Exhibiting Signs of Alien Consciousness!?? Come on in..........

Originally posted by pharaohmoan

They will be eradicated from your zone of attention in due course, in the meantime you can help yourself by putting them in the category of 'Not worth my time or energy' they are part of the bad apple who seek to hold back spiritual and intellectual progress. You should feel no remorse in thinking of them as that which should no longer exist.

[edit on 28-11-2008 by pharaohmoan]

Bit selfish really, considering the highest spiritual connections are unbound by the elements of time, and giving energy to those whom you do not fully understand is a selfless act of charitable spirit.

By not conversing in basic dialogue, you yourself have been caught in your own spiritual loop hole, whereby failing to converse with someone who challenges your opinion, is considered to be a misguided hypocrisy of your own intent (of which you seek to spread knowledge).

By ignoring people, you are isolating yourself into social circles where the ONLY people involved will be those who believe you.

Does spiritual education only apply to some or do we all have the right to seek that knowledge without succumbing to the preachers, the name callers and the ill educated?

reply to post by atlasastro


Not being funny atlasastro but I think you could find fault in practically anything.

The link I posted clearly indicated that we are restricted in many ways. I do not know who has imposed these restrictions on us but I suspect that behind it is a malevolent force/s. It is realisation of these restrictions which I believe can liberate the individual. You need to see the chains that bind each of us in order to release oneself from them. I have had insights into the potential that exists up there and what I see on this reality does not tally with how I know it could be. Sure I have no evidence of this but deep down I know it based on my exposure to the universal consciousness. (just another name, there are many I admit), and many other instances of contact.

What many don't realise is that we are being held back by those who KNOW they cannot enter the light. The human species has advanced very little because of this problem. And it is a real problem. I know because these very forces often try to distract/prevent me from connecting to the universal consciousness.

You have to understand how chi energy works in order to understand that they feed off of it, the energy buys them time, the more they feed off of it the longer they continue to cause distress in the world, and believe me being prevented from reaching the source is a distressful experience.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Sorry lizard man, but this is old ground for me, you either get the statement or you don't. There are many on earth that should be avoided like the plague, they cannot be saved, and I would not even be inclined to try. I wish more people would realise this. I refuse to chase my tail like the rest of humanity is at the moment. What is needed is for us to work out a way out of this mess. I think the best angle is to understand energy and raise our vibration to allow our spirit to exit the physical body.

Originally posted by SS,Naga

"Small child left in the woods,...complete with the hungry wolves (regarding use of dmt)."

ARE you trying to say you get my avatar????
I'm starting to wonder why you were so derisive toward me in your first post, when out pops your deamon, and lo & behold, we think alike. Man, your a sly one! And you like a low profile, I notice, but will kick a little dust in someone's eye when you think it may serve some beneficial purpose (keep visine handy, everybody). Nothing like admiring your enemies. Don Juan said, "When two sorcerers enter a house, only one comes out."

Red is humanity; the wolves are, well, ALL the wolves at the door; and of course, they're hungry!

To be honest I just glanced through the window at first blush and, well...

As far as quoting Carlito, I only warn against the first few books in the cases of the most eager readers. Perhaps best they skip those

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All that I know is that I know nothing. -Socrates

reply to post by SuperSpark

This is hilarious (once again): I tell people to avoid the first three books, myself, due to the drug usage and the confusion Carlo's suffered from at the beginning. He was a wayshower, later.

He also stated that not only was everything true he wrote ("I made nothing up..."), but that he didn't even write the books, himself! They were given to him via image, fully edited by don Juans sorcerers group. Many have said, "You can tell the difference when Carlo's is talking, and when don Juan is speaking." Sure.

Without that event, our world would be a blacker place (if such is possible!).

We are not alone in the dark.

I and others have learned to turn that light within, On.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by SS,Naga]

reply to post by SS,Naga


We survived the first three books just fine... again!

HAHA!!! Let's say to them "don't waste your time on the first three books" for their sakes, yes? YES!

U2U me some time. I have a joke to tell.

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All that I know is that I know nothing. -Socrates

[edit on 1-1-2009 by SuperSpark]

Originally posted by pharaohmoan


Not being funny atlasastro but I think you could find fault in practically anything.

That is really funny. I have posted two replies and now that counts as everything, cool. Sorry that I don't agree with everything you say or believe. Perhaps it is just that you have found fault in everything I have said? Valid Question considering you have not addressed any of the points I make regarding your link. The one about a fictional story that was made into a movie.

