Obama Forgery Exposed (Dr. Polarik Official Use)

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
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Isn't the Supreme Court having a hearing regarding his eligibility on 12/5?

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I don't believe anyone about to assume the highest position in our country is above reproach. It would be real easy for Obama to quash all the questions by simply producing a REAL certifiable birth certificate. Ignoring all the accusations by the people he has sworn to serve is an Elitist act and should make everyone question the man they have elected.

That's the part I don't get. It should really be a non issue. All Obama would have to do would be to release the info or allow the State of Hawaii to release the details of his birth. Like for example, which Hospital in Hawaii was he born at? I mean I know what hospital in Southfield, MI I was born at, Obama won't share that info? Seems odd to me. We know where and when McCain was born in detail. Sounds like a pretty easy way to solve this whole issue.

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos

I don't believe anyone about to assume the highest position in our country is above reproach. It would be real easy for Obama to quash all the questions by simply producing a REAL certifiable birth certificate. Ignoring all the accusations by the people he has sworn to serve is an Elitist act and should make everyone question the man they have elected.

It is possible that Obama has been advised to hold back all evidence until or if it makes it to court, when anything he presents to the public can be portrayed as a forgery etc.

So perhaps a legal court proceeding on this matter is the best way to put this to rest once and for all... However the doubts raised may have already done too much damage. It is too bad that so many fail to see what is actually going on here. Hopefully that will change before Obama officially takes office in January. In these times we need to be United, perhaps now more than ever before.

I suppose for now the jury is out, the court of public opinion is the last place this case should be decided.

The potential ramifications of this could do far more damage to this nation at the worst possible time.

Do any of you honestly believe that Obama, his supporters and campaign organizers, legal advisers etc would have all fought so hard to win this election if they thought these issues could bring him down?

Sooner or later the stench of a political agenda will be so strong everyone will know what is going on here.

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
It would be real easy for Obama to quash all the questions by simply producing a REAL certifiable birth certificate. Ignoring all the accusations by the people he has sworn to serve is an Elitist act and should make everyone question the man they have elected.

Agreed. That's all any real American SHOULD do out of sheer duty to the Constitution and those who will turn over in their graves. And frankly I don't care what the rest of the world thinks even if we have to nullify that election, start over, or have the Democrats in Congress vote and appoint another one. Who is irrelevant at this point. He should of produced that certificate the minute any of this came up. I am betting he can't, because I have a hunch Berg is right. You don't go as far as Berg has gotten with this based on whims.

As to this new video, I would assume, BH, even though I shouldn't, that with 4 months of research into the document, that Polarik knows what he's talking about on some of those issues you mentioned. Nope, I have not checked with the State of Hawaii to find out if that is indeed their security scheme. Be my guest, go ahead. Betcha he is right.

BTW, Happy T-DAY to all, gotta run for now.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by TrueAmerican]

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Let me just remind you of one thing, this is on Berg's website, and obviously sanctioned by him. Not that it would make a difference to you, seeing as you're in the Obama camp.

That's not too cool, TA. I support Obama, but it's not like I'm blind...

Here's why it doesn't make a difference to me. I don't think Berg is careful. His suit against Obama was full of assumptions and twisted "facts". THAT'S why he has no credibility with me.

Berg alleged that Obama "lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen and naturalized in Indonesia." I have shown that a US citizen cannot just "lose" their citizenship. They must renounce it and a parent CANNOT renounce for their child. Berg also alleges that Obama "followed" his mother's naturalization and failed to take an oath of allegiance when he turned 18 years old to regain his U.S. citizenship status. You cannot regain your US citizenship by taking an oath. It's nearly impossible to regain US citizenship once you have renounced it.

FURTHER, even if Obama was an Indonesian citizenship at one time (which has not been proven at all), that doesn't not "strike" the fact that he is a natural-born citizen and eligible for the presidency.

Berg's suit is FULL of holes. THAT'S why he has no credibility with me. Not because I'm "in Obama's camp". (a bit of resentment for that comment here.) I'll get over it, though.

Also, since when is reading WND an indication of political persuasion, much less an indication that there is an "agenda" involved other than making sure that Obama really qualifies to be Pres?

WND is not only a far, FAR right-wing site, they are many times not credible and are always bashing Obama. Jerome Corsi writes there. As I said, it doesn't prove anything, but is an indication.

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
Isn't the Supreme Court having a hearing regarding his eligibility on 12/5?

No. The SC is NOT having a hearing. They are going to conference to see if they should even have a hearing. If 4 of the justices vote to hear the case, then a hearing will be set.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
It is possible that Obama has been advised to hold back all evidence until or if it makes it to court, when anything he presents to the public can be portrayed as a forgery etc.

This is absolutely the most likely scenario. His lawyers have most likely advised him to wait for a court to ask for it so that it can be declared "official" and all further suits would be dropped. This is the smartest course of action.

Sooner or later the stench of a political agenda will be so strong everyone will know what is going on here.

I certainly hope so.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
Isn't the Supreme Court having a hearing regarding his eligibility on 12/5?

No. The SC is NOT having a hearing. They are going to conference to see if they should even have a hearing. If 4 of the justices vote to hear the case, then a hearing will be set.

OK, thanks for clarifying that.

But you know, that fact that they are getting together at all for the conference obviously indicates they feel there is some validity to the allegations. Otherwise they wouldn't even bother.

Phil Berg is nothing more than a fraud and charlatan, he has been fined for unethical behavior by a federal judge . . .

Berg Fined $10k for Unethical Behavior!

and here is what Mr. Berg really is . . .

