What turns the Earth on its own axis, at a constant speed, day in day out, each and every day ?

reply to post by ngchunter

mmmm....
i was told photons and ions have no charge???? how can what you claim happen then????????

Originally posted by Jim Scott

the earth doesn't have a constant rotation speed, nor does it have a constant rotation axis. Currently the axis is moving several km per year.

The earth spins at a constant speed conserved by the law of angular momentum. The earth spins around a fixed axis. The magnetic pole moves several km a year.

Edit: Sorry forgot the 1.6cm/s per century decrease in rotation due to frictional forces on the earth's surface e.g. tides

Edit: There's also the small matter of precession that i completely ignored so my apologies. In fact just ignore this rushed and poorly thought out post.

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Originally posted by iismtivu
reply to post by ngchunter

 

mmmm....
i was told photons and ions have no charge???? how can what you claim happen then????????

Ions always have a charge (see: en.wikipedia.org...), photons are massless so of course they're chargeless, but when a high energy photon strikes the upper atmosphere it can knock off an electron and create an ion out of the molecules already present in the upper atmosphere, hence the ionosphere.

Yes, this is just a short summary of what goes on, but I'm going for a simple explanation here.

Originally posted by iismtivu
reply to post by Johnmike

 

????? classical mechanics? care to share some sources??

Classical mechanics - basic Newtonian physics. Translational and rotational quantities such as velocity and angular velocity.

My real question, whats this "degree in electronics" you're talking about, which doesn't require you to take a classical physics course?

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Would this be the same physics that claim that there is only height width and depth as related to dimentions?

and just attacking me or my beliefs wont change my mind or anyone elses. plus you really didn't answer my question to begin with.

so if you think my opinions or beliefs are flawed then lets have a non judgemental discussion here ok? show some links to show what you believe, rather than jab at me with words.

reply to post by ngchunter


if photons are massless how do they get from there to here??? and just because we cant measure a charge doesn't mean there is not one. even a neutral charge is still a charge.

if there are protons or neutrons or electrons somewhere in the makeup of atoms in a photon, then there is a charge, might be to small for our crude measuring devices to pick up. just like the experts said that we could not go faster than the speed of sound. or even fly for that matter.

Originally posted by iismtivu
Would this be the same physics that claim that there is only height width and depth as related to dimentions?

No. We're talking mechanics.


Now can you tell me what sort of degree you have, instead of accusing me of attacking you or something?

reply to post by Johnmike

I have a college degre major in electronics theory and a minor in electro. mech. drafting.... plus a+ computer certification... and SDET certification....
and you?

reply to post by Johnmike


i didn't realize one needed to show or prove degree's here to be able to start a thread or post... like i said at the start i'm not claiming to be an expert.

The most amazing thing is not complicated, hard to understand or even hidden.



www.vias.org...

Originally posted by iismtivu

if photons are massless how do they get from there to here???

Honestly, take a basic physics course. Photons do not need mass to propogate.

if there are protons or neutrons or electrons somewhere in the makeup of atoms in a photon, then there is a charge, might be to small for our crude measuring devices to pick up.

Photons are not atoms, photons have no electrons, photons have no protons, photons have no mass, photons have no charge. Even a high school physics class would teach this.

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Again i ask for some links. if you are going to attack me, demand i prove what i know then atleast you can post a link. how hard is that?

einstien knew what he knew and there was no books to teach it ti him.
and i would have thiught that closed mindness here would be a bad thing. seems i hit a nerve?

Originally posted by iismtivu
reply to post by ngchunter

 

Again i ask for some links. if you are going to attack me, demand i prove what i know then atleast you can post a link. how hard is that?

einstien knew what he knew and there was no books to teach it ti him.
and i would have thiught that closed mindness here would be a bad thing. seems i hit a nerve?

You keep asking for links to backup basic principles of physics and astronomy. I gave you links, you have provided none.
How about some links from you. Links to back up your assertions that:

1. Photons have mass and charge
   
2. A non-ionized atom has a charge
   
3. Planets carry a net charge
   
4. Radio waves require a medium of transmission
   

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When the physics and astronomy etc. are missing pieces and you all blindly and closemindedly accept hook line and sinker what they say is reality i dont think anything i can post here will change anyones mind....

any mods reading this or the powers that be please close this thread no one seems willing to have a decent discussion here.

i have read in more than one thread here that all matter is energy... what is energy? and like i said before, just because you cant measure it or see it does not mean it is true. and until you can open your mind to the possibilities i have presented here, well there will be no time travel or an understanding of what gravity is.

Originally posted by iismtivu
Again i ask for some links. if you are going to attack me, demand i prove what i know then atleast you can post a link. how hard is that?

