What makes you think God has limits?

I'm tired of people trying to prove how God didn't create everything because some aspect of the process doesn't satisfy the way they believe science has proven it to be.

Often these people claim, or at least try and give the impression that they possess some sort of intelligence and understanding, so why is it that they cannot fathom that God is capable of anything, regardless of whether or not we can imagine it with our feeble minds.

I'm happy for them to dispute God's existence and any aspects of specific creation stories on the basis of a lack of faith or belief, have doubts about how far-fetched it all sounds by all means, but please refrain from outlandish claims that it can be proven to be false. It cannot and any claims to the contrary merely serve to diminish one's perceived standing (perhaps solely in one's own mind) as an intelligent thinker.

Correct, God can't be proven wrong. However, the God of the Bible has so many contradictions it's obviously either a gross misrepresentation of that entity or as I suspect, complete fiction that was rewritten with a good Christian hero and the Christian God in place of whatever local hero and deity the story originated from.

There is an unimaginable amount of stars out there, even in our own galaxy there is a such a huge number that I cant even wrap my mind around it. Simply because a person does not have the mental ability to take it in doesn't mean that there is this invisible voyeur in the sky that watches us torment ourselves for his enjoyment.

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Hello! I also am getting a little upset with all the posters who claim that God does not exist or could not be the creator because science doesn't prove it, however it does not disprove it either.

We have all the posters who tell us that the scriptures can't be believed because they say the bible has been rewritten and so forth and so forth.

They think they have knowledge about so many things but they lack spiritual knowledge. As 2 Peter said to us:But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heaven's existed and the earth was formed out of the water and by the water

Peace to you,
Grandma

if you think god is limitless..

that means that god IS everything.

because if god was everything EXCEPT some other stuff.. like.. "us"... then he would be LIMITED in that he would not be ALL powerful and he would not be EVERYTHING.

if he IS LIMITLESS.. then he HAS to BE EVERYTHING.

INCLUDING US

so we are a part of a limitless god

which in turn.. makes us limitless as well... (we just have to be clever as how to overcome certain current illusionary limits)...

it's the POTENTIAL limitlessness that we crave.. because we know we can be limitless...

and be one with our creator


to be JUST LIKE our creator... limitless.. and apart of everything.. which we are...

so everything is connected.. god is part of us and vice versa

which makes us part of the "source" .. the "grid" .. "god" etc..

no limits.. just everything connected as one.

no fairy tales.

just reality.

Sadly, the burden of proof is thrust upon the believer.

I agree with you in the sense that we can in no way prove something to not exist. However, this then turns the debate around and forces those who do believe to step up and present some form of evidence.

For example, if I were running around stark naked but claimed to be wearing a set of clothing like those from 'The Emperor's New Clothes,' people would undoubtedly ask me for some type of proof. I would be able to produce none. Due to the fact that others could in no way perceive the set of clothing that I believed my self to be wearing, those clothes then do not exist.

This sort of ties in to an interesting point, that existence is nothing more than perception.

God exists only in so far as you can perceive him. You can attribute all sorts of things to god, and if you truly believe that he did those things then he is very real to you. Faith can replace any amount of science or evidence to people actually believe they perceive god.

That said, I still see them stark naked, running around like fools.



And on the issue of faith while we're discussing god. Faith infers doubt. That is to say, if anyone says they have faith in something, then they are admitting to doubting it on at least some level. At some point, they have no evidence for their cause and are just asking people to blindly follow it.

People questioning the existence of God and what he can/can't do is a normal process of being a human. Those in opposition to your beliefs have just as much right to express their opposition as you do yours to their beliefs.

Since christianity has come into existence, it has caused nothing but strife and division. His adement commands about preaching to the nation was not how the God of Israel worked. The God of Israel worked through Israel and through that, people believed.

The disgust for ppl not believing your beliefs is a Christian thing that does nothing but turn ppl off to the message you are supposedly trying to get across.

I do not believe Jesus was the Saviour (OBVIOUS to anyone who has ACTUALLY taken the time to study the old testament) that was profesied. I think an angel who appears to be light has done a number to pull more ppl away from the God of Israel than bring to him.

