Evidence that Mumbai attacks were anglo-american operatives

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Reply to my own post on this thread!

There ARE BRITISH BORN CITIZENS of PAKISTAN decent arrested and in custody now,

please oh please look at my link above on my post.....

why oh why... It includes evidence from a Member of the European Parliment!


They are not White skinned, but Pakistani children born in britain!

Elf

As said in previous post this thread has been hijacked!

So there is new one for anyone wanting to discuss not hyperbole, or whatever but the radicalization of western Muslims here:

Mumbai Attacks "British Men are terrorists/Arrested"

With many many many sources!!

[edit on 28-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]

[edit on 28-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]

hmm, the whole attack has Mussad written over it with CIA overtones. I suspect a conflict coming..

Even with lack of information the attackers were linked to Al Qaeda on the main stream news, thats odd

reply to post by Genesis01


Could you please with all of your infinite wisdom provide some insight into how this is a Mossad/US plot?

Folks, the US has enough to worry about domestically and Israel is preparing to attack Iran.

The BBC are now confirmig that investigations ae underway into the British Radicalised Terrorists arrested in Mumbai:

UK officials have confirmed they are investigating reports of Britons being among those who carried out the attacks in Mumbai.

BBC


And also: evidence of this radicalisation can be found here:

Almost every Briton suspected of involvement in terrorist activity since 9/11 has received instruction in weapons handling and bomb-making, or given orders on which targets to hit, from experts linked to Kashmiri separatists or al-Qaeda.

In most cases they make the journey after being radicalised by preachers in British mosques, who tell them that Islam is under attack around the world and that they cannot stand by idly or simply raise money for the cause.

Some claim they only wanted to fight against the enemy in Kashmir or Afghanistan, or to learn how to defend fellow Muslims in other warzones such as Bosnia or Chechnya.

All too often, however, they have gone on to plot atrocities back in England or to attack Westerners and tourists in other foreign countries.

Tlegraph- well trodden Path from England to Terror Training Camps

I really dont buy the Al Qaeda story, though I know there is organised Jihady organisations, it appears to be more of a loose co-operative with grass roots planning AND SUPPORT FOR EVENTS.

There is IMHO no conspiracy here from government etc unlike the Tube events and 9/11, the only conspiracy is the discussions taking place in many homes and cretain mosques around the UK every day.

Kind regards,

Elf.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


The U.S. has military bases all over the world at the request of those countries.

The U.S. doesn't steal the oil, they discover it, tap it, and provide the resources to market that oil. The Saudis, Iranians, and Iraqis and the rest of the middle east got rich because U.S. industry develop the resource of their nations.

Now the nations of the Middle East use the wealth created for them by U.S. industry to spread global terrorism. Who is evil?

Trace the money that paid for this terrorist attack, and see where it comes from. Who provides the schoold that create these terrorists? How many people are killed by Islamic terrorists around the globe regularly? Of course with any terrorist attack, Al Queda is the first group to come to mind, their reputations procede them.

Who is evil?
It isn't out of stupidity that everything is blamed on the U.S. or the Brittish, or the Jewish, it is a well coordinated effort to spread the seeds of ignorance, allowing evil to take over the world again through religious oppression.

I have been to Kashmir, many of the peoples there have much fairer skin, than the rest of India populance.

One of the things people are forgetting is that the likely terrorists in Mumbai are not actually religiously motivated, per se. The primary issue here is rooted in the British Empire dividing India and Pakistan into 2 countries. Traditionally, this had been a single empire under the Indian Punjabs, but with major transitions between the traditional Russian, Turkish, and Eastern (Chinese, Mongolian, Korean, etc.) powers since the time of Alexander the Great. This is not an area known for peace that has not been imposed by dictatorial leaders - think Genghis Khan as the last person to keep the peace there.

The division that the British decided upon was not well-received in Northern India and Southern Pakistan. Groups on both sides have been involved with escalating raids upon each other. Since the time of Mohammed, there has been the added radicalized religious aspect with the war between Christianity and Islam (and the wars within each other). There are also Hindu Radicals involved in this due to the already existing sects within Hinduism that have always been of a radical nature. (Hinduism has many sects - not all are peaceful.) I reccommend reading Philip Jenkins The Next Christendom to know more about the growing religious tensions (not all Muslim/Christian) in the global south.