The link I posted clearly indicated that we are restricted in many ways. I do not know who has imposed these restrictions on us but I suspect that behind it is a malevolent force/s.

The Link you provided clearly show a Philosopher discussing the philosophy of a MOVIE. That is all. If it fits your belief fine. But appealing to a higher authority means little and smacks of those prone to thumping a bible when questioned.

It is realisation of these restrictions which I believe can liberate the individual.

I have no problem with that. You have to be prepared to have these beliefs tested! As by the very expressing of your belief is surely bound to interest others into testing the truth of what they believe.

You need to see the chains that bind each of us in order to release oneself from them. I have had insights into the potential that exists up there and what I see on this reality does not tally with how I know it could be.

I know and understand your point, but can I not question these insights, can I not discuss the flaws in the logic, the rationale that led to these insights and extrapolations on potential? And more significantly, the divergence with the reality I experience, and the one you claim to experience, or am I to just accept your philiosophy, interpretation of reality and instruction relating to such? Would you do that? I don't think so. What did you expect from ATS?

Sure I have no evidence of this but deep down I know it based on my exposure to the universal consciousness. (just another name, there are many I admit), and many other instances of contact.

I have not asked for evidence, and have merely discussed your opinion and expressions on these matters as I know that such discussion are always founded in assumptions, beliefs, interpretations of experiences in existences, their meaning or significance and the philosophies derived from such relating to an overall explanation for our being and existing. I believe I am being honest in my attempt at understanding and defining what seems abstract and remote beliefs that lay outside our concrete human experiences.

What many don't realise is that we are being held back by those who KNOW they cannot enter the light. The human species has advanced very little because of this problem. And it is a real problem. I know because these very forces often try to distract/prevent me from connecting to the universal consciousness.

I am sorry you feel that you are not in control of your own spiritual progression and that you feel impeded by these forces, it must be frustrating and dissapointing that there are these barriers. Perhaps you are mistaken or hold a false belief, perhaps you are looking in the wrong places or are infact on the right path? Any of these could explain being held back.

You have to understand how chi energy works in order to understand that they feed off of it, the energy buys them time, the more they feed off of it the longer they continue to cause distress in the world, and believe me being prevented from reaching the source is a distressful experience.

I am not going to pretend to understand the natural energy of the universe, we as humans barely understand the mechanics of nature at all, let alone what drives it. What I do know is, we all feed of it. All of us. And everything. Not just the bad, but the Good to. And you can't be one without the other.

Time for a new thread. This has become laborious!

This is like a battle between misanthropy and cynicism while Ben Stein reads Alice Bailey's The Externalization of the Hierarchy


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All that I know is that I know nothing -Socrates

I haven't read this whole thread, just the first couple of posts.

The OP seems to be fishing. Maybe for like-minded souls who can understand what he's saying. Does he want our opinion?

Stop thinking in terms of alien. It only feels alien because we've only just learned that our perspective can change whenever we want it to. We look beyond our own box to get a better look at the big picture.

Can you understand that nothing is more important to our spiritual being than what's happening now? this realization has always driven my conscious thought. I feel as though I've failed miserably. I've always had good intentions and somehow ended up not caring at all. In those times, nothing mattered.

I imagine most of us feel pretty much the same way if we have followed the dogma of organized religion. Especially now, with so much suffering going on in the world.

What's coming back to us isn't "alien" it's a Christ consciousness. Not naming names and not necessarily stating a belief in Jesus the man, just the realization of the message.

reply to post by pharaohmoan


I've read this thread, as well as the "I'm the One" thread as well.

What points to all this being in your [pharaohmoan] mind is that if you really are so evolved, mentally and spiritually, you would *fully* understand and appreciate that probably no one here will understand you or take you seriously.

So, following that logic, I find it *highly suspect* of such an evolved mind to start posts with, "I'm the One" and "Alien Consciousness, c'mon in" as it looks like you're up your own behind and on a serious ego trip.

Instead, if I were such a person/being, I would find threads or posts related to the subject and interject a few points of view and see what people think, carefully and very high level/abstract so as to keep it sane. I'd make posts that were helpful or suggest a possible view to a new solution, while humbling myself to others' point of view.

The way you've done all this, it lacks all that -- you've come out and announced who you are, effectively *denounced* the rest of us and gone to the point of threatening others with karmic reprecussions.

Honestly mate, if you want(ed) people to take you seriously, you've gone about this the entire wrong way.

reply to post by noonebutme


I’M ANGRY GET IT!

