Barack Obama Is Qualified To Be President... Isn't He? (by Jim Marrs)

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
She probably is more qualified, I'm just not sure where her loyalties lie.

With herself. As with all politicians.
She's definately qualified to be Secretary of State.
(I thought Richardson would have been better)
She's also qualified to be POTUS. She could do either job.
But her loyalties? As all politicians - with herself.

LOL i agree, but lets not forget Hilldogs Masters - i predict this women will be president of USA (or the NAU as it may be called) in 2012 - this might just be a way to set her up for office in a few years time. that bitch is ruthless! you can see in her cold eyes she will stop at nothing. just because Bush and the likes are in the hot seat, that does not mean they are calling the shots, far from it IMHO. shes a man in every way except the outer shell.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
Nope, it goes to Joe Biden.

Sept 11, 2008 (US World and News Report)
"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified that I am to be vice president of the United States of America - let’s get that straight.”
Wonder if he'd resign and let her have a straight shot?
He's a kind of down to earth guy. He just might.

From www.aei.org...

"The Constitution, of course, created a Vice President to step in if the presidency were vacant. But it left the question of succession beyond the Vice President up to Congress, specifying only that successors be "officers" of the United States. Three times since the Republic began--in 1792, 1886, and 1947--Congress devised succession plans.

The current system, in place for the past 57 years, puts
- the speaker of the House of Representatives
and
- the president pro tempore of the Senate
in line after the Vice President,
followed by the cabinet in order of the creation of the office.
(The sequence goes
State, Treasury, Defense, Attorney General, and onward -

(my note: the last in line being Homeland Security.)
(my note: punctuation of the list of succession is mine, for added clarity)

...Succession law changes in response to events. Today's rules were established in 1947 at the instigation of Harry Truman. When he took office upon F.D.R.'s death in 1945, the line of succession consisted of the cabinet secretaries. Truman felt vulnerable; the world was still at war, yet he had no Vice President and no way to fill that slot for nearly four years. Next in line was Secretary of State Edward Stettinius (whom Truman didn't warm to and would soon replace). Truman believed that having unelected cabinet members leading the succession was undemocratic. Within two months after assuming the presidency, he announced a push for reform. He went back to a 1792 principle of putting senior members of Congress in the succession. Because powerful Sam Rayburn was House speaker, he placed him first in line, followed by the president pro tem of the Senate and then by the cabinet."

So under the rules prior to 1947, Hillary Clinton would be vice-president if Joe Biden were to succeed to the Presidency.

The present setup, which puts the power-mad, wannabe tyrant Nancy Pelosi right after Joe Biden in line of succession is an accident of history.

Sam Rayburn, a House member so powerful that a very large lake was made and named after him last century, was Speaker of the House, whose help Truman needed in marshalling voting majorities from a Congress divided into Democrats (and by 1948. Dixiecrats) and Republicans, with no strong majority.

I think that Harry Truman was unduly optimistic that anyone who got to be Speaker of the House would be above tricks like turning out the lights to end debate early on offshore drilling (Truman, of course, would have no idea that millions of Americans would one day be watching House and Senate sessions on satellite TV until Pelosi pulled that stunt, and a few ingenious Americans would be able to watch the proceedings from that point because one rebellious Representative was broadcasting them from his camera cell phone on Twitter).

The American Enterprise Institute article I quoted from above goes on to say that Congress needs to revisit the line of succession - however, I can't think of a single Congress I'd have trusted with the job since Truman made the last set of changes go through (with the future vice-president by line of succession shepherding the bill through the House). No President's been strong enough since Reagan to revisit the line of succession and change it successfully in a way that makes sense.

I mean, Cabinet officers in order of creation of the office? What's that got to do with anything? I can't see that list meaning anything after, say, a nuclear attack on DC.

ok thats quite a read....
could just sum it up:
HE'S NOT, GET HIM OUT OF THERE!

reply to post by SaintClair


You need to clean your potty mouth/fingers up. Can you not talk with intelligence?