Take a lesson from those who practice Judaism. Trust that God will make himself known to all in HIS way rather than your way. Wow! because your way is really haughty and self promoting. *said kindly, but honestly*

God is limited by imagination. You can't create something without combining the information of previous creations. Since it all started with 1, the possibilities were more limited in the beginning. The number of possible creations is limited even now, and always will be, but the potential for expansion is limitless.

I don't think God has any limits at all, and yes there is alot of anger out there pointing at us (Christians) who try and explain our beleifs, and how
God works in our lives.
I hope this makes sense.

Yea this question gets me too.


Even more so this one

What makes you think God is an entity?

What makes you think God is even definable within our limits of perception. If you read the bible, you know its chalk full of allegory, metaphor, and nefarious manipulation.

Humans trying to write God, is akin to an isolated primitive society trying to describe cars ("Giant loud beasts that run without moving their legs and make screams").

Among the infinite number of possibilities, what makes you think God isn't some sort of unified consciousness that every living thing creates? So when God "punishes" a man, that may just be the only logical thing we can observe. What really happened is that probability arranged an event that would in the end, or perhaps in another life teach him a lesson he needed. Humility perhaps. Because on a higher unconscious level, that man yearned to be humble, and to love, because that is where our evolution is going. But the observers still attribute what happened to him as a precise lightning bolt thrown specifically down to him from a giant man on a cloud. When that's close, but also really far off at the same time.

Atheists and fundamentalists are just weird disgruntled people with an extreme case of tunnel vision.

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As far as the creation story in the Bible goes, as unbelieveable as it may be, there is not one thing about it that can be proven a falsehood. Just like some evolutionists will incorrectly tell you, regardless of the impossible odds, that we exist, therefore the theory holds true, the same can be said more correctly about creation.

gods power is limited only by the imagination of the people that cunjouer him for what ever thier own need is

his earthly physical power however seems to be 0, for someone who did all those wonderful things and appeared to the masses and showed them many great wonders and spoke to many at the same time

he is .....shall we say latley lacking

and why if your tired of it create a thread thats just going to bring more?

[edit on 29/11/08 by noobfun]

Originally posted by poster
I'm tired of people trying to prove how God didn't create everything because some aspect of the process doesn't satisfy the way they believe science has proven it to be.

The Limited view of mankinds' ablity to percieve things, quite like their limited visual light part of the fuller spectrum, is directly relatied to their misundersandings. It is this reason too many try to limit God. In limiting God people say that "God isn't the creator of everything" as well as the limited statement of understanding in the fools that believe that God truly "created all things only 7000 years ago."

I think it is the Universe, because what is beyond everything . . . GOD!

Originally posted by mel1962
I think it is the Universe, because what is beyond everything . . . GOD!

no what is beyond you call god and them imagine it have mystical powers

this doesnt make it true just that you have faith(belief without evidence) that its true

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by mel1962
I think it is the Universe, because what is beyond everything . . . GOD!

no what is beyond you call god and them imagine it have mystical powers

this doesnt make it true just that you have faith(belief without evidence) that its true

you're skeptical to a fault.


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What makes you think God has limits?

Because it says so in the Bible.

Here's a cpl.

He cannot lie.(Hebrews 6:18-Numbers 23:19)
He cannot deny himself.(2 Timothy 2:13)

Originally posted by jakyll
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What makes you think God has limits?

Because it says so in the Bible.

Here's a cpl.

He cannot lie.(Hebrews 6:18-Numbers 23:19)
He cannot deny himself.(2 Timothy 2:13)

Aww.. but see.. even this is not a limitation on G-d. If he needs or wants to lie, He apparently finds ways to get around it.

1 Kings 22:23 Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2 Chronicles 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.

Jeremiah 4:10 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.

Jeremiah 20:7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

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God didn't lie, he sent wicked spirits who live on lies.
They are for judgement.

Originally posted by Clearskies
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God didn't lie, he sent wicked spirits who live on lies.
They are for judgement.

but he made them knowing that is what they will do which must be his will

so god created liars to spread a lie, making him responsible for the lie

so god is a creator of falsehood, also known as a liar