Don't go telling me what you think I think will be enough. Just go wait for your next instructions to blindly follow.

So has anyone actually gone to FactCheck.org to see what they say about Obama's COLB?

As far as the online image being fake, they went to Chicago where the Obama campaign headquarters where they have the original that was scanned.

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

You can see the original COLB in high resolution and you will see it matches the scanned image.

You will also read that it contains all the necessary information for any "reasonable" use to show citizenship including getting a passport.

I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I think everything that can be done to show Obama is a citizen of the USA has been done.

What would it take? Obama calling a news conference to address this? Would he have to wave the certificate in front of a camera? Would he then be accused of grandstanding? Would it be said there are more important issues to address at this time?

You just can't please everyone.

Originally posted by NGC2736
So far, Mr. Obama has shown one form of ID, and now gone to great effort to show no more. His position appears to be unreasonable.

NGC,
I must, respectfully, ask you: What “great efforts” has Obama gone through to not show any more identification?

If you are speaking about the lawsuits, isn’t it obvious and a standard procedure that your lawyer(s) ask to dismiss a case against you when it has no merit, as I’m sure was the conclusion of Mr. Obama and his lawyer(s)?

Once the Court accepts a case and requests this information from Obama, then he has an obligation to provide them. If somehow, then, he would not comply or made up arguments to deny the Court it’s request, I would agree with you.

But as of now, what are these efforts you speak of?

reply to post by QueenofWeird


We the barbarians in the eye of the Elite have been enslaved to their foreign World banking debt program and federal thieving for years.

No one has ever stood up to these illegal situations due to enforcement intimidation and because they put a Government stamp on these criminal actions.

They have been planning this take-over since the early 1920's and have taken their time. We are in the final phase of the creation of the -yes- "New World Order" and with the never ending excuse of "terror" they will have their way. At this point it doesn't matter who takes office because that well speaking elected young man will control nothing and change even less!

All they did was buy another 4 to 8 years to finalize and cement their total control.

The Democrats and Republicans are just the right and left arms on the same evil beast. They are only there to fool the masses. They are only there to represent different agendas.

The Republicans/Conservatives are there to give us war and strip us of more rights through security

The Democrats/Progressives are there to create enviromental taxation and to cram more human rights issues down our throats.

But they both work towards the same goals as designed by and through the Trilateral Commission, the EU, and the World Bank blood lines to set up a Global Order and blend all military complexes into a one World security force tracking everyone and everything. Through the banks, they will use this never ending manufactured debt to reduce the World population using our food and so-called-security as a weapon.

If the American people rebel, they will just stage another false flag terror attack and then say see, see what happens when you don't let us do our jobs!

Using our own security against us using fictional terrorists to control us all. God, wake up

Osama has been dead for a few years, all these videos and recordings of him at opportune times are created by the Pentagon as easily as a kid making a UFO video in photoshop.

They have admitted in their own Government documents that they are trying to set up a Global military and a Global financial base.

It is no secret, those that know the truth are speaking out, those that know but deny it are to scared to admit it is happening or they somehow think they are part of it and playing a part bigger than themselves by creating distractions and dis-info.

Since when did speaking the truth and being an American patriot get the label Domestic Terrorist?

Since when was supporting the Constitution considered anti-American?

When did the focus of terror shift from Afghanistan/Iraq to every American on Main Street?

Why does America need all the millions of cameras going up everywhere? Why do they need to tap the phones, like American teenage Jimmy talking to his Mom about politics?

Why do Americans have to be strip searched and violated through airport X-Ray screeners just to travel within their own country and go visit relatives?

So I ask again, who is this war really against because I gotta say - it looks to me like the focus is on America, not terror!

The last time I checked they said 19 Saudi Nationals and some guy in a cave attacked America. They said they would never forget.

They already have - no doubt! Everything is just deeper deception, murder and lies.

One currency, one Government! What do you call that?

They can take their bio tracking chips and shove 'em where the sun don't shine.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by arizonascott]

reply to post by Hal9000

Originally posted by NGC2736
reply to post by Helmkat

 

Another good point. But I would say that when confronted by such a request, it would be reasonable to offer more than one skimpy proof. If you went to a bank to cash a check, and the teller said, "Mr. Smith, this license seems to be damaged, do you have some other ID?" it would not be viewed as unreasonable. Now if you showed the teller your passport and SS card, all corresponding to the drivers license, and they still refused to accept your proof, it would be unreasonable of them.

