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Originally posted by debris765nju
It’s just a question of when do we realize this and embrace our belief systems, heart, intuition, senses and accumulated knowledge. More importantly do we need to recognize this in others? If so how should this realization and connection manifest itself on this level in order to achieve our highest purpose?
You are responsible for what you did and did not do. Am i my brother's keeper? You had better be because what affects him affects you as well. The story of Noah in the O.T. tells how God expected Noah to behave and how the world who would not listen perished. There are things on both sides of every limit, you can't have an in without an out. The more you can extend your awareness now the less bored you will be in eternity. The God of the Universe is all around us all of the time, your acts are judged as you commit them or avoid them. You have the option of being a healthy cell in the body of God or be cauterized if you are unhealthy. God is everywhere, there is no empty space anywhere hence the concept of hell. A place of separation, a place of imprisonment and a place for learning.
Originally posted by pharaohmoan
reply to post by SS,Naga
Nice story. Can you remember the name of the song I'd love to know?
Originally posted by SS,Naga
reply to post by FiatLux
Thanks for the narrow viewpoint. See this thread by 'The Matrix Traveller:' www.abovetopsecret.com...'
There, MT tells what he knows of another form of insight into The WORD (and It's actions). I stroke his ego, too, because he knows something you do not. Because you don't know it, doesn't make it unreal, for it is The Real of The WORD. It has Form, not just Substance. Go read this 2-3 pg. thread, then see if you can discern the reason: Because there is something there that some others can see (not you); many just don't post, perhaps because they like other threads.
Seeing Truth/True Experience is a thrill in Itself, on this Earth, today/here-now. Sorry, I don't condone religious dogma, neither do many others.
Give it a 1000 years; you and others will get it.
[edit on 29-12-2008 by SS,Naga]
Originally posted by pharaohmoan
reply to post by FiatLux
OK I hear what you're saying, perhaps yes I could have taken a different approach and thought about what I said a little better, I can see you are annoyed at me for a reason and in reality words coming from a one perspective shouldn't even mention retribution early on. I can see that. But it's done now, lesson learned, thanks.
Originally posted by SS,Naga
That other thread is closed. Get off it.
Mods?
This thread is an older thread, and this person (FL) is pushing it away from the topic at hand. Take it to u2u if you want to stroke your 'knowledgeable' ego (but not to me, I won't answer).
We are discussing something else here, entirely.
[edit on 29-12-2008 by SS,Naga]
So you are letting your imagination set the benchmarks in your spiritual progression. But you are stating in the title it would be Alien Conscoiusness. Is that also a result of your improvisation or imagination?
I ask myself these questions often, and because the answers to such questions are not readily on hand I tend to improvise and set my own ethereal landmarks.
How did you discern your reality as a retrospective. To experience a restrospective one would have to be in a reality that lets them retrospectare(latin for look back and the origins of retrospect). If you are indeed experiencing a retro reality governed by some elses rules, logically that would mean that someone else is looking back on their experience and your existence is a part of that. They would be governing the retropective process that you experience as reality, so you have no consciousness as you are a memory governed by the one who has recalled you, a being deep in retrospective cotemplation. But of course, this would only apply if an improvised or imagined world is true.
As a result I am now at the stage of reconginsing that I am experiencing a retro reality, a reality governed by someone else’s rules.
In light of your retro reality, you cannot escape it. You have only proclaimed yourself as a memory who thinks it is a closet alien that is so because of the govering reality, a governing reality deep in retrospective contemplation.
This realization and has led me on a pursuit to escape this reality which at times disgusts me. There have been many twists and turns on my way to becoming a self proclaimed closet Alien.
Given that you freely admit that you improvise all breakthroughs and landmarks and inroads, you are merely saying that that which you have imagined, now is beyond human imagining. I agree though that this may be beyond comprehension.
I believe I have made inroads to a source so great that our mere human imagination cannot comprehend or picture the complexity of the cosmic dance or the joy that exists there.
given that your reality is a retrospective, it is logical that it would flow along lines of recognition, but those line would only be recognisable as memories inspired by the governing consciousness that rules the retrospective timeline. Your feelings of oneness with Sound may be significant only to this consciousness so it would have intrinsic value to the perception of the ruling consciousness that governs the retrospective reality. You, as a memory and result of the retrospective contemplation that rules your reality, would logically feel this oneness to sound, or any other aspect of this retrospective contemplation.
Words are a fraction of the language there, sounds are harmonic so in a sense words are redundant and music takes a hold of the senses instead. I believe a oneness with sound is therefore an essential ingredient along with the understanding and recognition of the lines and history involved when it come to seeing what we is essentially an unfolding glimpse of flow, similar to that which our chi is connected to.
You may need to consider the fact you improvise alot. Imagination is valid as the source for these origins.
In a sense I am trying to assess what makes a person alien, not letting appearances interfere with perception.
Not a bad way to test the boundaries of our thinking. But are you asking questions that test the beliefs that arise from having earlier questions answered. Are hypothesis of what might be answered by real aspects of who you are, or the improvised. How can you be sure that the lines do not get blurred. Cool Idea though.
In many ways I am asking the question so that I might recognize the qualities within myself and if I don’t have certain qualities conducive to being an Alien then I shall seek to pursue them possibly reporting back on this thread.
Given your feelings on the nature of your reality, this could actually be the memory of a dance experienced as a result of the Governing consciousnesses reminscence. Which you are a party to only as a factor of memory.
I was prompted to start this thread because earlier today I made a lot of connections to humans on this planet that fitted a very complex physiological and transcendental profile who seem to be participants of what I call the cosmic dance.
Did someone say science, where.