I live in Metro Detroit. Muslims drink. Sorry, even radicalized Muslims drink if they are "undercover." I doubt the "radicalized" Muslims here are truly radicalized in any way except in the idea of trying to get Kashmir especially - they are also after the states of Punjab and Jammu in their initial attacks. They are getting material support from the radicalized Muslims in Pakistan and elsewhere to gain this territory. That is their primary goal.

Mumbai is the primary economic center of India. Other cities and states are also important, but Mumbai is symbolic in several ways. It is akin to New York City in the USA and London in England. This is the financial and entertainment center of India in many, many ways. It is also the major port in India. It is no small thing that Mumbai - of all Indian cities - has been attacked. In many ways, it is a more effective strategic strike by those who wish to weaken India's power than New Delhi would be. (From what I've heard from Indian friends, the real power is not among politicians in India, but, just like NY and London, the financial elites.)

Blackwater? Since they are a mercenary group, they will show up on all sides of any conflict. Mercenaries work for whomever pays them the most. (I won't get into the Dominionist roots of Blackwater's owners. That is way too complicated. These folks actually believe instigating war will bring about the Kingdom of Heaven, so they want to create strife.) That isn't necessarily conspiracy - that is "just business."

There are conspiracies here, but probably not the conspiracies the folks who started this thread meant at all. The conspiracies:

-- Taking Kashmir (and to a lesser extant Punjab and Jammu) for Pakistan.
-- The spread of Islam
-- The growth / stopping of the economic power that is India
-- Making money from warfare (arms dealers, Blackwater and other mercenaries)
-- The constant fight amidst all religious types - both inter- and intra- conflicts

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

What was a long time ago? Muslim agression is still going on today. Not only in India but all around the globe.

What is clear is that you don't like the facts getting in the way of your opinions.

Nice of you to point out that you are a racist, not too many people have that kind of courage.

Hmm history of aggression from the Muslims huh? You ever heard of the crusades? How many Muslims invaded Europe? If anyones history is flawed its yours.

reply to post by mybigunit


How many Muslims invaded Europe? Are you freaking serious?

Do people need to be reminded of the Battle of Tours. the multiple sieges of Vienna and fall of Constantinople? How about the conquest of Sicily, Malta, Southern Italy and Spain?

Conquest of Spain
en.wikipedia.org...

Conquest of Southern Italy
en.wikipedia.org...

Battle for Toulouse, France
en.wikipedia.org...(721)

The Battle of Tours, France
en.wikipedia.org...

Sieges of Constantinople
en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...(717%E2%80%93718)

en.wikipedia.org...(1422)

Fall of Constantinople
en.wikipedia.org...

Siege of Belgrade
en.wikipedia.org...

Conquest of Hungary
en.wikipedia.org...

Sieges of Vienna, Austria
en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...


Wow, just wow! History is there for a reason.

Originally posted by esdad71
reply to post by Genesis01

 

Could you please with all of your infinite wisdom provide some insight into how this is a Mossad/US plot?

Folks, the US has enough to worry about domestically and Israel is preparing to attack Iran.

Well the reason why I brought up Mussad isn't that they themselves carried out the attacks, but supported the terrorists. There patience with Iran is running low and also with failed attempts to drag the US into military action I would suspect destabilizing peace talks between India and Pakistan a nuclear muslim country might be of some importance?

From what I understand Mumbai itself is the financial capital of India, so these attacks are the equivalent of terrorist attacks in New York. Which would guarantee world wide news coverage. Also the Taj-Mahal is a world famous location, like the twin towers?

Is there trouble brewing in Pakistan? Maybe extremists are organizing a revolt? I don't know. The fact that after my post more people online have been echoing Mussad influence. Time will only tell what they have to gain from this..

But let me apologize for just some bland, off hand conspiracy reply. These type of attacks have never happened with this degree of organization in India.






[edit on 28-11-2008 by Genesis01]

Why does it not surprise me a bit to see that people are already claiming "Conspriacy theorys, False Flag Ops, and Covert Ops". As far as the "light skinned, foreign theory" goes I saw an article mentioned about it on CNN, now I am sure there is light skinned arabs/muslims out there like there is light skinned African Americans. Come on people think before you post.

