Evidence that Mumbai attacks were anglo-american operatives

- There were many 'white' westerners arrested fighting in Afghanistan with AQ.
- There are millions of 'white' muslims in the world, many of them militant, and im sure a few of them have blonde hair

Not every attack that happens in the world is masterminded by the CIA, and I would hope that the US citizens here are not so arrogant (or ignorant?) to think that they do.

India / Pakistan / Sri Lanka are all countrys that have struggles with their traditional religious beliefs and the modern day 'global' community we live in. They have governments and democracys (debatable Im sure) that are at odds with the fanatiscm of the religious zealouts and the way they want to live.

Quite Simply (IMHO) this is a militant group doing the only thing they know how to do, the only thing they 'think' will influence their current governmental structure..

Believe the CIA were behind it if it gives you more comfort to believe that the bad old all powerful CIA are manipulating everything that happens in the world, after all if you werent thinking about conspiracies, god forbid you might have a smile on your face.

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Why, Why, Why?

Why do people here believe EVERYTHING that proves America is evil?

Saying "Light-skinned" means American is fine.

Try getting away with saying "Dark-skinned" MUST mean Arab or Muslim. You would be thrown off the site.

And the quote "doesn't look Muslim?" What the heck is "Look Muslim?"

reply to post by ModernAcademia


If you read history, in India, the Muslims are the invaders. Islam has been trying to conquer India for almost a thousand years now. The Muslims are the aggressors. I find it amazing that so many people want to try and claim the Muslims are the victims, when theirs is a history of aggressiveness and conquest.

Yeah, it is interesting how fair skin automatically means White American CIA Operative. Like the CIA has a patent on White People.

Also, I dont get how many of the same people who are blaming the CIA for all these well orchestrated attacks and in one breath give them credit for being so darned smart, in the next breath will say the CIA is run by complete idiots who cant tie their own shoes. Which is it?

I dont think these attacks had anything to do with the CIA. I firmly believe these attacks were carried out by Qaanaaq Seperatists.

I agree with the comments about being fair skinned having no effect on being a terrorist or not.

But the alochol part, if that's true, that it very strange. Some of you don't think it is. But people so crazy like these terrorists, would probably shoot their own brother if they caught him drinking alcohol lol.

And strippers? they would probably shoot them too.

But then again we are talking about terrorists, which means they are delusional, crazy, brainwashed people. So of course none of this makes sense, because their way of thinking does not make sense, because they are crazy lol!

(which makes me wonder, do these terrorist leaders find crazy people? It reminds me of how the Joker in the dark knight movies found crazy people to do his biddings.)

One more thing, I don't think it's stupid at all to "question" the truths, realities and the what if's with these incidents. Because once we stop questioning, we become one of the sheeple.




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Originally posted by poet1b
If you read history, in India, the Muslims are the invaders. Islam has been trying to conquer India for almost a thousand years now. The Muslims are the aggressors. I find it amazing that so many people want to try and claim the Muslims are the victims, when theirs is a history of aggressiveness and conquest.

I am well aware in detail of this history.
But that was a long time ago.

If you are a white caucasian, then by your perspective you should also be evil as you know the history of the Byzantine Empire, colonizing the land on which you live and today illegal invasions.

My hindu ancestors were victims of muslim oppressors, but I still consider white caucasians to have a worse and more evil history than them.

Sorry for being blunt.

sorry but i saw a picture of one of the terrorists holding an AK47 and he was with 100% certainty a pakistani.

I seriously doubt the story that a group of these supposedly heavily-armed terrorists were having drinks, and then were settling their bills. What, no on noticed their AK47s, grenades and even rocket launchers that were taken into the hotel with them? Who was this star-witness again?

It's just mind boggling to me that you can go from "fair-skinned" to this being a false-flag operation with on giant leap of bad logic. Shows how little thought people put into their theories, and the lack of proof they are willing to accept before they make their sweeping accusations.

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reply to post by ModernAcademia


What was a long time ago? Muslim agression is still going on today. Not only in India but all around the globe.

What is clear is that you don't like the facts getting in the way of your opinions.

Nice of you to point out that you are a racist, not too many people have that kind of courage.