I've weighed up the pros and cons and that's how it came out. It may have seemed on the arrogant side but then I realise the greatness and purity of the light within me and that I have been enslaved here on earth. For this reason I am more direct now and consequently impatient. I am convinced I was an Alien when I first came to earth and that my light was strong and wielded great power and knowledge. Some light I have projected into other personalities while some was taken against my will, or I was deceived into giving

If you are asking why am I angry, it’s because I am almightily pissed off with what humans have allowed to pass. This is one aspect. But I can also speak about how I have seen love and affection in much of the music I listen to, and how affectionate two humans can be towards each other this calms me down somewhat. Iow I realise that the ‘creative effort’ has not been futile. Yes, I have seen beauty (a reflection of the source) but very little, again this is why I am angry. Your landscape has been littered with infrastructure that is offensive on the eye, there are few monuments in a locality that might be considered beautiful. Similarly I would say only a small fraction amongst your species would be considered beautiful from inside and also what is being projected externally. Beauty I can tell you now is an indication of the world you are on, the closer you are to the source the more beautiful your world. You see beauty is a frequency of matter and energy that is approaching happiness. I want a part of that and the longer I am away from it the angrier I become at humans as a species. I find reverence in contact with the connections to the source…………., what matters is that I am at one with it. Well some of the time.

Originally posted by pharaohmoan
reply to post by noonebutme

 

If you are asking why am I angry...

I'm not. I don't care, it's none of my business.

Originally posted by pharaohmoan
...it’s because I am almightily pissed off with what humans have allowed to pass.

What I still can't figure is how you can get so upset with us, given your advanced/elevated state of mind & consciousness. (?) I too and am upset and depressed by much of what people do and have done thoughout history. But I could only imagine what my own frame of mind and consciousness might be like, if I was at the point that you claim to be now - and such trivial things wouldn't annoy me. I'd merely see them "as is" and simply continue down whatever path I'm on.

I've always imagined what it would be like to live for thousands of years and how that would change your mind, your view of reality, consciousness, etc.

I remember what the world was like when I was about 8, how small and toy filled it was, how it was all "me". Then I remember being 13 and looking back thinking how *small* my view was and how much more I could see now. Then again at 20. Then 25 and now at 30 (ish!). I look back and think of what I can "see" now compared to being 8 years old and how much my mind and awareness changed.

I could only imagine how much a human mind would change if it lived to 200, or 800 or 1000 or 4000. Imagine what your mind would be like, how it could understand the world and see beyond it, how reality is so much more different than that of what a 30 year old thinks it is. How consciousness must be so aware and attuned to everything around you, etc.

My point is, it would be so far above and beyond the everyday issues and problems and petty hinderances of negative emotions, anger, aggression, bigotry, judgement. You'd see so much more to even the smallest things and would have such a hightened awareness and appreciation of *all* things, such that whatever otehr people did or thought, wouldn't bother you. You'd see it for what it is and simply "accept" it.

To me, that would be a truly enlightened mind.

Not one that starts a post with, "I'M ANGRY GET IT". I mean, how enlightened and aware of the universe is that? Sheesh.


PS - for the record, I don't hate you. I'm merely a weighty piece of metal on the other end of the chain -- the one that's here to help keep you grounded!

[from Don Juan]
"This is a time for the Warrior to hide. It is strategic, especially when all good things in the world are hiding. Eventually, the war between the Vulture [Eagle/Hawk/&c] and the Dragon will produce the magnificent hidden beast of transformation, called the Phoenix. The Vulture and the Dragon are warring beasts. The Phoenix is a beast of the reconciliation of extreme opposites...This war produces the perception of the world. The Vulture freezes the world into its microscopic components of entanglement, while the dragon melts the world into its macroscopic components of the movement of energy. It is the meeting of the Nagual [Dragon] and the Tonal [Vulture], Beingness and Placeness.

"The physical body is a product of such a union. It is part place and part being, part Tonal and part Nagual. The Dragon moves in to unify while the Vulture fragments and freezes to maintain the status quo [concensus reality]. Imagine the force that would hold the destruction of the universe to its breast and you will be able to imagine a war that forms the Universes upon Universes that is caught up in that interplay of opposites. They are so caught up in that war that it is hard to discern the two distinct beasts. They eat each other up so that their perception is not so distinct.

"The Phoenix is a composite beast that constantly lives to die and dies to live in order to transform through a variety of states that can melt for temporary excursions or solidify to maintain a variety of transformations within a particular setting. The Phoenix is the great Sunbird whose likeness and image all sentient being have been modeled upon. It flies to its own destruction to be born again. This is the dance to Freedom that is embodied in the general state of all individual sentient beings.