The media is truely making the situation worse by reporting it constantly. This is what the organizations want is media coverage, you are promoting their cause. At the same time if you post something blindly on a site such as this you are just as much to blame as the world media. Now we all know that there will be errors given off at first, which is why when this event first happened they should of just said "We assume multiple organizations are involved, not a specific one".

My theory however is this. A well cordinated, well planned attack. You don't get this from your average scum insurgent or even rag tag terrorist. They showed both discipline and motive to achieve their mission. Which hints they have had some specialized training. However, do not go immediatly think this suggests US, Brittish, or Israeli involvement. Those Countries are not the only ones with Special Forces. You have a mass array of countries with Special Forces Units ranging from Egypt, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, China, Russia, and the list goes on.

This wasn't just some random hit or event. This was a message that can't go ignored. With the events that occured that proves that ANY country is vulnerable to these kinds of attacks.

what kills me is that this is a craptastic fringe site and people are taking it seriously after a simple google search.

The rule is: if you heard it from an 'expert' - then they never did it. Experts dont write books or speak tech.

Funnier is the Twitter aspect, which is only used by social outcasts trying to regain some form of status - and they claim to have experts. Again, people that are either NOT expert in anything other than journalism (which is a minus, not a plus) or they're self appointed mouthpeices saying "I'm downtrodden so you all owe me everything, like a mofo!"

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by poet1b
The U.S. is not being agressive, not trying to take territory from anyone, which we could easily, if we so desired. Most of the people being killed in Iraq are being killed by Muslims. The U.S. has established an independent government in Iraq, and agreed to voluntarily withdraw from the country. That is not being aggressive.

The U.S is not being aggressive?
Muslims do not have 700 bases in over 140 countries my friend.
They don't invade countries to steal their oil.
They don't create organizations like the IMF and World Bank to bankrupt other nations.

America has broken the geneva convention and they aren't being aggressive?

America has so many secret prisons all around the world and they aren't agressive?

Dude... What are you smoking????

i love people like you that still bring up the stealing oil view. please show evidence saying we have stolen oil from iraq? because the last time i looked, oil was at its highest point ever until barney frank brought down the economy


so dude... what are you smoking?

Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
Well ive seen some pictures of them, and they looked fairly Indian to me.
But modern Indian.
But I guess it would be a good excuse to blame and invade Pakistan.
Due to Pakistan being a haven for Taliban and causing issues in Afghanistan.
However the Southern Indian Mujaheddin have already claimed responsibility.
And stated it was revenge for some raids the Gov had done on there Islamic places in India.
And the facts they had such good local knowledge, would lead many to believe they are local Indian Muslims.
Hard to say really we will have to wait and see what actions become of it.

Listen, I know that I'm not going to be thanked for this before I post it, but the truth of the matter is that a World without having to deal with Pakistan would be like a Person not having to deal with Cancer.

They are the scum of the Earth, never satisfied unless they are fighting or beligerent with someone, I certainly wouldn't weep if they we're destroyed.

I can't say the same for the Indians, hard working, a thirst for knowledge, and trying to fine their place on the World stage.

Which do we lose - the ones who cause 99% of the trouble around the World, or do we turn a blind eye to the truth and just accept it like we have to?

Originally posted by Power_Semi

Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
Well ive seen some pictures of them, and they looked fairly Indian to me.
But modern Indian.
But I guess it would be a good excuse to blame and invade Pakistan.
Due to Pakistan being a haven for Taliban and causing issues in Afghanistan.
However the Southern Indian Mujaheddin have already claimed responsibility.
And stated it was revenge for some raids the Gov had done on there Islamic places in India.
And the facts they had such good local knowledge, would lead many to believe they are local Indian Muslims.
Hard to say really we will have to wait and see what actions become of it.

Listen, I know that I'm not going to be thanked for this before I post it, but the truth of the matter is that a World without having to deal with Pakistan would be like a Person not having to deal with Cancer.

They are the scum of the Earth, never satisfied unless they are fighting or beligerent with someone, I certainly wouldn't weep if they we're destroyed.

I can't say the same for the Indians, hard working, a thirst for knowledge, and trying to fine their place on the World stage.