The whole incident was based on attacking a Jewish Rabbi and all American British tourists there. I mean if these guys hated India so much they could have killed 1000 people but they targetted the West and anything Jewish it seems.

What kind of ideology does that speak of? I think its the same old brainwashed fantical story. They say the Muslims in poorer India had been treated badly and they we have had many accounts of bombings this year alone, but this is different. It seems that if they were from Pakistan they targetted non Hindu's because if they attacked Hindu's it would have been an act of war from another country and we know both India and Pakistan hold Nukes so we don't want that it may seem in ther mind's eye.



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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
But the alochol part, if that's true, that it very strange. Some of you don't think it is.
[edit on 28-11-2008 by _Phoenix_]

This is not a critisism.

I do not find it strange at all. I too remember loads of Iranians from the Shah's time here in the UK not far from where I live. In fact I was friends with a few of them and used to socialise with them. They were no different believe me from we locals when it came to wine, women and song - in fact I would say they were 'over the top' with it. They were extremely friendly, generous and great fun to be with.

like I said before, go to Tunisia, Turkey or some of the other less extreme Islamic nations - they are no different from most west European nations in their habits, vices and attitudes.

Originally posted by poet1b
What was a long time ago? Muslim agression is still going on today. Not only in India but all around the globe.

Yes I realize this, muslim aggression in small quantities is still going on.
American aggression is happening in MASSIVE quantities.

Originally posted by poet1b
What is clear is that you don't like the facts getting in the way of your opinions.

Either that or like every other blindly patriotic american you believe you are still one of the good guys, even after having Bush as your president for 8yrs.


I am not racist, I am impartial and realitistic.

This topic is ignorantly biased.


I mean ignorance as in lacking information, being in a state of ignorance.

The idea here is based on two factors from eyewitness accounts.

The first factor: At least One Caucasian looking terrorist.

From experience in Iraq and Afghanistan I can tell people that there are Caucasian looking Iraqis and Afghans. There are not many but they are in those countries. What many people overlook is the fact that for centuries the Ottoman empire and the Safavid Persian empire imported thousands of Europeans into the region as Jannisaries and Ghulams.

The other fact often overlooked is the reality that Islam embraces people of all nationalities and ethnicities. Terrorists are not all Arabs or Pashtun.

The second factor: The consumption of alcohol by some of the terrorists.

There are Liquor Stores in Iraq. Turkish truck drivers often tried to trade whiskey with us in Iraq. Alcohol was available in Afghanistan. Alcoholic drinks are not only sold in many Muslim countries, it is manufactured.

Major wine producers and consumers in the Muslim world.

Morocco
Algeria
Tunisia
Egypt
Jordan
Lebanon

Syria is a minor producer.

There are different interpretations and schools of thought of the Quaran in regards to the consumption of alcohol, due to the fact that alcohol is not absolutely forbidden.

Alcohol is banned by Law only in:

Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Iran
Sudan
Libya

People still drink in those countries. For example the Saudi police constantly bust illegal distilleries.

Just read this, its very informing.

Distilling the Muslim World's First 20-Year-Old Whisky

The 150-year-old Murree Brewery is teeming with activity. One of the Islamic world's most successful breweries will soon launch a rare, one-off product of its distillery: a 20-year-old single malt whisky that is the first of its kind in the Muslim world....

Even today many Muslims continue to enjoy alcohol, albeit at great expense and under cover. Hospitable and rich hosts in the big cities of Islamabad and Karachi ply guests with the finest wines and spirits delivered to their doorsteps by non-Muslim friends or bought on the black market. Of course, the rich aren't the only Muslims who drink here, and tragic deaths from cheap, contaminated bootleg alcohol continue to make the headlines.

"Britain's leading gin manufacturer told me that his biggest market is not the United States but the officially dry Saudi Arabia,"

www.spiegel.de...

The Truth is Out There.
Try reading it some time and stop being so blind to reality.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Muslim aggression is not in small quanities, it is global.

The U.S. is not being agressive, not trying to take territory from anyone, which we could easily, if we so desired. Most of the people being killed in Iraq are being killed by Muslims. The U.S. has established an independent government in Iraq, and agreed to voluntarily withdraw from the country. That is not being aggressive.

