What makes you think God has limits?

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people actually beleive that kind of sillyness though thats why i corrected it


p.s. the magic divisable by 7 stuff on that site

31-32 days barn owls =4.57

average human gestation 9months 270 days divided by 7 =38.571

i guess god didnt make us or barn owls, and that took me seconds to look up there are plenty more

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well, i'm sure there are yahoo's out there that say we are somehow similar to a kangaroo as well......and yes, i'm sure you'll believe them.

Love the part about asexual reproduction...again hilarious. and the chicken thing is hilarious as well.

and you can probably pay anyone to debunk anything now adays....

Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by beach2197

 

people actually beleive that kind of sillyness though thats why i corrected it


p.s. the magic divisable by 7 stuff on that site

31-32 days barn owls =4.57

average human gestation 9months 270 days divided by 7 =38.571

i guess god didnt make us or barn owls, and that took me seconds to look up there are plenty more

excellen work Watson! you have now converted me!!!

Originally posted by beach2197

well, i'm sure there are yahoo's out there that say we are somehow similar to a kangaroo as well......and yes, i'm sure you'll believe them.

yes becasue they may be yahoo's but as long as they say we are mammals just like kangaroo and we have a common ancestor way back when then they would be 100% right

if they came out with anything yahoo'ish to add t those two id have to question and ask for evidence

Love the part about asexual reproduction...again hilarious. and the chicken thing is hilarious as well.

glad i made you alugh and whats more its truthful

bluegreen algae are probabily the closest we have today to the first plants,

and you can probably pay anyone to debunk anything now adays....

im sure you can but have you actually read the paper he wrote? im not bieng payed to debunk it, ive read it and it is total bunk

Originally posted by beach2197

excellen work Watson! you have now converted me!!!

but you see why tha sites information is at best made up to fit the cause?

if they had picked 9 as the magic number they coud have had humans and gone in search of others (shouldnt be hard to find)

if they had picked 8 barnowls and find a handful of others

read think ask, the golden rules for learning and denying ignorance

If this God is as almighty and amazing as some say,
then he needs to be accountable for this sad state
we are in.

Corrupt government, wars, poverty, hunger, disease
etc. etc. etc.

I'd say this God is a jerk and should get his head out of
his @$s and come forward and apologize for the sad
state of humankind we have reached.

Supposedly we are in his image. Pretty ugly, confused
and miserable old fart he must be.

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yea, anyway...we got off topic on the issue of the thread. i'm not going to sit here and google everything someone says all day like you do so you can find a rebutal to everything someone else says. There will always be rebutals to everything, that's why they call it arguing (of course, now you're probably going to look up the word 'argue' and say, "No, this is why they call it arguing!" But save it....or do it, i could care less.
There are blatent false things out there that you can find that everyone says they're true, or there's truthful things you can find that everyone says are false. And you can believe either one. I choose to believe the truthful things.
Maybe finding "truth" as everyone seems to be doing on here (seems like everyone is a lawyer on this site) is through "faith"?
But my friend, i have a really good feeling that one day you'll see "things happening" and think about all the times you THOUGHT you "debunked" everything and then a new score for your fight club record pops into your head.......Creation 1 - atheism/evolutionism ZERO


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I agree completely. Like how some people have this nonsensical idea that God couldn't have created humans and other creatures through micro and macroevolution. Some religious folk are totally against evolution but there are also some who think God could have created humans through evolution.

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I don't understand. So you see bad things happening in the world and you blame God for it? That's kind of childish and cowardly and taking the lazy way out if you ask me. So if you see good things happen in the world, you blame Satan?

Originally posted by ghaleon12
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I agree completely. Like how some people have this nonsensical idea that God couldn't have created humans and other creatures through micro and macroevolution. Some religious folk are totally against evolution but there are also some who think God could have created humans through evolution.

yea, i heard that some religious folk think God could have created humans through evolution. But I guess that religion doesn't believe in the Bible?? Doesn't it say that God created man in his own image on the 6th day? So the "evolution of man" took place in 24 hours? I think it also says that God created man out of the dust of the earth. This could revert back to the original question of the thread....does God have limits

Originally posted by beach2197
yea, i heard that some religious folk think God could have created humans through evolution. But I guess that religion doesn't believe in the Bible?? Doesn't it say that God created man in his own image on the 6th day? So the "evolution of man" took place in 24 hours? I think it also says that God created man out of the dust of the earth. This could revert back to the original question of the thread....does God have limits

There are different interpritations and like Bush has just said (lol), not all part of the Bible have to be literally read. And really, to read it literally is wrong. The story of the exodus from Egypt has a lot of meaning if you read it looking for something deeper, otherwise it is a boring history lesson.

Numbers have a significance outside of just being a number, like how 40 is often used throughout the Bible. Maybe God being something "inner" perhaps he created the inner portion of man on the sixth day. And the God created man out of the dust of the earth...sure sounds like evolution to me.

But for me, I don't feel the need to defend/explain anything in the Bible, there's no need for me or others who don't care or don't want to understand. And from a Marcionistic point of view, the Old Testament and the deity therein were both from a lesser diety, not the true God. So there are many different interpritations of things


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Originally posted by beach2197

i'm not going to sit here and google everything someone says all day like you do so you can find a rebutal to everything someone else says. There will always be rebutals to everything, that's why they call it arguing (of course, now you're probably going to look up the word 'argue' and say, "No, this is why they call it arguing!" But save it....or do it, i could care less.

so you would rather not learn?