He is a Charlatan!

It's unfortunate that somebody who is an attorney and has some mental problems get's any press or attention. I find it hard to believe that Obama was given a passport to go overseas, is a senator, etc. and that he has not been vetted. In the end, official documents count, according to the State of Hawaii he was born in Hawaii! Below is a good article on "Official Documents" pertaining to Obama's Identify!

Official Documents of Obama's ID!

If it was up to Phil Berg, he could accuse all of us of not being U.S. Citizens with is twisted sick thinking!

These types of threads have no use and just take up space on cyber space, they are tantamount to reading gossip rags!

Let's assume that the court decides to have a hearing, and because of this he is unable to b sworn in. The constitution allows for this. Joe Biden would serve as President until such time as Obama was found to be qualified or disqualified. If he was disqualified, Biden would be the President.

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
But you know, that fact that they are getting together at all for the conference obviously indicates they feel there is some validity to the allegations. Otherwise they wouldn't even bother.

Not necessarily true. The SC meets to conference as a regular thing. They have conference days scheduled several times every month to talk about various suits and decide whether or not each one has merit.

reply to post by Walkswithfish

Lets talk hypothetically. An American gets transferred oversease. He takes his wife along. She delivers a baby overseas. Does it mean that the baby is not American citizen or if the baby grows up, that person cannot be the president of USA. Thousands of American work oversease, I never heard that their kids cannot be American. So why people are dwelling on Mr. Obama's naturalization. Is the government dumb that they cannot address the issue. After all presidency is a very sensitive job. I ask ATS members to stop it once for all and respect the wishes of all those who voted for him.

Originally posted by charlie0
reply to post by Walkswithfish

 

Lets talk hypothetically. An American gets transferred oversease. He takes his wife along. She delivers a baby overseas. Does it mean that the baby is not American citizen or if the baby grows up, that person cannot be the president of USA. Thousands of American work oversease, I never heard that their kids cannot be American. So why people are dwelling on Mr. Obama's naturalization. Is the government dumb that they cannot address the issue. After all presidency is a very sensitive job. I ask ATS members to stop it once for all and respect the wishes of all those who voted for him.

I think there is a big gray area regarding the difference between 'citizen' and 'natural born citizen'.

If you are born in the US, you are a Natural Born citizen of the US.

If you are born in another country and come to the US, you can be 'naturalized' as a citizen, though you can't be POTUS.

This distinction only applies to POTUS though. I think immigrants can serve in any position EXCEPT President. For example, Madeline Albright who served as Sec of State under Clinton could never have served as President because she was born in Czechoslovakia.

That is why we need clarification of exactly where Obama was born. IE: Genuine Birth Certificate.

I always thought that if you were born on a US base somewhere in the world, that automatically made you a US citizen. It does, but not necessarily a 'Natural Born' citizen. That is why the senate had to pass a resolution declaring McCain a Natural Born citizen even though he was born on a US base in Panama.

It seems very confusing and I personally think the SCOTUS should clear this issue up once and for all.

Obama is our president, elected by the majority of Americans. I did not vote for him, however the election is over, he is MY president now, it is time for everyone of us to rally behind him, to support his administration to STOP these insane games aimed at disqualifying him from office.

I won't support what I feel to be a wrong decision simply because the majority of America believes it is the correct one. That's tribalism and it is about the furthest from critical thinking you can get. Decisions made that way are reckless and irresponsible.

reply to post by Walkswithfish


when did the courts decide the elction? im pretty keen on US history but im blanking. talking 2004?

reply to post by TrueAmerican


CNN has handled the actual certificate and it is legitimate. Let is die already.

Originally posted by mel1962
Phil Berg is nothing more than a fraud and charlatan, he has been fined for unethical behavior by a federal judge . . .

Berg Fined $10k for Unethical Behavior!

and here is what Mr. Berg really is . . .

He is a Charlatan!

It's unfortunate that somebody who is an attorney and has some mental problems get's any press or attention.

any proof of his mental problems?

Same blank, different day.

You guys are out of line here.

If what you were saying is true, why can't you guys get it out to the media? Surely, newspaper or talk radio?

I mean, a right-wing talk radio program, even a local city program, would love to have you on to debate with you on the phone.

Trust me, I know from first hand experience I have phoned these programs before they are easy enough to get on.

I think you guys should walk the walk for once in your life

get off the pc, and take what you thinks a smoking gun to the real world, get your message out there, use your brain.

you want something done right, do it yourself.

the courts may settle this, but the media is your best bet.

reply to post by Walkswithfish


i bet largely, they were unaware of the issue at hand. I know many campeign supporters of B.O. and it was never brought up? idk, but they are very full of energy but in my opinion uneducated to the policial system. My friend Logan was very flustered when she saw him, thought he was "so hot" and then campeigned for him. Lucky barry, shes a calender girl.

Read this Thread.

It has alot of information on the subject, as well as dissenting opinions from the folks who won't let the birth cert farce die.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


hackerfactor.com...

Is an interesting read where they debunk these claims and others that its false. They go into some of the video and pictures posted that try and disprove obama.

At this point, who cares anymore? The whole citizenship rule, to me, seems antiquated and xenophobic to me. Why does it matter where a Presidential candidate was born anyway? Does being born in the US somehow mean that you'll have the best intentions of the country in mind; more so than someone who was born elsewhere but has lived here as a legal citizen for a number of years?

Do you believe that a foreigner can be more easily corrupted than someone who was born here?

I think people are making too much of a deal of this. I'll take someone who has the best intentions for the country in mind any day of the week; regardless of where they were born.. So trivial..