Three hundred million people in the United States and one man. The odds are against Obama but no one can come up with proof that his was a dual citizen. That seems kind of odd to me. I didn't vote for the man but I hope the truth does come out before the college electors vote him for President for real this Friday. Honestly, America gets what it wanted. America today would vote a Turkey into office if it stood for change.

reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com


You can be born in another country but have your birth registered at the appropriate embassy. My father was born in Cuba, but his birth was registed at the British Consulate in Havana, making him a British citizen.

Either Obama is pulling everybodys leg and not producing it just to stir something up OR he isn't eligable to be President. Either way, I think he needs to make it public, the public has a right to know..... The American people elected him right? So why is it that he won't show the people that put him in office that he is qualified? I think that shows what kind of guy he is.... Not a good one!!!!!! Why isn't the media asking him this question? The BIAS media doesn't care. Like I said in the other thread, if it was a conservative in this position there would be an UPROAR and this wouldn't be going on. I think that he should be told that if he doesn't PROVE he is a citizen of the USA that he SHOULD NOT be sworn inton office. PERIOD END OF STORY, this is @^$*)Q#%!!!!!

The website Fact Check has also seen his legit birth certificate and has some cool pictures to prove it. I typically think they have their crap together. here is the link,

Birth Certificate Proof
looks legit to me, i think people are just bitter.

Originally posted by stone7959
reply to post by Leo Strauss

 

I get irritated every time Obama supporters pull the race card. This is a question of constitutional eligibility, black, white, yellow or red. It seems that there is an overwhelming need for these people to capitalize on what I feel is "white guilt" for the past. Mr Obama should be agressively proving that he is an American citizen, and ending the controversy once and for all. It is becoming a severe DIVIDING ISSUE for the population. The longer this issue is not resolved, the stronger I will feel that there is something that needs to remain hidden. And, in the event that he is found to be ineligible, and is removed or replaced, the national implications would be staggering. Can you imagine riots such as Watts or after the verdict on Rodney Kings attackers taking place on a NATIONAL level?
This could plunge us into another conflict on the scale of the civil war.
If there is nothing to hide, show it and lets move on.
And stop with the race card already. It is worn out and getting no more sympathy from this American.

too-shay my friend

Damn Damn Damn....

As a "liberal" Obama supporter I'm absolutely horrified to read this as it clearly points out the issues with Obama's presidential claims.

I'm so glad that a second rate internet conspiracy journalist managed to expose these issues where the multi million pound political campaign waged by Mccain with the assitance of his senatorial information access privelidges, friends in high places and some of the best pilitical thinkers and lobbyists in the country werent able to spot this obvious issue.

You'd also have thought the 250 or so constitutional lawyers involved in the electorial oversight comitte and the Democratic and Republican National Offices might have spotted something awry.


Thanks Jim Marrs...

Is Obama qualified ????
Well if he isnt hes certainly more representitve of an average American than the present incumbent who was born into a privilidged family, spoon fed a Harvard Degree and then guided into a cushy senatorial role after ruining several buisnesses he was given to run.

I think that this entire thing is essentially SEDITION. you are all trying to undermine the lawfully elected POTUS.

when was the last time the US did anything lawfully? lol again hes not elected or voted in - hes chosen cos hes a good talker and easy to manipulate, and in turn good at manipulation himself, as all politicians are.

FFS, hes a lawyer isnt he? when was the last time you trusted those types?

www.politifact.com... 8/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Let's get back to the premise. The author tries to imply that Obama has not satisfactorily proven citizenship. This is patently false.(see above) Dig as deeply as you wish. The Supreme Court has declined to hear the case because they found no credibility to the argument. The Court is hardly non-partisan, it is most certainly concerned with constitutional law, and it refused to hear the case. What does this tell you?

reply to post by scottsquared

The Court is hardly non-partisan, it is most certainly concerned with constitutional law, and it refused to hear the case. What does this tell you?

Tells me that whoever filed the paperwork in the first place didn't have their ducks in a row. The SCOTUS can only review what was submitted in the lower court to view if there were errors in procedures or facts. The SCOTUS not taking a case doesn't indicate that Obama is a US citizen. That is merely your interpretation of it. There is no quote from any court as of date stating that Obama is a US citizen.