So far, Mr. Obama has shown one form of ID, and now gone to great effort to show no more. His position appears to be unreasonable.

But it wasn't the Bank that asked for more I.D., it was the lady standing at the back of the line waiting to cash her Social Security check.

The Bank said it was fine and believe me I'm not showning more just because -you- think I have to.

See how this works? When a cop asks me for my I.D. I give it him, if he asks for more, I find it. If the Budwiser truck driver shows up asking for I.D., let alone more I.D. I can tell him right where to go.

Originally posted by Hal9000
the founder, Leonore Annenberg was a republican and endorsed McCain in the election.

I know that, but Obama obtained millions in earmarks for Annenberg (not the man, the group) and he was involved with them at high levels. This makes their judgement questionable - IMHO.

Originally posted by sos37

Let's pardon all the mob leaders as we know it takes an awful lot of work to run organized crime. Let's pardon the serial killers because it obviously takes a lot of planning and patience to choose good targets and evade capture at the same time.

really? talk about taking it to the extreme.

the supreme court isn't going to review this at all, because they see how retarded the whole situation is and how it is a waste of tax payers money to start a whole investigation on something so god damn stupid.

Obama is the president come Jan 20th and their isn't anything anyone can do about it, so maybe you guys should stop complaining and coming up with stupid fallacies to deter his reputation.

he's an american citizen, there are pictures of his birth certificate, hawaii claims he was born there... what more do you want? i don't think they have instant replays of people being born, at least not back in the 60's so stop pouting and accept the fact that we have a black president.

Originally posted by WinoBot

Originally posted by sos37

Let's pardon all the mob leaders as we know it takes an awful lot of work to run organized crime. Let's pardon the serial killers because it obviously takes a lot of planning and patience to choose good targets and evade capture at the same time.

really? talk about taking it to the extreme.

the supreme court isn't going to review this at all, because they see how retarded the whole situation is and how it is a waste of tax payers money to start a whole investigation on something so god damn stupid.

Obama is the president come Jan 20th and their isn't anything anyone can do about it, so maybe you guys should stop complaining and coming up with stupid fallacies to deter his reputation.

he's an american citizen, there are pictures of his birth certificate, hawaii claims he was born there... what more do you want? i don't think they have instant replays of people being born, at least not back in the 60's so stop pouting and accept the fact that we have a black president.

I'd love for you to link a picture of his birth certificate, if you would. Not his Certificate of Live Birth, but his birth certificate.

Originally posted by Hal9000
So has anyone actually gone to FactCheck.org to see what they say about Obama's COLB?

Sure.

Has anyone actually googled the Obama/Annenberg connection to see how much money in earmarks Obama obtained for them as well as the position he held with them? (hint - 3.5 million last I saw).

FactCheck also said that McCain was overstating voter fraud at ACORN.

Sorry, but Factcheck doesnt' always check it's facts.

Originally posted by kozmo
Come on, let us be genuine in our debate. The COLB furnished has been accused of being faked and tampered with. A COLB, in and of itself, proves nothing with respect to the "Natural Born" requirement put forth in Article II, Section2 of the US Constitution. Anyone, born anywhere, can receive a COLB in the state of Hawaii and many other states.

You should really read BH’s thread A Birth Certificate Study.

Even assuming your premise that a COLB could be requested by anyone including someone born outside Hawaii, the COLB only certifies that the information on it is the same as in the original birth records. For the COLB to say he was born in Hawaii, it means on his original birth records Hawaii is his place of birth.

And the reason why the Department of Health directory only mentioned that they have his birth records and not “the information on his COLB checks out” or something to that effect, is because to do so would be to consider the possibility that Obama’s COLB, that the State and she certified, had incorrect information, which probably equates to a felony.




[edit on 10-12-2008 by danx]

reply to post by sos37


Hal9000 posted a link a few posts up and i posted it a few pages ago. you may have been too busy compairing obama to serial killers and made men to see it.

reply to post by Helmkat


Yet an illegal alien can have no license, no insurance, no registration and then hit an American citizen and total their car, and the cops just let them go.

Where is the justice in America?!