India Under Terror Attack! At least ten people killed in Mumbai shootings: TV (now 125 +)

reply to post by Raustin


My wife and I were talking about this yesterday. (She's actually pretty savvy when pressured into talking about something haha)...

It is more of a commentary on the fact they wanted to make a statement. They sent in some of the top dogs. They were ordered to escape, if they could, and some of them did. Quite a few of them did, actually.
This is the start of something larger. I don't know what, but this is something we haven't seen before.
In part, I may agree with you, but I'm more inclined to say this is an element that we haven't seen before that is more highly trained, and therefore, less expendable.

The 'vanishing' is a little strange to me.

[edit on 28-11-2008 by Raustin]

thats because,like every other international hotel all over the world,they have concealed entrances ,pathways and exits so that the staff and the chefs et al can move about freely without being noticed by any of the customers

"But it is coming from there, and it is not being addressed by the powers there that absolutely need to do so. "... You do NOT KNOW that.
^^ In response to daedus.


[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

why still no images from what happened inside the hotels ?

it's hard to believe there are no camera in the hotels attacked or even in cafe leopold

still not a single shot available from these places...

how fast they were in comparison to release those from the station cameras with that main man that is getting all the focus, now being the main witness.

then, how come so many of the others can escape so easily doesn't make sense either, especially since the special forces should have been able to see videos of their entry in the hotel as soon as they got control of the bottom floor in order to identify the "terrorists" (and avoid having had them escaped)

reply to post by ::.mika.::


Yeah, for such a "high class" international hotel, as the other poster above just mentioned, you would expect something in that area.

I had made mention of the possibility of the group having an intimate knowledge of the hotel last night. I specifically mentioned laundry chutes, but apparently "international hotels" have secret passageways


That would make for quite a video. And very telling.

Secret passageways that the POLICE can't get access to, no less.

[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Officials said at least 12 gunmen had been killed and one arrested after the attack that shook the city and the country.

Nice. It sounded to me like there were over 40.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


the way you say "secret passageways" is implying i am mentioning something along the lines of indiana jones,it is a fact that *all* the luxury hotels all over have concealed entry and exit points,take it or leave it,thats upto you

reply to post by xenomorph07


Take or leave this.
The police are pursuing them.
Yes, they have "employees only" doors on each floor, but the police know that as well.

They also have "employees only" elevators.

[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Here are some videos of the Mumbai terror.. Granted they don't show much but they are something.

Slightly graphic material.. (not INSIDE hotel but an attack none the less.)

Supposedly some cell phone footage

Eye witness w/a cell phone.

(*edit this: journalist who snuck in with a camera?)

***RAW footage of the attacks around the city -there IS blood in this clip- (not in hotel however, those videos are hard to come by.)

I really hope I'm not breaking the TOS here but alot of live feed comes through here sometimes so I thought I'd share what I came across.

[edit on 29-11-2008 by Boogley]

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


that goes without saying,since they may have already got in touch with the owners and gotten hold of all the schematics of the building,but you're missing one crucial point here,it wasnt because of the terrorists impeccable knowledge of the hotel that they manage to decieve the police for so long,it was because of the remaining guests inside the hotels,the terrorists wouldnt have spared a thought before spilling any of those inncocent people's blood who were still holed up inside the hotels,this made matters worse for them,because in addition to capturing the terrorist,they had protect the hostages as well and ensure minimal casualty,since they might've booby trapped the place,like in nariman house,one cant exactly go all guns blazing when innocent lives maybe lost in the crossfire


[edit on 29-11-2008 by xenomorph07]

Originally posted by NGC2736
NDTV24/7 has reported that a large number of people at one hotel were "saved" by some South African commandos who were there on a holiday. Hearing the fighting erupting, they took charge of the area they were in, arming civilians with knives.

Nope! This info is incorrect!

This op was conducted purely by the NSG commandos, MARCOS (The elite Marine Commandos of the Navy), and the Army unit stationed at Colaba. The ATS and Mumbai police played a supporting role of establishing a cordon (to prevent escape of the terrorists) around the hotels and Nariman House and were placed under command of the local Army unit.

The ops are now officially over and the local Army unit, some NSG and Mumbai Police have now been tasked to carry out a complete search of the Taj Hotel as part of mopping up ops.

There was absolutely no question of any foreign commandos taking part in the op.

And by the way, not surprisingly, Pakistan has backed away from the proposal to send the chief of Pakistan's notorious intelligence agency, the ISI, that the Indian PM had demaned and agreed to earlier by the Pak PM.

Now some junior spook is being sent instead. See? The Army still rules Pakistan and this so called democracy in Pakistan is a sham. The Army continues to call the shots and the politicians are but puppets on a string as has been the case throughout in Pakistan's history.



[edit on 29-11-2008 by mikesingh]

reply to post by mikesingh


actually that info is partially incorrect,there was a south african commando inside the hotel when it all happened,but he was on a vacation,the moment gunshots were heard,he helped the staff of the hotel to get as many people as one can to safety,his interview was shown on a news channel yesterday,although i do not know if he was the only one or did he have help,because i didnt catch it entirely


[edit on 29-11-2008 by xenomorph07]

reply to post by xenomorph07


Alright, this is my last post of the night and probably in this thread all together. Now that the ordeal is over (thank goodness) I'll wait for more intell.

I understand full well the implications of hostages in a building. All along, for me at least, was how long can the terrorists hole up in the Taj. I'm not going to recap the entire conversation for you, as this thing has been going on now for a very long time and I have been contributing from the beginning.
The Taj Hotel is huge. At first I wasn't sure exactly how large, but I was wondering what their escape plan would be. Most said that they wouldn't escape, that they would die there. I begged to differ. We have reports of them vanishing. I don't know how they did it, but I speculated from the beginning it would be through the laundry chutes, as the police have schematics for service routes and probably have them covered...