Unnecessary, you are looking for something that just isn't there. Have you bothered to read my citation or any of the others provided? Do you also still insist that Obama is Muslim? Despite hundreds of years of ancillary evidence do you still disavow the existence of Santa Claus?

reply to post by marcsnothere


So the real problem is what the outcome would be? You think there would race riots on a level never seen anywhere before? I know there would be and every rioter should be given 1 warning, then shot in the face. If they are rioting because their black man was found by law to not be a citzen and thus ineligible, too bad.

We cannot change that part of the contitution ever, it is one of the most important laws concerning whom can be president. We the people do not want a foreign leader coming here to run our government.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
If Obama isn’t a citizen then he isn’t qualified to be President, period.

However anyone who wants to protest against him while using the constitution as their defense better go out there and protest against President Bush right now. He is still our President; he is the one who has spat on our constitution for eight years. He is the war criminal. He is the one who worked with the Telecom Giants.

If you aren’t willing to protest him but will be outraged by Obama because of citizenship issues while half of his family are US citizens, including his deceased mother, then you are certainly not just motivated by the constitutional issues- so stop using that argument for your fuming shtick. I’m not buying it.

This particular thread is about Obama. If you want to argue the Constitution versus Bush, then I would encourage you to do so in another thread. Perhaps you can create one of your own.

As such, only the first sentence in your reply is valid and pertinent to this thread, thank you.

It's a shame the American peple can't stop whining and just let the bloke get on with it! America is enough # as it is, without all this moaning going on, taking up valuable media space.
Come on guy's give the man a break! He's worked bloody hard to get where he is today and no doubt his family did too. Wherever he was born, raised and watched the sunset, he is still a person. We have all nationalities in all of our countires these days, so what difference does it make?
With all the funny weather patterns and natural disasters, you the media should be working together with Obama insead of slagging him off. You have an infrestucture which needs rebuilding, jobs need creating, people need to be returning home. Global warming is affecting all of us and you should be taking the lead in all this, not arguing amonst yourselves! Your doing exactly what you tell other countires off for doing!
Stop trying to find fault in Obama and start to support him, because this is probrobly your last chance. At the end of the day if a civil war don't get you global warming will! One thing i do you know. That man has worked hard for what he believes in. He has worked hard academically and now it's his chance to shine! He is the most sincere man you will ever see in your lifetime and as President you should be very proud he want's to admit being an American citizen, born and bred! Not after having all those things said against him. Infact i wouldn't want Hilary in my camp and yet he gave her a job. She was in favour off the invasion of Iraq. (bad intellegence of course!) Anyone with a bit of savvy knew it was all a con. Anyway good luck USA!


[edit on 10-12-2008 by happinness]

There's no need for me to go over all my thoughts on this issue as I have been involved in most of the Obama eligibility threads and have made my views quite clear. But I do have a few things to say. Big surprise...

danx, I agree with everything you said in this post, except for this:

Originally posted by danx
I have no doubt the majority of people would be satisfied with the Supreme Court examining it...

I have doubt. I have a BIG doubt. Look at how many people are already saying that the Supreme Court denied the Donofrio case because they just don't want to get involved in another 'hanging chad' situation or they are just chicken, or they're in on the conspiracy or they don't have all the information. So I doubt people would take the word of the Supreme Court because they already think they are "lying" about something.

The truth is that Obama is a very powerful and influential person right now. If he wanted a COMPLETE forgery of a "vault copy" of a birth Certificate, he could get it. Within hours. And it would be done by the best in the world and not even a "forensic specialist" (like "Dr." Polarik ) would be able to tell the difference. You can bet that the Supreme Court isn't going to be able to "verify" his birth certificate, even if they held it in their hands. (It's AMAZING how many people are so gullible and hopeful to believe that an "expert forensic specialist" would even DARE to claim a document as "fake" BY LOOKING AT A .jpeg! Seriously, no "expert" worth a DIME would make a judgment on a document without ever having held it in their hands... Think about that, Polarik believers...)