Which do we lose - the ones who cause 99% of the trouble around the World, or do we turn a blind eye to the truth and just accept it like we have to?

same thing can be said about religion. most of the wars in history was over religious differences.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by resistor
I don’t think that the race of the attackers is of much importance, really. It’s patently obvious that a war in Pakistan is on the agenda of the western powers, and that we’re seeing ‘terrorist’ acts to prepare the common folk to accept it. The fires weren’t even out before Pakistan was being blamed. Obvious false flag op IMO.

You speak with a profound ignorance of Pakistani-Indian relations. They have fought several wars since the separation of the two countries in 1946, and terrorists have killed nearly 3,600 people in India since 2003. India's knee-jerk reaction blaming Pakistan is not because of manipulation by Western powers, but due to the history between the two nations.

Of course I’m very well aware of the history between India and Pakistan. What you are apparently ‘profoundly ignorant’ of is that other nations might exploit such tensions to their own ends.

www.iraq-war.ru...

Why would Pakistan do something so incredibly stupid when they are already being targeted? As always, qui bono, who benefits?

www.unobserver.com...

uk.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Swatman
sorry but i saw a picture of one of the terrorists holding an AK47 and he was with 100% certainty a pakistani.

Well, that settles that then.

Originally posted by Muppetus Galacticus
Look, it's really quite simple. You listen to EVERY witness, or you disregard EVERY witness, and that's it. You cannot pick and choose what you use as "evidence" just because it fits in with your pre-conceived notions.

Anytime a terrorist attack occurs there are people who have already made up their minds that it's not "real". They don't care about evidence or doing any investigating by themselves, hoping to find the truth WHATEVER THAT MAY BE; their mind is made up and anyone who says otherwise is a .

What happens when India and Pakistan don't start fighting? What will the reason quickly change to for this oh-so-obvious false flag?

that's fine even if it was a domestic issue and not a conspiracy by western intelligence that could well be the case, still the media is lying and blowing this way out of proportion throwing out the good ol' Al-Qaeda link with no evidence, throwing out the 'targeting westerners' thing with no evidence, they are trying to give the west pretext to invade pakistan an other countries in the false name of fighting terrorism....

In response to the original post: I'm East Indian, Punjabi, and I look Caucasian. I have freckles even.

Lux

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Yup Im serious. Tell me who was the instigator of the crusades who was invading who? I mean there are many muslim holy sites in Europe right? No it was the Europeans invading the arabs for the "holy land" not the other way around.

Forget the crusades we will go to more recent. Lets talk about how the "allies" have been in the past 100 years.


WW1 after promising the tribes of the Ottoman Empire their own countries if they help them in WW1 the tribes helped the allies to beat the empire and what did they get? Well it was broke into countries alright just with European tools in the head. Why? They wanted the resources. Oh and we all know the war was started by the evil Muslims wasnt it?

WW2 once again another European war gets thrown on the middle east. We all know WW2 was started by the evil Muslims invading Europe right?

How about overthrowing the Iranian elected government in 1953 and installing the Shah?

How about backing Sadam Hussein in invading Iran?

How about the first gulf war and the second. Those wars were from the evil Muslims invading Europe and America right?


Sad thing is Im not even Muslim and I understand who the aggressors have been this past century. Non Muslim conflicts that the "allies" started was Vietnam, Korea, Nicaragua, Panama, and much more. Im sorry people like you just dont get it. We are not the peace loving Utopian America you think we are. We are imperialists period. Accept it. But in accepting it you must understand its going to tick a few people off. Once again deal with it.

reply to post by Power_Semi

Listen, I know that I'm not going to be thanked for this before I post it, but the truth of the matter is that a World without having to deal with Pakistan would be like a Person not having to deal with Cancer.

They are the scum of the Earth, never satisfied unless they are fighting or beligerent with someone, I certainly wouldn't weep if they we're destroyed.

I can't say the same for the Indians, hard working, a thirst for knowledge, and trying to fine their place on the World stage.

Which do we lose - the ones who cause 99% of the trouble around the World, or do we turn a blind eye to the truth and just accept it like we have to?

I bet the people in Pakistan would replace the "Pakistan" in your comment to "United States" or "UK" and it would fit just as nicely.

War is nasty, and there are always 2 sides.