There are blatent false things out there that you can find that everyone says they're true, or there's truthful things you can find that everyone says are false.

i agree

I choose to believe the truthful things.

but how do you know if you dont learn about anything but what you already believe?

theres a reason i know the bible better then your self, i have to in order to be honest about what i accept and why,

Maybe finding "truth" as everyone seems to be doing on here (seems like everyone is a lawyer on this site) is through "faith"? no i keep faith out of it it makes things up and doesnt involve the truth

But my friend, i have a really good feeling that one day you'll see "things happening" and think about all the times you THOUGHT you "debunked" everything and then a new score for your fight club record pops into your head

again faith over fact and truth

ill stick with fact and truth its much less silly and i dont need to lie to my self to rationalise it

Creation 1 - atheism/evolutionism ZERO

well creationism of one sort or antother has had several thousand years and still scored 0 evolution has had 150 years and the score is phenominal .... probability of it getting switched around? the same as me falling off a kerb and flying into space 0

and anthiesm and accpetance of evolutionary theory arnt mutaul exclusive

i know athiests that dont think evolution covers all the answers, and 70% of the worlds christians think evolution was gods way of getting it done


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Originally posted by beach2197
reply to post by cluckerspud

 

I don't understand. So you see bad things happening in the world and you blame God for it? That's kind of childish and cowardly and taking the lazy way out if you ask me. So if you see good things happen in the world, you blame Satan?

Not at all, god to me is as real as the tooth fairy.
With that being said, satan is a fairy tale as well.
The bad things happening in the world is a result
of our own actions.

Notice how I say "If this god" in my statement.

Most who believe in god assume that we are in his
image. So "IF" this was the case, I'd say he is not
trust worthy and full of lies and diseased.

Originally posted by Grandma
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poster:

Hello! I also am getting a little upset with all the posters who claim that God does not exist or could not be the creator because science doesn't prove it, however it does not disprove it either.

We have all the posters who tell us that the scriptures can't be believed because they say the bible has been rewritten and so forth and so forth.

They think they have knowledge about so many things but they lack spiritual knowledge. As 2 Peter said to us:But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heaven's existed and the earth was formed out of the water and by the water

Peace to you,

Grandma

God invented science..it is HIS ! Everybody else just 'borrows' it.

You are argueing semantics...........God created limits, he separated light from dark, wet from dry, etc. to make things distinct one from another. God is present of both sides of the limits. Your flesh is the largest organ of your body, overall it is one thing but it is composed of individual cells. They are interdependent on one another. Existence and purpose define the direction Creation progresses while materiel and tools (intelligent species) determine the speed. Aleister Crowley proclaimed "as above, so below." The macrocosm being a reflection of the microcosm meaning that changes effected on a microscopic level will be reflected in a corresponding level of the Universe. God being the progenitor of all levels.

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He made us in his image...

it's poetry,

it means we have the ability to evolve into pure, without sin, creatures. We are on our way, but in between monkey and super-race, we have to learn through thousands of years of killing eachother, the planet, .etc.

Originally posted by beach2197

I don't understand. So you see bad things happening in the world and you blame God for it? That's kind of childish and cowardly and taking the lazy way out if you ask me. So if you see good things happen in the world, you blame Satan?

if god made everything HE is responsible for everything, thats what it means to be an all powerful creator

he made all the bad and all the god, he is responsible for ever childs smile and every child that suffers

why does he blame god? becasue god did it

blaming the devil for what you dont like or saying its man he isnt good enough is the childish lazy cowardly comment

god made us god made the devil, god made good and god made bad, god knows all, god is responsible for all

for a merciful loving god its about time he got off his arse and did his job dont you think? how much compassion does it take to ignore suffering? to sit by idely and not help?

you can say its god plan al you like but his plan is still to let suffering happen so no not really act of mercy no matter how you try and distort reality to fit

a merciful god would have stepped in and fixed it along time ago






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The stone in you path of logic is "free will." We are not created automatrons, we get to choose. You get splashed by the wake of someone's passing ship and you blame the water. God is not holding the gun nor pulling the trigger, it is a man that chooses to do it. Choice is your vote in deciding how the world will be....but it is only one vote.

Originally posted by debris765nju

The stone in you path of logic is "free will."

its an invisble stone made of oxygen im afraid

free will isnt, its constrained by many many factors, it often brreaks down to nothing but a string of boulean choices, with sever habitualisation you often then further confine it to a single path

We are not created automatrons, we get to choose. You get splashed by the wake of someone's passing ship and you blame the water.

no i blame the guy driving the ship unless its my own fault for getting to close

but that analogy doesnt hold becasue the guy driving the ship didnt make the water his ship my boat didnt make every factor that lead to it

God is not holding the gun nor pulling the trigger, it is a man that chooses to do it.

but he made the gun and aimed it and has the ability to stop it bieng used but lacks the compassion to do so

and any will goes out the window if god is all knowing becasue he always has known and always will know exactly what you are going to do in every single situation, it may look like your making a choice but it isnt becasue he already knew, he already knew those that would hear his message and those who wouldnt and still let them walk into a burning house without interfering

thats not compassion or giving someone choice thats neglegence

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