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Originally posted by themamayada
Since each state is different in labeling their certificates and the process by which one can attain either a "birth certificate" or "certification of live birth" - considering this is a federal job - maybe instead of using a birth certificate to prove he's a "natural born citizen" - maybe they should be using the hospital records. After I brought her home, I scanned all my toddler's records - and they have her footprint on them, weight, height, breathing, skin color, apgar scores, everything about the delivery, etc. Everything has doctor's signatures and hospital stampings. This should clear things up if he can get hospital records, right?
The United States Constitution
Article. IV. - The States
Section 1 - Each State to Honor all others
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by greeneyedleo
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! I was beginning to think no one would want to play.
Sounds like the first 2 are photocopies of the vault original, issued in the 70s, when it was common to issue actual copies and the 3rd is the short form, issued more recently in 2004.
Very interesting! My friend's also said Certificate of Vital Record at the very top, but under that it said Certificate of Live Birth. Yours don't have "birth" in their titles?
Originally posted by Kailassa
Originally posted by themamayada
Since each state is different in labeling their certificates and the process by which one can attain either a "birth certificate" or "certification of live birth" - considering this is a federal job - maybe instead of using a birth certificate to prove he's a "natural born citizen" - maybe they should be using the hospital records. After I brought her home, I scanned all my toddler's records - and they have her footprint on them, weight, height, breathing, skin color, apgar scores, everything about the delivery, etc. Everything has doctor's signatures and hospital stampings. This should clear things up if he can get hospital records, right?
It would really be pretty intrusive to demand of presidents that they give us information that includes everything about their delivery. That's personal to the mother, and I certainly wouldn't want the details of my deliveries spread around the States.
Obama has allowed his birth certificate to be splashed all over the web. How many other presidents have we expected this from?
Some will say: "oh, but that is only a Certificate of Live Birth, not a birth certificate!"
However, by doing that they are only showing their ignorance. Except for what is issued to the mother originally, the State of Hawaii only issues one type of birth certificate, and that is titled Certificate of Live Birth.
The Certificate of Live Birth only contains details which are copied from the original birth certificate. This, as it states Obama was born in Honolulu county in Hawaii, is legal proof that Obama was born in Honolulu county in Hawaii.
People wanting to disregard this certificate should perhaps look at the Constitution.
The United States Constitution
Article. IV. - The States
Section 1 - Each State to Honor all others
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Plus a HIPPA violation.
Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Its already been well established that the people who are pretending Obama is a Muslim from Kenya are delusional and ignorant. We understand them to be less culturally competent than us.
These threads are draining the ATS collective energy. Just my opinion don't flip out.
I don't understand your post. Obama really is a Muslim from Kenya, that is already a well known and documented fact. Grew up as a muslim in Indonesia. I think what we are talking about here is him proving that all the stuff surrounding his place of birth, and his parents citizenship is still up in the air. If it wasn't up in the air still, there would be no more posts.
Doesn't matter either or, our government is a fake charade and hasn't been "for the people" in so long most have forgot why it's even there. Keep your eyes open, America just witnessed the "perfect" brainwashing of it's people.
Originally posted by redhatty
But as I have posted somewhere in the forums before, my BC is full of false information.
Originally posted by themamayada
I scanned all my toddler's records - and they have her footprint on them, weight, height, breathing, skin color, apgar scores, everything about the delivery, etc. Everything has doctor's signatures and hospital stampings. This should clear things up if he can get hospital records, right?
Originally posted by aero56
So, why don't these people filing the lawsuits have this information, or are they just that desperate to ignore it?
Originally posted by aero56
So, why don't these people filing the lawsuits have this information, or are they just that desperate to ignore it?
Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Limited information is taken from the original birth record (the long form)...
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Sample of a short form birth certificate (certification of birth)
DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout).
In Florida, a "certificate of live birth" is the original certificate completed at the time of the child's birth.
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A "Certification of Birth" also known as a "computer copy" is a document issued by the Florida Office of Vital Statistics that only includes some of the information from the original "certificate of live birth".
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
This is an interesting point. The vault original CAN have false information. On my certificate, there's a place for "Informant's Name or Signature" and it was filled in with my mother's name. Whatever information she gave them they filled in. And there is also one piece of false information on it. But the important stuff (date, place of birth) is all correct. The doctors and nurses would have to be in cahoots to falsify that. That's pretty strange and I doubt it happens often.
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Barack Obama claims “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation” in the Berg case and has filed a request for dismissal and a protective order. Berg’s filing asks for copies of his birth certificate, citizenship records, passport and travel records, and other documentation proving citizenship in the U.S. as well as other countries.
Their reasoning for requesting a protective order is that revealing the information (birth certificate, passports, citizenship in other countries) would “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. They say revealing these documents raises a “legitimate privacy concern” and the above mentioned risk that “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” Then they claim Berg has no standing to ask for it.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Barack Obama claims “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation” in the Berg case and has filed a request for dismissal and a protective order. Berg’s filing asks for copies of his birth certificate, citizenship records, passport and travel records, and other documentation proving citizenship in the U.S. as well as other countries.
they then filed a motion for DISMISSAL and for a PROTECTIVE ORDER.
Their reasoning for requesting a protective order is that revealing the information (birth certificate, passports, citizenship in other countries) would “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. They say revealing these documents raises a “legitimate privacy concern” and the above mentioned risk that “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” Then they claim Berg has no standing to ask for it.
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