"Your plasmic body must go through several more transitions until it is strong enough to stand upon its own. It is still incomplete.

"The electrical bolts continued as Don Juan left off at this idea. Within the strength of those electrical bolts I sensed the strength of the place upon the mushroom formation of rocks. In that moment we were back where we started once again. Don Juan continued in conventional language.

"....The Unknowable is the beast that the Toltecs, the Old Seers, created out of the residual energy of disposed personal history that was not properly taken care of. It was the energy of the holes in their cocoons. It was also the energy of what caused those holes. Take care of all your beasts or else they will rip you apart with all your own energy."
("Scales of the Dragon," A.Dragon)

[from Quetzalcoatl]
"It is the atoms of your own physical body that serves as the formed substance of dreams, worlds, Solar Systems, Galaxies, Universes and Dimensions. The Will is the instrument that organizes atoms into gateways to experience such things."
("Scales of the Dragon," A.Dragon)

So, if someone makes transitions that are beyond the ken of the average seeker, he should be stoned by them? Then so should any such, yes? Can you not seek the inner light, so you may see?

These experiences are Palpable; they Embody one, for a time, and leave one thereafter. One sees, some share.

As we have told you, there are seven levels of density which involves, among other things, not only state of being physically, spiritually and etherically, and materially, but also, more importantly, state of awareness. You see, state of awareness is the key element to all existence in creation. You have undoubtedly remembered that we have told you that this is, after all, a grand illusion, have you not? So, therefore, if it is a grand illusion, what is more important, physical structure or state of awareness???

....Now, when we go from the measuring system, which of course has been nicely formulated so that you can understand it, of density levels one through seven, the key concept, of course, is state of awareness. All the way through. So, once you rise to a higher state of awareness, such things as physical limitation evaporate. And, when they evaporate, vast distances, as you perceive them, become nonexistent. So, just because you are unable to see and understand has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what is or is not possible. Except within your own level of density. And this is what almost no one on your current level of density is able to understand. If you can understand it and convey it to them, you will be performing the greatest service that your kind has ever seen. Think about that for a moment. Let it seep into your consciousness. Analyze it. Dissect it. Look at it carefully and then put it back together again.
(by Laura Knight-Jadczyk)
cassiopaea (Chapter 42)

[edit on 2-1-2009 by SS,Naga]

reply to post by SS,Naga


A ha! I have read this before I think...

Humility seems the most powerful concept from start to finish, not its opposite.

I'm as dumb as dirt, to borrow a Shakespearean term.

Don Juan came forth from dirt and dust. The only balance to his to his power was his humility and humor and in the absence of both what would he be?

Well, The Maelstrom is another story

But would we ever reach such a point in the first place is the question.

In the absence of humility there can be no grace. Grace by any definition. This is the balance of opposites we seek, no?

How are we to discern anyone lacking this balance? SS,Naga you do have this grace. But alas, many do not.

I leave that as an open question to this thread.

reply to post by noonebutme


Point taken I'll take a step back from the point of your perspective. But just as you have put it ie what if someone lived to 200, or 800 hundred years well I have and much more. That is why I am angered. I should have said 'I am angry and have every right to be'. But your right this anger does have weight and for this reason I do not allow it to cross into my field of awareness too much during meditation.

Besides I think enlightment is relative.

The Unfolding Moment (Chptr. 8)
"Being, the capstone of ontological development, is a precise state of consciousness where creativety emanates from each and every instant. Being supercedes all models about it: whether the model is quantum physics or metaphysical cosmology, it falls to the wayside when you are actually in the moment. Being is a point from which you access infinity.

"...[Martin Heidegger]...considers being as a "unitary phenomenon" and states that to study it we must define an ontological world that includes "being-in-the-world." With this grounding, Heidegger, then declares that the new significant relationship of being enables us to transcend the worldly nature of life. Yet he outlines being as consisting of oneness and the necessity to understand this from the point of view of daily life. Only then can we transcend this baseline state."
("Awakening the Energy Body [from Shamanism to Bioenergetics]," by Kenneth Smith [Ken Eagle Feather])

I just read this, this morning, and thought, hmmphh. Sounds like what pharaohmoan was trying to convey, but has been unable to, due to the inability for the baseline consciousness to grasp the abstruse concepts.

I repeat, I just opened this book. It is remarkably similar to my don Juan synthesis of the Capstone Path, that I expound. I often mention (read my posts, this thread) about the base consciousness of the pyramid of consciousness, or what H.Heidegger is calling baseline consciousness. Seems great minds think alike! (kidding!)