A)I'm not "attacking" you, I'm just pointing out where you're wrong about basic physics.
B)If you think you "know" something which directly contradicts high school physics then the burden is on you to provide proof. How did you come to "know" this anyway? It sounds like you just toss common physics terms around without understanding their meaning, so I think a basic physics textbook would serve you better, but here goes.
physics.about.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

einstien knew what he knew and there was no books to teach it ti him.

You're comparing yourself to einstein? He was largely self-taught from an early age, and yes, he read plenty of good books about science and math.

Wikipedia:
In 1889, family friend Max Talmud, a medical student,[8] introduced the ten-year-old Einstein to key science, mathematics, and philosophy texts, including Kant's Critique of Pure Reason and Euclid's Elements (Einstein called it the "holy little geometry book").[8] From Euclid, Einstein began to understand deductive reasoning, and by the age of twelve, he had learned Euclidean geometry. Soon thereafter he began to investigate infinitesimal calculus.
en.wikipedia.org...

seems i hit a nerve?

You didn't hit a nerve and I'm not attacking you personally.

news.yahoo.com...
science proved finally e=mc2

try theses on google... get all the answers you want

what is a photon made of?
searchwarp.com...

movement of particles through space
lasp.colorado.edu...
1. Photons have mass and charge
yes they do… they spin they will have a charge
searchwarp.com...

2. A non-ionized atom has a charge
again they spin they have energy they have charge
searchwarp.com...
3. Planets carry a net charge
searchwarp.com...
4. Radio waves require a medium of transmission
lasp.colorado.edu...

Just a few links. be open minded and read all that is there.....

Originally posted by iismtivu
1. Photons have mass and charge
yes they do… they spin they will have a charge
searchwarp.com...

That is a gross misunderstanding of special relativity. Photons are by definition massless particles, by E=MC^2 you can see that photons have the energy equivalent to the momentum of a given particle with mass, but that's not the same as a photon having mass itself. Likewise, a photon has no charge, this is proven by observation:
www.springerlink.com...
Some information about why photons have momentum but not mass:
math.ucr.edu...

2. A non-ionized atom has a charge
again they spin they have energy they have charge
searchwarp.com...

Why do you keep reposting the same flawed article over and over? Once is sufficient. A non-ionized atom can have a dipole moment, that is not at all the same thing as a charged ion. The word ion doesn't even appear in the article though. Again, you're using terms without understanding their classical meaning thus you end up abusing the terminology. You seem to be getting all your information from fringe theories without supporting evidence without even studying the mainstream ideas that it diverged from. Either that or you feigned ignorance of basic physics.

3. Planets carry a net charge
searchwarp.com...

Non-sequitur, this article doesn't say anything about planets. Positive and negative charges in the ionosphere are in relatively equal abundance.

4. Radio waves require a medium of transmission
lasp.colorado.edu...

LOL. No, they do not. How do photons travel between ions of plasma if the medium they need is plasma? Your link doesn't say anything about radio waves requiring a medium of transmission, it's a complete non-sequitur.

Just a few links. be open minded and read all that is there.....

What you're suggesting is that I be gullibly accept fringe ideas without any supporting evidence. I'll be open minded to the "super relativity" theory, but I require that it offer better predictions of the behavior of particles than the accepted theories of relativity and quantum mechanics.

accepted by "who"? so can you show me a picture of a photon particle? can you show me it doesn't spin? if you can then i will accept it has no charge. otherwise i believe all particals no matter how small spin and have a charge.

photons
www.newton.dep.anl.gov...
so to have a magnetic field something has to be spinning.

Originally posted by iismtivu
accepted by "who"? so can you show me a picture of a photon particle? can you show me it doesn't spin? if you can then i will accept it has no charge. otherwise i believe all particals no matter how small spin and have a charge.

It's a false dilemna - photon spin does not demand a charge exist the way it does for a massive particle. I'm fairly certain you'll believe whatever fringe idea sounds best to you regardless of anything I say, but just because photons "spin" does not mean they carry a charge - they're massless particles. The fact of the matter is that observations have established a strict upper limit for any charge to exist and it's an amazing low limit - meaning that unless scientists are conspiring against you for no reason, the actual value is zero just as physics dictates. The spin of a photon creates polarization, not a charge, it's a phenomenon anyone with polarized glasses has seen, and if you refuse to believe that then you may as well believe in the easter bunny and santa claus.

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No i dont believe in either. lets go back to the 1900's.
seems you would be crazy and even considered a heretic to beileve man could fly...but a few shart years later...walla man flew..... then electricity... another possibility, yet edison made a light bulb.

then it was faster than the speed of sound, then to the moon. fortunately for mankind these were all accomplished by men who like me, dared to believe something different.

so, yes you are not going to change what i think or believe and in 20 years if you and others still remain closeminded you will be paying 8.00 gas to put in your internal combustion engines.