Which to give you some idea involves the fearless pursuit of truth, coupled with expression and a dose of understanding of ones energetic surroundings and some science thrown in.
The connections your are experiencing are other memories of the ruling governing reality, that is in retrospect. The hierachical structure you mention is the ordering of these memories in terms of significance measured probably by emotions.
The combination seems to lead to soul connections and the realization that the souls I have been connecting to are an aspect of me which have diversified into a kind of fractal of expressions to do with that soul’s frequency. Some frequencies/entities/waves are of a holier nature and hierarchal status than others. These are closer to the source. While others of a different frequency are more familiar and easier to reach with less risk of causing disturbances to any timelines.
Pretty cool improvisation. Nice. But it Sounds old school GFL, Channeled Aliens etc.
To think one is in communion with god is a fallacy most of the time. Humans are generally speaking very low down on the evolutionary scale. But very clever when it comes to war and manipulation! This is why they are generally not liked or thought to be very contributory to the work of God (plural) or the purity of the energy flowing through the higher realms.
Considering you are an expressed memory, a retrospective element of a consciousnesses past, any ridicule or repercussions will be only a memory. As will any praise or congratulations. They will have nothing to do with you at all but will be the past, expressed as a recollection.
Because there are so many avenues of thought in the mind of someone approaching Alien consciousness, I wanted to have somewhere on ATS where others like me could get their thoughts down, drop the pretences and just talk the higher talk without fear of ridicule or repercussions.
Perhaps you should explain how a retro reality would lead to innovation. Naturally if something was retro, it would be moving back in history in time intervals, and away from any innovation
The wonderful thing is that discussion leads to innovation and also intelligence which when absorbed and understood leads to true advancement of the mind and soul and all kinds of further discoveries ergo leading to our prize which is waiting for sure.
I would start by really understanding the very terms that I would give to my reality, like say if I said I believe I lived in a RETRO reality ruled by something or whatever. I would then try to understand exactly what that would intale and then with that logic, use it to help me explain what and how i exist and how I percieve and experience my existence. You may have to improvise, and both you and I know, that is where all the fun is. But the danger too! LOL.
It’s just a question of when do we realize this and embrace our belief systems, heart, intuition, senses and accumulated knowledge. More importantly do we need to recognize this in others? If so how should this realization and connection manifest itself on this level in order to achieve our highest purpose?
Originally posted by atlasastro
Hi, I don't want to ruin your buzz but I have some questions.
So you are letting your imagination set the benchmarks in your spiritual progression. But you are stating in the title it would be Alien Consciousness. Is that also a result of your improvisation or imagination?
PH – “As a result I am now at the stage of reconginsing that I am experiencing a retro reality, a reality governed by someone else’s rules.”
How did you discern your reality as a retrospective. To experience a restrospective one would have to be in a reality that lets them retrospectare(latin for look back and the origins of retrospect). If you are indeed experiencing a retro reality governed by some elses rules, logically that would mean that someone else is looking back on their experience and your existence is a part of that. They would be governing the retropective process that you experience as reality, so you have no consciousness as you are a memory governed by the one who has recalled you, a being deep in retrospective cotemplation. But of course, this would only apply if an improvised or imagined world is true.
Let's begin with enslavement. We are forced to do many things in ordinary reality: we must eat, drink, sleep, on penalty of death. Also, no matter what we do, we shall eventually, within a fairly predictable time frame, die; we cannot stay alive forever, or even for a couple of hundred years. We can't travel back and forth in time; can't fly to other planets by flapping our arms. The list could go on and on, and I have simply offered limits we are subject to in virtue of the laws of nature. In other words, compared with some easily imaginable possibilities, we are severely constrained, in a type of bondage, though ordinarily most of us don't think of it as such. Writers, artists, philosophers, and theologians over the centuries have of course been keenly aware of these limitations, examined many forms of human bondage, and offered various types of suggestions as to how to free ourselves. Human beings have longed to "break out" of this reality, to transcend the imposed limitations on their physical being. Moreover, we should be clear that these limitations are imposed on us. We simply find ourselves in this condition, with these rules: we all die within approximately 100 years. It has nothing to do with our voluntary choice, our wishes, or our judgements about what ought to be the case.
Who has done this to us? Answering this question is important to some degree because we typically use the term "enslavement" to refer to something done by one agent to some others. In the case of the constraints I outlined above it may be harder, initially, to find anyone on whom to pin the blame. But of course human beings have offered answers to this question: one is God; another, the laws of nature. Religious thinkers have struggled with questions about why we should not be angry at God for constraining us in the ways he does: why do people die, why can't we go back in time, travel to other planets, etc.? Others conclude that God is not constraining us, but simply the laws of nature. At least at first this thought might be a bit more palatable insofar as we think of the laws of nature as impersonal features of reality; no one made them that way (if God did, then we get angry at him again). They do not mean to constrain us and there is no mind or intelligent force actively doing anything to us.3 Either way, however, our actual situation is one of involuntary constraint, much akin to the humans' situation in the Matrix, except that it is not at the hands of machines against whom we lost a war, but at the hands of God or "nature".
[from Quezacoatl]
"By this act you have reconstituted in a parallel dimension. Your other physical body will be allowed to go on in the former life until you can make the same impact there. The focus of the lifestream energy is now in this new life. No one will realize the difference except that they might intuit an unseen change in you. You will know the dfference as you begin to accomodate your new form as an effect in daily life.
"A similar event can happen to those who have UFO encounters. Those who are abducted encounter similar circumstances that is beyond their ability to control. This is the original method of genetic surgery that was carried out upon the species of the planet Earth to force the hand of evolution. This is the effect of hyperspace upon the organism...."
(From "Scales of the Dragon," A.Dragon)