Also, there is a karmic point of reaction against Pure States of Being that is repelled, as given in a passage in "Scales of the Dragon," by A.Dragon. I have never posted it. It all jives, and stones have been thrown for these very reasons, or Higher States of Awareness.

Yes, I understand some use the expression of 'grace' in method; but this is a tough world, and people make mistakes.

Anyway, read the quote again, if you will. I expound the nature of the Energy Body, and it is this inner knowledge that will set man free, not some savior (sorry to disappoint). Want a post on that? I have one by Tom Kenyon in his book, "The Hathor Material." Tom is a real down to Earth mystic.

Kenneth Smith is a follower and claimed direct student of don Juan (time discrepancy!). Don Juan's method of shamanism stressed experience of being states, rather than mere conceptualizations. Thanks for reading!

[edit on 4-1-2009 by SS,Naga]

Originally posted by pharaohmoan
reply to post by noonebutme

 

Point taken I'll take a step back from the point of your perspective. But just as you have put it ie what if someone lived to 200, or 800 hundred years well I have and much more. That is why I am angered. I should have said 'I am angry and have every right to be'. But your right this anger does have weight and for this reason I do not allow it to cross into my field of awareness too much during meditation.

Besides I think enlightment is relative.

May I ask in general pharaohmoan, what role in OBE/AP your emotions play?

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All that I know is that I know nothing -Socrates

To be angry at people means that one considers their acts to be important. It is imperative to cease to feel that way. The acts of men cannot be important enough to offset our only viable alternative: our unchangeable encounter with infinity.

The Teachings of Don Juan

The things that people do cannot under any conditions be more important than the world. And thus a warrior treats the world as an endless mystery and what people do as an endless folly.

A Separate Reality

The world of people goes up and down and people go up and down with their world; warriors have no business following the ups and downs of their fellow men.

The Second Ring of Power

People's actions no longer affect a warrior when he has no more expectations of any kind. A strange peace becomes the ruling force in his life. He has adopted one of the concepts of a warrior's life -- detachment.

The Eagle's Gift

Self-importance is man's greatest enemy. What weakens him is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of his fellow men. Self-importance requires that one spend most of one's life offended by something or someone.

The Fire From Within

The thrust of the warriors' way is to dethrone self-importance. And everything warriors do is directed toward accomplishing this goal.

The Power of Silence

Shamans have unmasked self-importance and found that it is self-pity masquerading as something else.

The Power of Silence

reply to post by Cons Piracy
At my age, that's all true, but well-worn knowledge. Important, but this site is a site of human's and their folly, yes?

One can post quotes forever, and it will make little impact. Wrong kind of people for those deeper practices (imo). Some don Juan/CC sites get into it, most without knowing what they're doing.

Thanks, tho! Not everybody can be a don Juan. And Carlos Castaneda certainly wasn't, was he..?

reply to post by SS,Naga



Poor Carlito!!! At best he road the roller-coaster of a whirlwind called Don Juan. Impeccable he was not!

But, I do see Cons Piracy's point. A certain lack of grace (doh! let's say enlightenment) denotes a certain lack of progress.

I see none in Pharo..

I see no humility... "I come from dirt" -Don Juan

I see no tolerance.

I see no impeccability.

I see... well I really don't see Pharo at all...

..and I see a lot.

The other point of Cons Piracy is that I should not care. On that note, I humbly say I remain in the dirt, learning as I go. I don't claim to be omniscient, not omnipotent and not "just on the verge" of something that will prove it all (if I did I would not need to).

Also, I don't claim to be peace-loving and threaten people side-ways by saying associates are not so nice.

Frankly, I'm at a loss as to why I comment. I don't teach and don't preach. Perhaps it is just a meeting of Wills and this is what I do.

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All that I know is that I know nothing -Socrates
(I don't put this in my signature on purpose. I need to type it out and say it out loud at least several times a day)

reply to post by SS,Naga


Hi Naga, thanks for the low down on the Don Juan stuff. It's interesting you mention him and Carlos. You might find this strange but the first time I read Carlos's book I get a download of many of his memories as if I had lived his life, it's not the first time this has happened to me either. What sticks with me very clearly is when he jumped into the mouth of the mountain and ended up at his workplace. I can recall the emotions to do with this very clearly. Strange huh!


reply to post by SuperSpark


Not quite sure what you mean about my emotions in repsect to AP/OOB.

OOB's are rare for me, only happened to me a couple times. As for AP well I believe I have been doing this in my dreams for some time already.