And then there's the matter of the fact that the cases going to the SC accept and acknowledge that Obama was born in Hawaii! Providing his birth certificate isn't going to change that.

People who want these cases to go to the SC either don't know or care about the facts of the cases, they're just after some drama OR they don't care WHAT Obama gets tripped up on, they just want to cause him some trouble. They just want to trip him up and do everything to prevent him from becoming president. As David Horowitz said, it's not patriotism, it's "sore-loserism".

All these people who are saying, "Why doesn't he just show it"? I want to ask them, "Why don't you just register your guns? What's the problem with a waiting period? What do you need an assault rifle for? Why do you need more than one gun"? Obama has rights here. And his rights must be respected, JUST LIKE YOURS. The double standard is pretty sickening.

One final thing. On my original copy of my vault certificate, there is a space for "Informant". The name in that space in my mother's. SHE told them what to put in all the little boxes. She lied about something on my BC and they filled it in. My point is, she could have said my dad's race was African, European or American and they would have written it there. That is the measliest excuse for a reason for people to say Obama's CoLB is fake and shows the desperate extent to which people are willing to go to discredit Obama.

To learn more about Birth Certificates, read the link in my signature.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by stinkhorn
reply to post by marcsnothere

 

So the real problem is what the outcome would be? You think there would race riots on a level never seen anywhere before? I know there would be and every rioter should be given 1 warning, then shot in the face. If they are rioting because their black man was found by law to not be a citzen and thus ineligible, too bad.

We cannot change that part of the contitution ever, it is one of the most important laws concerning whom can be president. We the people do not want a foreign leader coming here to run our government.

It's not just rioting that would be an issue. It goes way beyond that.

1. Joe Biden would not be able to assume the presidency role permanently because Obama's campaign would be ruled null and void, meaning everything Obama did, all the decisions he made, all the money he raised, would be voided. That means Hilary Clinton would probably demand a runoff election claiming she was the natural front-runner on the Democratic side. She would want a sufficient period of time to re-campaign on the issues, select a running mate and then the Republicans would have to bring back John McCain to run. Then there's the question of if McCain would be allowed to pick another running mate, now knowing that Palin was a drag on the campaign. Oh, the can of worms THAT opens ...

2. Any election for governor, senator, representative spots that have happened since could be challenged on the basis that since Obama is void, the outcome of their elections would be different as well. Think of how many court cases would ensue to sort those out.

3. Cabinet positions assigned by Obama would be null and void and those members would try to resume their previous roles, but if replacements of those roles protest they can take it to court for ruling (they would most likely lose, but they can snag up the system big time).

4. Obama's Senator role would be questioned, including any and all legislation he voted on or authored.

5. Then you have the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and such who would organize mass civil disobedience sessions, claiming that once again, black people are being denied their rights in this country.

6. Yes, there would be riots in some areas.

7. The loophole that allowed this to happen in the first place would need to be closed for the POTUS spot and all Congressional spots. This is actually a good thing though, so the same doesn't happen again.

8. Not to mention the damage it would cause as far as foreign relations go, especially with countries like Venezuela and Iran who are openly hostile to talking to the present administration.

In short, it would be a tremendous mess to clean up and would set politics back 50 or more years in this country. I'm not saying that Obama being nullified would be wrong IF he was found not to be a natural born citizen, I'm just saying there would be a huge price to pay. And we would all have him to thank for it.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by sos37]

reply to post by Kailassa

Yes, precisely, and now you have gone and spoiled all the fun of this non-issue. If the birth certificate is SEALED in Hawaii, it means it is THERE, no? In my wildest fantasies, I can not imagine what would make the governor of Hawaii lie about such a thing, nor want to assist placing a non-citizen into the White House.

I was kind of surprised though, when I heard it at the time, way before he announced he was running for president, that Senators Obama and Lugar were held at the airport by Russian officials after visiting "WMD" sites in Russia. Google it if you don't believe me.

Wonder what that was about?