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Yes, but it is the actions of man that ask for the punishments. Teacher & student.
read your bible read it well
mans actions are pnuished by god time and time again.
so your discrediting the bibles accounts of god showing up then? as not being proof of god
hahaha
the hard love he gives is fire falling from the sky, floods and plagues and he makes sure you know it was him
so why not now? why not for 2000 years? why the sudden change?
so does he no longer teach? has he abandoned his ways?
Originally posted by Reddupo
Yes, but it is the actions of man that ask for the punishments. Teacher & student.
but by the same token doesnt mean it is
No, I'm saying that what was attributed to God in ancient times, would be described as mundane and easily explainable by any 4th grader in science class. Does that make it any less an act of God? No. We know how the tides of oceans work, doesn't mean it's not God's construction and operation.
but all natural
...Tsunami's, AIDS, volcanic eruptions, other natural disasters...those still exist?
Originally posted by noobfun
Originally posted by beach2197
if the bible is 'man made", then how are all of the prophetic writings true to the day? it predicted the coming of the Christ in Daniel i believe....to the day! Literally, man must have written the bible, but can man, in AAAALLL of his extensive knowledge and intellect, really predict or visualize future events a thousand years before they happen to the day?? someone must have shown the author a vision or something for them to be that accurate. I belive that someone is God.
jesus failed to do many of them
and theres no mention in the bible of him having another try
it says when jesus comes back he comes with fire and death
and how hard is it to write about a prophecy bieng fulfilled when the accounts of them bieng done are written by people who wernt there if jesus was real
even the one bieng descended from the line of david fails, he claims decent through joseph but he isnt his father, and no where does it say mary is of the line of david
do you believe god is all knowing and all powerful and perfect? like the bible says anyway?
Originally posted by speaker
It's quite simple. Half of your response continues to harp on how I'm relying on the bible to explain God's power, when I've clearly demonstrated I'm not. THERE's the flaw friend.
awwww
A considerable portion then moves to one of your favourite methods of rebuttle, the "is not, is too" defence.
stop making the same poor argument and maybe i can change my replies ^_^
I wasted my time reading another of your long-winded posts and for what? There is no new information presented. Just the same old repetitive drivel that I have dealt with and dispatched in previous replies.
Evidence is valid, in terms of proving a hypothesis, as long as no contrary evidence is found you say? I'd advise you to steer clear of using this line in the future, because you're actually saying the creation story in the Bible is supported by the lack of evidence (none) refuting it.
Originally posted by beach2197
Jesus failed to do many of what? Miracles? Prophecies? . What are you asking?? I'm not sure.
another try at what???
he brings death to everyone when he comes back its the end of the world so no peace etc he is wiping it all clear for a party in heaven
yes, it does say when jesus comes back with fire and death to those who do not believe.
i'm not sure what you mean about your "writing about a prophecy being fullfilled" statement. The book of Daniel was written some 500 years before any of the actual prophetic events that took place all the way thru the birth of Jesus.
jesus did to fulfil the decendant of king david prophecy
who claims descent thru Joseph?
Originally posted by speaker
agree it is idiotic reasoning, but it is YOUR reasoning. You were the one that proposed evidence is valid as long as nothing contradicts your hypothesis.
evidence is only valid if there is no evidence that is contruary to it to provide an alternate explenation
exactly
In case you've forgotten, my proposal required no alternative explanation for said evidence in order to validate it.
sure go ahead im all ears
Let me know if you would like me to clarify any other contradictions you have made.
becuase that has yet to be established, all the evidence points to natural concluisions
One last thing, how can you say plenty of evidence refutes the creation story in the bible, when God has no limits?
shame it seems to be showing the opposite
You obviously don't understand it, but THIS is one of many flaws in your logic.
Originally posted by noobfun
[edit on 5/12/08 by noobfun]
yes very conclusive proof that we are here but not that god did it
Originally posted by speaker
Hmmm....evidence.....now let me see......We're here aren't we? I'd say that's pretty conclusive evidence, wouldn't you?
ok ill make sure i try real hard to use ilogic or no logic at every chance maybe them i can find god, shall i just stop thinking all together? will that help?
I've done as much as I can to educate you on the flaws in your logic, I can do no more. I can't help it if you cannot comprehend it. You'll have to overcome that hurdle for yourself.
only if you come up with somthing better then you have so far
Try coming up with something I haven't already addressed next time, hey?
but thats not what the bible said he would do, by that measure L ron Hubbard is the messaih and we know he's a clown
Originally posted by beach2197
well, you're wrong about (unless its just your opinion) Jesus not bringing peace. He turned alot of people and had many disciples. Many people followed him.
but if he failed 1/2 the prophesies he isnt the messiah the old testament said would come, maybe he was satan pretending ....
He did exactly what he was brought to Earth to do, and that was to die for all mankind's sins so that we may all be saved
ok be back in a minute .... where did i leave that kjv ... ahh here it is ...... ... ahh yes there it is still in there
then you're wrong about the temple being raised. There is NO temple that will be raised prior to his 2nd coming. Please re-read scripture.
may as well check while the books open ....... yepp thats still there too
Unsure about returning ALL the jews to isreal.
1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary
then you're wrong about being a direct bloodline from David. Again, please re-read scripture and it clearly states that in Matthew chapter 1.
I don't believe there are any prophecies from Jesus that have failed. I don't even think Jesus made "prophecies". Unless you are referring to Jesus talking about the end of days and what is to happen.
are any of the disciples still alive like he said they would be?
Well, apparently there are things going on right now that are certainly leading up to this.
well if he i comming to bring a war and destory everything then thats not really going to bring peace to all nations by the abolishing war or build the temple or return ALL the jews to isreal now is it?
So, you can say that he "failed", and i will say that these so called "prophecies" have not yet been fulfilled. Therefore, they have not yet failed.
Originally posted by beach2197
and you'll never convince me that my ancestors were apes!
It was talking about granite. How we think granite is formed over thousands and millions of years. This one scientist (and he's been published in scientific journals, don't remember his name) did a study and looked into granite through an electron microscope and saw "polonium ions??" he called them.
Asexual reproduction is where the first plants come from, and many still do
Plants come from seeds i guess? well where do the seeds come from that are needed to produce a plant? Maybe you'll say, "from the plants!" Ok, well where do the plants come from