At any rate, I need to get to sleep. I guess HOPEFULLY we'll find out more in the morning.

reply to post by xenomorph07


Yes. This part is correct in that many people went about the task of helping others get to safety. Even a couple of young staff members of the hotel, unmindful of the firing, stood their ground in the Taj Cafe and helped many foreigners to escape. Gutsy guys who deserve to be awarded!

Cheers!

reply to post by mikesingh


Mike: While I respect your opinions and your posts, I have to take exception.
I asked you last night where you got your "interrogation reports" with no avail.
After reading what has "come to light" today, I realize that your conclusions were based on the reports gained from the terrorist himself. Nothing more. Like I said a few minutes ago, the claims of one man simply does not settle an international dispute. There are too many variables.
For instance, why does this man of the Fedayein movement go contrary to everything they have done in the past and give himself up only to give information that would satisfy western aspirations in the region? Why are we receiving reports contrary to these claims? AND A BUNCH OF THEM?
If you could answer these questions, it would settle my mind. For now, I'm off to bed. If not, I guess we still have questions.

PS. Your comments last night, spoken as if the gospel truth, didn't account for 18 of the terrorists. I asked you about this also, to no avail. Furthermore, the accounts we are reading of today don't even match what *I* (although I am just a lowly military veteran) consider to be an accurate estimate of total troop-strength. And merely half of what you stated factually... I say nay.


[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

I don't understand why just because somebody knows the area they must be a local. If I was going to do a huge operation and I was to be on the team that went to say the taj hotel. I guarantee you that I would be getting every bit of information about the hotel as possible before going in. I would memorize floor plans and most nice hotels even have 3d views these days. I personally can't make the connection that its local people based just with that information, that just backs up the knowledge these were highly trained terrorists.

I also get the theory's about how this could cause a war with Pakistan( I would be willing to be there is a war over the next year with them), what I don't get is why everything that happens needs to be a false flag. Why isn't is plausible to say that a terrorist groups main goal was to spread fear and harm and they accomplished it. Everything is not just a false flag for something else, sure something else will probably come from this and in conjunction but it may not be a diabolical as people are trying to make it.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and smells like a duck, it's probably just a duck and not Osama/boogiemen.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by xenomorph07

 

Alright, this is my last post of the night and probably in this thread all together. Now that the ordeal is over (thank goodness) I'll wait for more intell.

I understand full well the implications of hostages in a building. All along, for me at least, was how long can the terrorists hole up in the Taj. I'm not going to recap the entire conversation for you, as this thing has been going on now for a very long time and I have been contributing from the beginning.
The Taj Hotel is huge. At first I wasn't sure exactly how large, but I was wondering what their escape plan would be. Most said that they wouldn't escape, that they would die there. I begged to differ. We have reports of them vanishing. I don't know how they did it, but I speculated from the beginning it would be through the laundry chutes, as the police have schematics for service routes and probably have them covered...

At any rate, I need to get to sleep. I guess HOPEFULLY we'll find out more in the morning.

Live to fight another day as the saying goes. The question is what these people who escape are going to do. Will they wreck more havoc or will they go back to where they come from(where ever it is)? Bear in mind the the commander of these guys is still in the dark.

got some infos from times of india (paper) about 2 other seniors killed:

pretty much the same profile as karkare apparently : clean, uncorrupted, have made paper headlines numerous time for hero-like actions, dared to sue big names for their crimes regardless of their cast/religions/rank in society.

it is way too weird that out of the very very few people from police/ats/army killed we find these 3.

the very 3 from the very top the most inclined to speak truth to media, and moreover to seek it. as they were widely known for.

beside, BJP has already started its election campaign in the most disgusting manner : fear factor. obviously.

rotten smell is emanating from every details of this whole event.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by mikesingh

 

Mike: While I respect your opinions and your posts, I have to take exception.
I asked you last night where you got your "interrogation reports" with no avail.

Why do you want to know? If it sounds credible then take it. Otherwise just leave it!!

After reading what has "come to light" today, I realize that your conclusions were based on the reports gained from the terrorist himself.

That is correct!

The claims of one man simply does not settle an international dispute. There are too many variables.

Partially correct. He has divulged this info during interrogation by intelligence sleuths. Could be wrong. But all of what he’s said has been corroborated by other agencies like the coast guard, Navy and the other intelligence inputs of the last one year. Now this turkey has no access to the info that the intelligence agencies have, but he corroborates what info they already had. Unfortunately, no action was taken by the authorities on this info which was available a few months ago where hundreds of lives could have been saved!

For instance, why does this man of the Fedayein movement go contrary to everything they have done in the past and give himself up only to give information that would satisfy western aspirations in the region?

Contrary to everything? This isn’t understood. He did not give himself up, for Chrissake! He was apprehended/captured!

Your comments last night, spoken as if the gospel truth, didn't account for 18 of the terrorists. I asked you about this also, to no avail.

You must remember that in any organization, you have to have a ‘support group’ to help you with the logistics. So did the terrorists. Therefore, all of them did not take part directly. There were probably 15 that were the strike group.

If you could answer these questions, it would settle my mind. For now, I'm off to bed. If not, I guess we still have questions.

I hope I’ve given some clarity! But remember, this isn’t the end of the story!! There’s a lot of stuff that would come out after detailed interrogation. All this info was got from the initial interrogation only. Let’s see how the story unfolds!

Cheers!

That is provided that they dont strike again. Since you mentioned that there is a 'support group', I am sure that they are regrouping or something. This could be the "something larger" element.

God knows what will happen next?