You are ignoring the massive efforts Muslims have made to be aggressive in India. This wasn't some small attack, it was on a very large scale, as large of a scale of operation as the instigators could create.

Originally posted by Wotan

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
But the alochol part, if that's true, that it very strange. Some of you don't think it is.
[edit on 28-11-2008 by _Phoenix_]

This is not a critisism.

I do not find it strange at all. I too remember loads of Iranians from the Shah's time here in the UK not far from where I live. In fact I was friends with a few of them and used to socialise with them. They were no different believe me from we locals when it came to wine, women and song - in fact I would say they were 'over the top' with it. They were extremely friendly, generous and great fun to be with.

like I said before, go to Tunisia, Turkey or some of the other less extreme Islamic nations - they are no different from most west European nations in their habits, vices and attitudes.

You misunderstand, I know many muslims, I know just what you mean.
I am muslim, I'm half moroccan, and I also enjoy a lot of arabic music, (Myriam Fares is so pretty www.dailymotion.com... www.dailymotion.com... www.dailymotion.com... sorry ) I watch arabic tv, which obviously shows a different view from what the rest of the world sees in the news.

I really recommend people to watch arabic tv on satellite, for a more real view of the normal people and the cultures.

But these are terrorists, not your normal everyday muslim, they are supposed to hate all things like this, times a million. They have been brainwashed to be OVER THE TOP, too extreme in all their views, to the point that they don't realise that they go against everything their religion stands for.


But then again I have no idea what goes on in their minds, so they could easily drink some beers, watch some strippers, and then blow up random people.




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According to Aftonbladet a swedish newspaper two brittsh born Pakistanies have been arrested in the Indian "terror" cupe

Link to original story

not much to translate but according to the paper they where captured by commando forces while they where conducting an attack agains some jewish community in bombay earlier today.

sincierly Zerbot565

Here's the BBC article about the 'foreign looking' terrorists.
BBC
There were many accounts of them looking 'anglo'.
That doesn't necessarily mean 'American'.
I remember the video, though of the American troops in South Ossetia PRIOR to the Georgian attacks.
There's a lot worth looking into. AT LEAST the BBC has good journalists and reporters!


Were they foreigners?



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Its a good thing to see the backlash against conspiracy theorists and their theorists on ATS. I cannot believe the amount of BS that is generated by any event and how quickly these people are itching to blame this on the U.S., the U.K., the C.I.A., the NWO, the NWA, the ASPCA... I could go on forever!

Fact is, conspiracy theories have NOTHING to them. There's not even a shred of logic to it, as someone else pointed out. They're not even worth addressing most of the time. But we have to give it some respect, because conspiracism can lead to tragic consequences, such as having people like Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin as leaders.

I'll also say that if this was a conspiracy and a false flag attazck, it would be a risk so insane that even the most evil of conspirators wouldn't even try it. Then agian, in the minds of the Tin Foil Brigade, the conspirators are omnipotent, omniscient, and omni-everything else.

Originally posted by poet1b
The U.S. is not being agressive, not trying to take territory from anyone, which we could easily, if we so desired. Most of the people being killed in Iraq are being killed by Muslims. The U.S. has established an independent government in Iraq, and agreed to voluntarily withdraw from the country. That is not being aggressive.

The U.S is not being aggressive?
Muslims do not have 700 bases in over 140 countries my friend.
They don't invade countries to steal their oil.
They don't create organizations like the IMF and World Bank to bankrupt other nations.

America has broken the geneva convention and they aren't being aggressive?

America has so many secret prisons all around the world and they aren't agressive?

Dude... What are you smoking????

The 'Black Cat' commandos where really a UK special forces 'rapid reaction force' anti terrorist squad. The guys that busted through the wall at the Jewish siege site where all Mossad commandos.

That is why it took the best part of three days to get all the players into place.

Your average Indian 'security' man is usually equipped with a rag tag uniform, tin hat and an old (but very effective) British army issue Belgian FN FAL 7.62mm SLR rifle.

... and no body armour.

Those commandos weren't Indian army. No way.